Jim, Yes I would like their information if anyone has it. Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: JF<mailto:gen9@cox.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth de VERNON Amanda, The individuals you have no more information on, did you want any of their information or their parents? This is an excellent forum in which to exchange information and sources. What one of us might not have, others might. Just a thought. Jim Amanda McCormick wrote: >Bob, >Here is the information:... > >...was Margaret SWINFIN > >(I have no info on her birth or death). >(I have no info on John TALBOT's parents) >(I do not have any info on James BUTLER's parents) >(I have no info on William de BEAUCHAMP's parents) >(I have no info on Elizabeth de BOHUN's parents) >(I have no info on Richard FITZALAN's parents) > > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

I am definitely a relative, but as to how close, I'll have to do a bit of research. Back to you on this in a couple of days. Chris Priestlybride <priestlybride@ineva.com> wrote: My mom was much younger than her and Blanche took her under wing. I was just wondering if you were a relative, I would like to know. My mom has been upset for years over her death. At the end, some people moved in with her, were abusive, and were drugging her and had her sign all her properties over to them. Blance had an extensive geneological/historical library and had originally willed it to my mom. My mom tried to contact Blanche's brother in FL at the time but they wouldn't believe anything was wrong. Anyway, I was just wondering. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > I don't know of Blanche Ogle specifically, but if she was from Maryland she would be a relative. > > Priestlybride wrote:My mom was close friends with a Blanche Ogle when they were members of the > DAR in MD. Blanche probably passed on around 30 years ago. She must have > been some relative...do you know of her? > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Jay Becker" > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:22 PM > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > 8 William OGLE > > 9 Henry Ogle > > 10 Luke Ogle > > 11 Luke Ogle > > 12 Luke Ogle > > 13 Luke Ogle > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > 16 John Ogle > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > 18 John Ogle > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > 20 James Ogle > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > 5 John Neville > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > 5 Henry Percy > > 6 Henry Percy > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > Your Cousin, > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Amanda, The individuals you have no more information on, did you want any of their information or their parents? This is an excellent forum in which to exchange information and sources. What one of us might not have, others might. Just a thought. Jim Amanda McCormick wrote: >Bob, >Here is the information:... > >...was Margaret SWINFIN > >(I have no info on her birth or death). >(I have no info on John TALBOT's parents) >(I do not have any info on James BUTLER's parents) >(I have no info on William de BEAUCHAMP's parents) >(I have no info on Elizabeth de BOHUN's parents) >(I have no info on Richard FITZALAN's parents) > > > >

Here is one of my sources for the Rev. John HOWSE: Sources: 1.. Title: Immigrant Ancestors: A List of 2500 Immigrants to America before 1750 Author: Frederick Adams Virkus Publication: Excerpted and reprinted from The Compendium of American Genealogy, Volume VII, Chicago 1942, Reprinted: Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc., Baltimore 1963, 1972, 1976, 1978, 1980, 19086, 1998, Copyright © 1942, Copyright © renewed 1970, Library of Congress card catalog numbert64-1935, ISBN 0-8063-0513-4 2.. Title: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Publication: http://www.familysearch.org

I have no written documentaion. All of my information comes from my family member's that are still living. Most of it has come from my grandmother who has now passed. I will try to find something for you. Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Banks<mailto:geb@gordonbanks.com> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I also am descended from John Howse, through his daughter Hannah who married John Lothropp. However, I was not aware that a proven line for John Howse to the Plantagenets exists. It is not listed in any of my references such as Weis, Gary Boyd Roberts, etc. Could you please provide some documentation on the linkages between John House and Anne Talbot? Thanks. On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 20:51, Amanda McCormick wrote: > I might as well list my Plantagenet descent. It is as follows: > > Geoffrey PLANTAGENET 28th great-grandfather > Henry II 27th great-grandfather > John LACKLAND 26th great-grandfather > Henry III, King of England 25th great-grandfather > Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET 24th great-granfather > Henry PLANTAGENET, 3rd Earl of Leicester 23rd great-grandfather > Eleanor de LANCASTER 22nd great-grandmother > Richard FITZALAN 21st great-grandfather > Joan FITZALAN 20th great-grandmother > Joan de BEAUCHAMP 19th great-grandmother > Elizabeth BUTLER 18th great-grandmother > Anne TALBOT 17th great-grandmother > Elizabeth VERNON 16th great-grandmother > Margery CORBETT 15th great-grandmother > Thomas HOWSE 14th great-grandfather > John HOWSE 13th great-grandfather > Jemimah HOWSE 12th great-grandmother > Abigail LINNELL 11th great-grandmother > Johnathan LOMBARD 10th great-grandfather > Alice LOMBARD 9th great-grandmother > Jacob NEWCOMB 8th great-grandfather > Bethel NEWCOMB 7th great-grandfather > Jacob NEWCOMB 6th great-grandfather > Levi NEWCOMB 5th great-grandfather > William E. NEWCOMB 4th great-grandfather > Charles LeRoy NEWCOMB 3rd great-grandfather > Carrie NEWCOMB great-great-grandmother > Arthur James MCINTOSH great-grandfather > Darlene Mae MCINTOSH grandmother > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JF<mailto:gen9@cox.net<mailto:gen9@cox.net>> > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > Amanda > > Amanda McCormick wrote: > > >Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. > > > He was literate because, as fourth son he had been destined for the > church. Beauclerc meant good scholar. Henry's next older brother Robert > had already died in 1081 and his eldest brother, Robert III, by > agreement with William II 'Rufus' was to succeed him as King of England > on his death. Unfortunately for Robert he was away on Crusade when > William died. Henry saw his chance and claimed the throne before his > brother Robert could get back and claim it himself. Besides being > literate in Latin and French, Henry was the first Norman ruler of > England to be fluent in English. > > Jim > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>> > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Bob, Here is the information: Elizabeth de VERNON's parents were Sir Henry VERNON b. 1445 and d. 13 April 1515. Her mother was Anne TALBOT d. 17 May 1494. Sir Henry VERNON's parents were William de VERNON b. abt 1421 and d. 31 July 1467. His mother was Margaret SWINFIN (I have no info on her birth or death). Anne TALBOT's parents were John TALBOT III, Earl of Strewbury b. 12 December 1413 and d. 10 July 1460. Her mother was Elizabeth BUTLER b. 1420 and d. 8 September 1473. (I have no info on John TALBOT's parents) Elizabeth BUTLER's parents were James "the White Earl" BUTLER IV, Earl of Ormond b. 1390/1392 d. 23 August 1452. Her mother was Joan (Elizabeth) de BEAUCHAMP b. abt 1400 and d. 4 August 1430. (I do not have any info on James BUTLER's parents) Joan (Elizabeth) de BEAUCHAMP's parents were William de BEAUCHAMP Baron Abergavenny b. Aft 1344 and d. 8 May 1411. Her mother was Joan FITZALAN b. 1375 and d. 14 November 1435. (I have no info on William de BEAUCHAMP's parents) Joan FITZALAN's parents were Richard FITZALAN III, Earl of Arundell b. 1346 and died 21 September 1397. Her mother was Elizabeth de BOHUN B. 1635/1359 and d. 3 April 1385. (I have no info on Elizabeth de BOHUN's parents) Richard FITZALAN III's parents were Richard FITZALAN d. 24 Jan 1376. His mother was Eleanor de LANCASTER (Plantagenet) b. 1311 and d. 11 January 1372. (I have no info on Richard FITZALAN's parents) Eleanor de LANCASTER's parents were Henry PLANTAGENET, Earl of Lancaster b. 1281 and d. 22 September 1345. Her mother was Maud de CHAWORTH b. 1282 and d. 19 Feb 1316/1317. Maud de CHAWORTH's parents were Sir Patric de CHAWORTH II, Lord Kidwillyin b. 1250 and d. 7 Jul 1283. Her mother was Isabella de BEAUCHAMP b. Abt 1266 and d. Bef 30 May 1306. Henry PLANTAGENET's parents were Edmund Crouchback Earl Leicester PLANTAGENET b. 16 Jan 1244/1245 and d. 5 Jun 1296. His mother was Blanche CAPET DE ARTOIS b. abt 1248 and d. 2 May 1302. Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET's parents were Henry III PLANTAGENET, King of England b. 1 Oct 1207 and d. 16 Nov 1272. His mother was Eleanor de Provence BERENGER b. 1222 and d. 24 Jun 1291. I don't think I need to go any further. I hope this helps. Amanda Boise, Idaho

I also am descended from John Howse, through his daughter Hannah who married John Lothropp. However, I was not aware that a proven line for John Howse to the Plantagenets exists. It is not listed in any of my references such as Weis, Gary Boyd Roberts, etc. Could you please provide some documentation on the linkages between John House and Anne Talbot? Thanks. On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 20:51, Amanda McCormick wrote: > I might as well list my Plantagenet descent. It is as follows: > > Geoffrey PLANTAGENET 28th great-grandfather > Henry II 27th great-grandfather > John LACKLAND 26th great-grandfather > Henry III, King of England 25th great-grandfather > Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET 24th great-granfather > Henry PLANTAGENET, 3rd Earl of Leicester 23rd great-grandfather > Eleanor de LANCASTER 22nd great-grandmother > Richard FITZALAN 21st great-grandfather > Joan FITZALAN 20th great-grandmother > Joan de BEAUCHAMP 19th great-grandmother > Elizabeth BUTLER 18th great-grandmother > Anne TALBOT 17th great-grandmother > Elizabeth VERNON 16th great-grandmother > Margery CORBETT 15th great-grandmother > Thomas HOWSE 14th great-grandfather > John HOWSE 13th great-grandfather > Jemimah HOWSE 12th great-grandmother > Abigail LINNELL 11th great-grandmother > Johnathan LOMBARD 10th great-grandfather > Alice LOMBARD 9th great-grandmother > Jacob NEWCOMB 8th great-grandfather > Bethel NEWCOMB 7th great-grandfather > Jacob NEWCOMB 6th great-grandfather > Levi NEWCOMB 5th great-grandfather > William E. NEWCOMB 4th great-grandfather > Charles LeRoy NEWCOMB 3rd great-grandfather > Carrie NEWCOMB great-great-grandmother > Arthur James MCINTOSH great-grandfather > Darlene Mae MCINTOSH grandmother > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JF<mailto:gen9@cox.net> > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > Amanda > > Amanda McCormick wrote: > > >Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. > > > He was literate because, as fourth son he had been destined for the > church. Beauclerc meant good scholar. Henry's next older brother Robert > had already died in 1081 and his eldest brother, Robert III, by > agreement with William II 'Rufus' was to succeed him as King of England > on his death. Unfortunately for Robert he was away on Crusade when > William died. Henry saw his chance and claimed the throne before his > brother Robert could get back and claim it himself. Besides being > literate in Latin and French, Henry was the first Norman ruler of > England to be fluent in English. > > Jim > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237> > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Barbara, Barbara wrote: >A direct quote from www.royal.gov.uk: They call her Mathilda, daughter of >Count Baldwin V of Flanders. I'm inclined to take their word for it. >"From 1047 onwards, William (I the Conqueror) successfully dealt with >rebellion inside Normandy involving his kinsmen and threats from >neighbouring nobles, including attempted invasions by his former ally King >Henry I of France in 1054 (the French forces were defeated at the Battle of >Mortemer) and 1057. William's military successes and reputation helped him >to negotiate his marriage to Mathilda, daughter of Count Baldwin V of >Flanders. At the time of his invasion of England, William was a very >experienced and ruthless military commander, ruler and administrator who had >unified Normandy and inspired fear and respect outside his duchy." > If I can add a couple of things regarding the Duchess; Maud and Matilda are variations of the same name. Matilda is the Norman form of the Saxon name Maud, while the Latin spelling Mathildis was often used in official documents and by chroniclers. If only one form of her name were acceptable, one could argue for Mathildis since this is the form used in the earliest documents. It often depends on which source or sources were used as to what the name spelling will be. For example, Europäische Stammtafeln, Band II, Tafel 5 spells her name "Mathilde", but that is not unusual when you consider this work is in German, no doubt a translation of the Latin Mathildis into German. Another consideration is that the period after the Norman Invasion saw Normans and Saxons often using interchangeable spellings for the same or similar names. Many native English used Norman sounding names to better assimilate into the new Norman-dominated society. Maud as Queen sounds more English than Matilda, and so may have been used to help obscure the fact England was being ruled by foreigner invaders. Matilda (Maud, Mathildis) was the only daughter of Baldwin V 'Insulanus,' Count of Flanders and his wife Adelaide (Adellis/Aelide) of France (dau. of Robert II 'the Pious,' King of France). Jim

My mom was much younger than her and Blanche took her under wing. I was just wondering if you were a relative, I would like to know. My mom has been upset for years over her death. At the end, some people moved in with her, were abusive, and were drugging her and had her sign all her properties over to them. Blance had an extensive geneological/historical library and had originally willed it to my mom. My mom tried to contact Blanche's brother in FL at the time but they wouldn't believe anything was wrong. Anyway, I was just wondering. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > I don't know of Blanche Ogle specifically, but if she was from Maryland she would be a relative. > > Priestlybride <priestlybride@ineva.com> wrote:My mom was close friends with a Blanche Ogle when they were members of the > DAR in MD. Blanche probably passed on around 30 years ago. She must have > been some relative...do you know of her? > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Jay Becker" > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:22 PM > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > 8 William OGLE > > 9 Henry Ogle > > 10 Luke Ogle > > 11 Luke Ogle > > 12 Luke Ogle > > 13 Luke Ogle > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > 16 John Ogle > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > 18 John Ogle > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > 20 James Ogle > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > 5 John Neville > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > 5 Henry Percy > > 6 Henry Percy > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > Your Cousin, > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I might as well list my Plantagenet descent. It is as follows: Geoffrey PLANTAGENET 28th great-grandfather Henry II 27th great-grandfather John LACKLAND 26th great-grandfather Henry III, King of England 25th great-grandfather Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET 24th great-granfather Henry PLANTAGENET, 3rd Earl of Leicester 23rd great-grandfather Eleanor de LANCASTER 22nd great-grandmother Richard FITZALAN 21st great-grandfather Joan FITZALAN 20th great-grandmother Joan de BEAUCHAMP 19th great-grandmother Elizabeth BUTLER 18th great-grandmother Anne TALBOT 17th great-grandmother Elizabeth VERNON 16th great-grandmother Margery CORBETT 15th great-grandmother Thomas HOWSE 14th great-grandfather John HOWSE 13th great-grandfather Jemimah HOWSE 12th great-grandmother Abigail LINNELL 11th great-grandmother Johnathan LOMBARD 10th great-grandfather Alice LOMBARD 9th great-grandmother Jacob NEWCOMB 8th great-grandfather Bethel NEWCOMB 7th great-grandfather Jacob NEWCOMB 6th great-grandfather Levi NEWCOMB 5th great-grandfather William E. NEWCOMB 4th great-grandfather Charles LeRoy NEWCOMB 3rd great-grandfather Carrie NEWCOMB great-great-grandmother Arthur James MCINTOSH great-grandfather Darlene Mae MCINTOSH grandmother ----- Original Message ----- From: JF<mailto:gen9@cox.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Amanda Amanda McCormick wrote: >Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. > He was literate because, as fourth son he had been destined for the church. Beauclerc meant good scholar. Henry's next older brother Robert had already died in 1081 and his eldest brother, Robert III, by agreement with William II 'Rufus' was to succeed him as King of England on his death. Unfortunately for Robert he was away on Crusade when William died. Henry saw his chance and claimed the throne before his brother Robert could get back and claim it himself. Besides being literate in Latin and French, Henry was the first Norman ruler of England to be fluent in English. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Here's an interesting page on Henry I Beauclerc http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page54.asp Barbara -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Amanda Amanda McCormick wrote: >Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. > He was literate because, as fourth son he had been destined for the church. Beauclerc meant good scholar. Henry's next older brother Robert had already died in 1081 and his eldest brother, Robert III, by agreement with William II 'Rufus' was to succeed him as King of England on his death. Unfortunately for Robert he was away on Crusade when William died. Henry saw his chance and claimed the throne before his brother Robert could get back and claim it himself. Besides being literate in Latin and French, Henry was the first Norman ruler of England to be fluent in English. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

A direct quote from www.royal.gov.uk: They call her Mathilda, daughter of Count Baldwin V of Flanders. I'm inclined to take their word for it. "From 1047 onwards, William (I the Conqueror) successfully dealt with rebellion inside Normandy involving his kinsmen and threats from neighbouring nobles, including attempted invasions by his former ally King Henry I of France in 1054 (the French forces were defeated at the Battle of Mortemer) and 1057. William's military successes and reputation helped him to negotiate his marriage to Mathilda, daughter of Count Baldwin V of Flanders. At the time of his invasion of England, William was a very experienced and ruthless military commander, ruler and administrator who had unified Normandy and inspired fear and respect outside his duchy." -----Original Message----- From: Amanda McCormick [mailto:McCormackNnp@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:51 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: Le Bateman<mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Who was the father of Henry I "Beaucleric". Was it William Rufus. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net<mailto:ladybbug@earthlink.net>> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDAN TS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I already have a correction - Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early - See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s - invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www. ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www. ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I don't know of Blanche Ogle specifically, but if she was from Maryland she would be a relative. Priestlybride <priestlybride@ineva.com> wrote:My mom was close friends with a Blanche Ogle when they were members of the DAR in MD. Blanche probably passed on around 30 years ago. She must have been some relative...do you know of her? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" To: Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > 8 William OGLE > 9 Henry Ogle > 10 Luke Ogle > 11 Luke Ogle > 12 Luke Ogle > 13 Luke Ogle > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > 15 Capt. John Ogle > 16 John Ogle > 17 Thomas Ogle > 18 John Ogle > 19 Thomas Ogle > 20 James Ogle > 21 Anderson John Ogle > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > 1 Edward III > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > 5 John Neville > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > 7 William Gascoigne II > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > 1 Edward III > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > 5 Henry Percy > 6 Henry Percy > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > 24 Christopher Becker > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > Your Cousin, > Chris Becker > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th

Was Henry Beauclerc related to Geoffrey Plantagnet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Who was the father of Henry I "Beaucleric". Was it William Rufus. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I already have a correction - Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early - See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s - invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Le, Henry I was Geoffrey V's son in law, also his 6th cousin once removed. Jim Le Bateman wrote: >Was Henry Beauclerc related to Geoffrey Plantagnet? > > >

For what it is worth, this is one of my lines: GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND EDWARD II OF ENGLAND Edward III, King of England and France=Phillippa of Hainault John Plantagenet of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, K.G.=Katherine Roelt of Hainault Joan Beaufort (Plantagenet)=Sir Ralph Nevill, 1st Earl of Westmoreland, K.G. Sir Edward Neville, 3rd Baron Bergavenny, K.G.=Elizabeth Beauchamp of Hanley Sir George Neville, 4th Baron Bergavenny=Margaret Fenne of Soulton Burdeleys Sir George Neville, 5th Baron Bergavenny, K.G., P.C.=Mary Stafford of Monmouth Sir Henry Neville, 6th Baron Bergavenny=Frances Manners Baroness le Despencer Mary Neville, Baroness le Despencer=Sir Thomas Fane, Knt., of Badsell Sir Francis Fane, 1st (Fane) Earl of Westmoreland=Mary Mildmay of Apethorpe Elizabeth Cope neé Fane, widow of Sir John Cope=Col. William Cope of Icombe Elizabeth Whitney neé Cope, widow of Thomas Whitney=Thomas Geers, Esq., of the Marsh Elizabeth Geers of Icombe=William Gregory, Esq., of How Caple Elizabeth Gregory of How Caple=John Nourse, Esq., of Weston-under-Penyard James Nourse, Esq., of Weston-under-Penyard=Sarah Foauce of London Gabriel Nourse (1770-1839), married Ann Doudle, and had issue. Ann Nourse married Joseph B. Austin Ezra Austin married Anne Stouffer Minnie Kathryn Austin married John Charles Rowland Frank Wilbur Rowland married Anna Beatrice Airey My Grand parents Ken

Le, Henry I Beauclerc, b. abt. September 1068, was the 10th child of William I the Conqueror, King of England, And Matilda of Flanders whom he married in 1053 -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:26 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Who was the father of Henry I "Beaucleric". Was it William Rufus. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I already have a correction - Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early - See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s - invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My mom was close friends with a Blanche Ogle when they were members of the DAR in MD. Blanche probably passed on around 30 years ago. She must have been some relative...do you know of her? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > 8 William OGLE > 9 Henry Ogle > 10 Luke Ogle > 11 Luke Ogle > 12 Luke Ogle > 13 Luke Ogle > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > 15 Capt. John Ogle > 16 John Ogle > 17 Thomas Ogle > 18 John Ogle > 19 Thomas Ogle > 20 James Ogle > 21 Anderson John Ogle > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > 1 Edward III > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > 5 John Neville > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > 7 William Gascoigne II > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > 1 Edward III > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > 5 Henry Percy > 6 Henry Percy > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > 24 Christopher Becker > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > Your Cousin, > Chris Becker > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: Le Bateman<mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Who was the father of Henry I "Beaucleric". Was it William Rufus. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net<mailto:ladybbug@earthlink.net>> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I already have a correction - Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early - See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s - invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Amanda Amanda McCormick wrote: >Henry I was the son of William I and Maud of Flanders. He was called Beauclerc because he was literate. > He was literate because, as fourth son he had been destined for the church. Beauclerc meant good scholar. Henry's next older brother Robert had already died in 1081 and his eldest brother, Robert III, by agreement with William II 'Rufus' was to succeed him as King of England on his death. Unfortunately for Robert he was away on Crusade when William died. Henry saw his chance and claimed the throne before his brother Robert could get back and claim it himself. Besides being literate in Latin and French, Henry was the first Norman ruler of England to be fluent in English. Jim