Grace, Finding information on any Irish family is difficult at best. You might look into finding a copy of Lodge's Peerage of Ireland, (1764, four volumes). It's not the easiest to find, but if you can't find a print copy it is available on Microfiche. As for O'Hart's, it's reputation is far less than reliable. The Irish Pedigrees you ordered should be used with caution, if at all, and only use information that can be verified by other (reputable) sources. Jim Grace Bliss Smith wrote: >Everyone, > >I am having a devil of a time finding information about some old >Norman-Anglo-Irish families. > >I have ordered Irish Pedigrees: The Origin and the Stem of the Irish Nation > > >from NEHGS. Would this book have enough information or should I also get >THE IRISH AND ANGLO-IRISH LANDED GENTRY, When Cromwell Came to Ireland; or, >A Supplement to Irish Pedigrees. > >Are there other books you might recommend? >

Bubba, Jim, I started playing with my geneology last year. To give myself a start, I have used what others have already done. This post starts with my colonial ancester, Giles Brent. The other day I sent Bubba stuff on Thomas Grey because I had recognized the name from my geneology. But, mine seems to be a different one. I highlighted him in red below, with father John Grey and wife Cecily Bonville. Do you think this is correct here? Thanks, Wendy /Sir Robert de Brent b: ABT 1250 d: 1309 => /Sir Robert de Brent b: ABT 1280 | \Isabella Montacute b: ABT 1255 d: AFT 1308 => /Sir Robert de Brent b: ABT 1310 d: 1357 | | /Sir Adam de la Ford b: ABT 1206 | \Claricia de la Ford b: ABT 1285 /Sir John Brent b: ABT 1340 | | /Hamon Deneband b: ABT 1282 => | | /William Deneband b: ABT 1295 | \Elizabeth Deneband b: ABT 1315 | \Agnes /Sir John Brent b: ABT 1367 | | /John le Eyre b: ABT 1315 | \Joan le Eyre b: ABT 1345 /Sir Robert Brent b: ABT 1440 d: 1508 | | /Sir John Beauchamp | \Ida Beauchamp b: ABT 1371 /Robert Brent b: ABT 1480 d: 1531 | | /Sir John Mallet b: ABT 1258 d: 1340 => | | /Sir Baldwin Mallet b: ABT 1284 | | | \Sybil de St. Clare b: ABT 1262 => | | /Sir John Mallet b: ABT 1312 | | | | /Sir Symon Raleigh b: ABT 1269 => | | | \Howise Raleigh b: ABT 1286 | | | \Joan b: ABT 1256 | | /Sir Baldwin Mallet b: ABT 1344 | | | \Eliz Kingston b: ABT 1316 | | /Hugh Malet b: ABT 1388 d: ABT 1465 | | | | /Richard Lyffe b: ABT 1320 | | | \Amicia Lyffe b: ABT 1350 | \Margery Malet b: ABT 1440 | | /John Ronyon b: ABT 1362 | \Joan Ronyon b: ABT 1392 /Sir William Brent b: ABT 1503 d: 1595 | | /George Colchester | \Margery Colchester b: ABT 1480 /Richard Brent b: ABT 1547 d: 1578 | \Elizabeth Worth b: 1510 /Richard Brent , Lord of Admingto and Stoke b: ABT 1578 d: 1 May 1652 | | /Thomas Hugford | | /John Hugford | | /John Hunggeford b: ABT 1517 | | | \ Charde b: ABT 1480 | \Mary Hungerford b: ABT 1547 | | /John Hennage | \Katherina Hennage b: ABT 1514 | \Anne Cope b: ABT 1480 Giles Brent | /Edward Reade b: ABT 1470 | /Sir Peter Reed b: ABT 1518 d: 29 Dec 1568 | | | /Sir Humphrey Stanley b: ABT 1445 | | \Isiod Stanley b: ABT 1475 | /Giles Reed , Lord of Tusburie b: ABT 1550 | | | /Sir Thomas Bleugrehasset | | \Anne Bleagrehasset b: ABT 1520 \Elizabeth Reed b: ABT 1578 | /William Greville b: ABT 1310 | /Lodowick Greville b: ABT 1340 | | \Joan Thornbury b: ABT 1310 | /William Greville b: ABT 1380 | | | /Robert Arden b: ABT 1275 => | | | /Giles Arden b: ABT 1310 | | \Margaret Arden b: ABT 1340 | | \Johanna Trillow b: ABT 1310 | /Ralph Greville b: ABT 1410 | | \Frances Ane | /John Greville b: ABT 1440 | | | /Thomas Poytz | | \Margaret Poyntz | /Sir Edward Greville b: ABT 1475 | | | /Humphrey Foster | | | /Sir Humphrey Foster d: 1500 | | | | | /Sir Ralph Stonore d: 1395 | | | | | /Thomas Stonore | | | | | | | /James Butler , 2nd Earl of Ormonde b: 4 Oct 1331 d: 1382 => | | | | | | \Eleanor Butler | | | | | | \Elizabeth (Anne) Darcy d: 24 Mar 1389/1390 => | | | | \Alice Stoner | | | | | /Sir John Kirkley | | | | \Alice Kirkley | | \Jane Foster | | | /Sir Stephen Popham | | \Alice Popham | | \Margaret Reed | /Sir Fulk Greville b: ABT 1520 d: 10 Nov 1559 | | | /John Denton b: ABT 1345 | | | /Thomas Denton b: ABT 1375 | | | | \Johanne de la Launde b: ABT 1345 | | | /Thomas Denton b: ABT 1405 | | | | | /William Baldington b: ABT 1345 | | | | \Agnes Baldington b: ABT 1375 | | | /John Dinton b: ABT 1445 | | | | \Alison Dauncey b: ABT 1405 | | \Anne Dinton b: ABT 1475 | | \Isabel Browne b: ABT 1445 \Katherine Greville b: ABT 1550 | /Robert , 4th Lord Willoughby | /Thomas Willoughby | /John Willoughby b: ABT 1400 | | | /Ralph de Neville , 2nd Baron of Raby b: ABT 1291 d: 5 Aug 1367 => | | | /Sir John de Neville , 3rd Lord Neville of Raby b: ABT 1331 d: 17 Oct 1388 | | | | \Alice de Audley b: 1300 d: 13 Jan 1374/1375 => | | \Elizabeth Nevill | | | /William , Lord Latimer | | \Elizabeth Latimer | /Sir Robert Willoughby b: ABT 1425 | | \Joan Welby | /Robert Willoughby b: ABT 1450 | | \Blanche Champernoun b: ABT 1425 | /Edward Willoughby b: ABT 1495 | | | /Reginald de Gray b: 1322 d: 28 Jul 1388 => | | | /Reynold de Grey d: 18 Oct 1440 | | | | \Alianore le Strange b: ABT 1328 => | | | /Sir Edward Grey b: 1415 d: 18 Dec 1457 | | | | | /William de Astley b: ABT 1340 => | | | | \Joan de Astley | | | | \Joan Willoughby | | | /Sir John Grey b: 1432 d: 17 Feb 1460 | | | | | /William Ferrers, 5th Baron Ferrers of Groby d: 18 May 1445 => | | | | | /Henry Ferrers d: 1394 | | | | | | \Philippa de Clifford => | | | | \Elizabeth Ferrers b: ABT 1418 d: 1482/1483 | | | | | /Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk b: 22 Mar 1365/1366 d: 22 Sep 1399 => | | | | \Isabel de Mowbray d: 27 Sep 1452 | | | | \Elizabeth fitz Alan b: ABT 1374 d: 8 Jul 1425 => | | | /Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset b: 1455 d: 20 Sep 1501 | | | | | /Richard Woodville b: ABT 1365 d: ABT 1434 => | | | | | /Sir Richard Woodville b: 1381 d: AFT 29 Nov 1441 | | | | | | \Elizabeth Lyons => | | | | | /Richard Wydeville, 1st Earl Rivers b: ABT 1412 d: 1469 | | | | | | | /John (Bedelsgate) Bodulgate | | | | | | \Elizabeth or Mary Bodulgate b: ABT 1390 d: AFT 17 Jul 1448 | | | | | | \Mary Beauchamp => | | | | \Elizabeth Woodville b: ABT 1437 d: 7 Jun 1492 | | | | | /Jean de Luxemburg d: 1397 => | | | | | /Pierre de Luxembourg Count of St. Pol b: 1390 d: 31 Aug 1433 | | | | | | \Marguerite d'Enghien => | | | | \Jacquelin de Luxenburg b: 1415 d: 30 May 1472 | | | | | /Francois de Baux , Duke d'Andria d: 1404 => | | | | \Marguerite de Baux b: 1394 d: 1469 | | | | \Justine\Sueva des Ursins => | | \Dorothy Grey b: ABT 1465 | | | /William Bonville b: ABT 1423 d: 31 Dec 1460 | | | /William Bonville b: 1442 d: 31 Dec 1460 | | | | | /Sir William Harrington | | | | \Elizabeth Harrington b: ABT 1423 d: BEF 13 Mar 1458 | | | | | /Hugh de Courtenay , 10th Earl of Devon b: 12 Jul 1303 d: 2 May 1377 => | | | | \Elizabeth Courtney b: ABT 1333 d: 7 Aug 1395 | | | | \Margaret de Bohun b: 3 Apr 1311 d: 16 Dec 1391 => | | \Cecily Bonville b: 1461 d: 12 May 1529 | | | /Sir John de Neville , 3rd Lord Neville of Raby b: ABT 1331 d: 17 Oct 1388 => | | | /Ralph de Neville , 1st Earl of Westmoreland b: 1364 d: 1 Oct 1425 | | | | \Maud de Percy b: 1345 d: BEF 18 Feb 1378/1379 => | | | /Richard de Neville , Earl of Salisbury b: 1400 d: 31 Dec 1460 | | | | | /John Plantagenet , Duke of Lancaster b: 24 Jun 1340 d: 3 Feb 1398/1399 => | | | | \Joan de Beaufort b: 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 | | | | \Catherine Roet b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403 => | | \Catherine Nevill b: ABT 1442 d: AFT 25 Mar 1504 | | | /John de Montagu , Earl of Salisbury b: 1350 d: 5 Jan 1399/1400 => | | | /Thomas de Montagu , Earl of Salisbury b: 1388 d: ABT 3 Nov 1428 | | | | \Maud Francis b: ABT 1350 d: BEF 5 Aug 1424 => | | \Alice de Montagu , Countess of Salisbury b: 1406 d: BEF Feb 1462/1463 | | | /Thomas de Holand , 2nd Earl of Kent b: ABT 1350/1351 d: 23 Apr 1397 => | | \Alianore Holand b: ABT 1373 d: 23 Oct 1405 | | \Alice fitz Alan b: ABT 1352 d: 17 Mar 1415/1416 => \Elizabeth Willoughby b: ABT 1520 d: 1562 | /Ralph de Neville , 2nd Baron of Raby b: ABT 1291 d: 5 Aug 1367 => | /Sir John de Neville , 3rd Lord Neville of Raby b: ABT 1331 d: 17 Oct 1388 | | \Alice de Audley b: 1300 d: 13 Jan 1374/1375 => | /Ralph de Neville , 1st Earl of Westmoreland b: 1364 d: 1 Oct 1425 | | | /Sir Henry de Percy b: 6 Feb 1301 d: 26 Feb 1351/1352 => | | \Maud de Percy b: 1345 d: BEF 18 Feb 1378/1379 | | \Idoine de Clifford b: 1303 d: 24 Aug 1365 => | /George de Nevill b: 1405 d: 30 Dec 1469 | | | /Edward III King of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 => | | | /John Plantagenet , Duke of Lancaster b: 24 Jun 1340 d: 3 Feb 1398/1399 | | | | \Philippa of Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 => | | \Joan de Beaufort b: 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 | | | /Sir Payne Roelt | | \Catherine Roet b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403 | /Sir Henry Nevill | | | /Thomas de Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick b: 14 Feb 1313/1314 d: 16 Nov 1369 => | | | /Thomas Beauchamp , 4th Earl of Warwick b: BEF 16 Mar 1338/1339 d: 8 Apr 1401 | | | | \Katherine de Mortimer b: ABT 1310 d: BEF 6 Sep 1369 => | | | /Richard de Beauchamp , 12th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan 1381/1382 d: 30 Apr 1439 | | | | | /Sir William Ferrers b: 28 Feb 1332/1333 d: 8 Jan 1370/1371 => | | | | \Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/1407 | | | | \Margaret de Ufford => | | \Elizabeth Beauchamp | | | /Maurice de Berkeley b: 1330 d: 8 Jun 1368 => | | | /Thomas de Berkeley b: 5 Jan 1352/1353 d: 13 Jul 1417 | | | | \Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 => | | \Elizabeth de Berkeley b: ABT 1386 d: 28 Dec 1422 | | | /Warin de Lisle | | \Margaret Lisle b: 1360 d: 20 Mar 1391/1392 | | \Margaret Pipard => | /Sir Richard Neville | | | /William Bourchier , Count of Eu d: 28 May 1420 | | | /Sir John Bourchier , 1st Baron Berners d: May 1474 | | | | | /Edward III King of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 => | | | | | /Thomas Plantagenet , Duke of Gloucester b: 7 Jan 1355/1356 d: 8 Sep 1397 | | | | | | \Philippa of Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 => | | | | \Anne Plantagenet , Countess of Buckingham b: 1382/1383 d: 16 Oct 1438 | | | | | /Humphrey de Bohun , 7th Earl of Herford, Essex and Northhampton d: 1372 => | | | | \Alianore de Bohum d: 2 Oct 1399 | | | | \Joane fitz Alan => | | \Joanna Bourchier | | | /Sir Richard Berners | | \Margery Berners d: 18 Dec 1475 | | | /Sir Edward Dalyngruge | | \Philippa Dalyngruge \Margaret Neville b: 3 Mar 1494/1495 \Anne Stafford Bubba, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org wrote: >Do you have access to a copy of Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed.? The >Greys are treated in this work: the citations at the end of the lineage >paragraph may be of some assistance to you in your search. > See also Burke's Peerage (1963) which has essentially the same information as Kevin mentioned [PA2:156] on p. 1072. There is one disagreement on the earliest Thomas, BP has him as John. But there are a couple of additional and significant clues found in Burke's Peerage which seem worth mentioning. First, the statement that precedes this lineage: "The family of Grey is one of great antiquity in Northumberland." Then, at the end of each article, the arms are described. Compare those given for the de Greys in BP(MCMLXIII):1072: "Gu., a lion rampant within a border engrailed arg. In dexter chief point a mullet or." with those of Andrew Grey of Broxmouth, co. Roxbrugh in CP VI:98 note (c) (citing SP): "Gules, a lion rampant within a border engrailed Azure." The arms are identical except those of the Northumberland family are "differenced" as for a third son (a single mullet) [see Pembys, Dictionary of Heraldry, "M", http://digiserve.com/heraldry/pimbley.htm]. Following up, in the Scots Peerage [SP IV:269] it states: The family of Gray or Grey is common to both England and Scotland and is generally held to be of Norman origin. In the former country the family rose to great eminence, and were raised to the Peerage with the titles of Duke of Suffolk and Kent, Earl of Stamford, Baron Grey of Codnor, Ruthen, Wilton, Rolleston, WARK, and Chillingham..." So going by the armorial bearings, the family of Northumberland stemmed from a third son of the family in Scotland. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that at present we know who exactly that was. Just a thought--Kevin, if you don't mind me asking, any chance DD has anything on this family in Northumberland (WARK or WERKE, also Heton) that might help fill in these blanks? Anyway, I hope what I found helps. Jim > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Cousins: I have seen many of your lines and thought it was time for to me to post one of mine. I have six separate immigrants to America with royal blood. Many of my relations first came as colonials to northern New Jersey and Long Island, New York. Thanks for reading. John Belz from Lincoln, Nebraska Geoffrey Henry II John "Lackland" Henry III Edward I Thomas Plantagenet Margaret Plantagenet of Norfolk Elizabeth Segrave Eleanor de Mowbray Eudo de Welles Lionel de Welles Margaret de Welles Lionel kt Dymoke Alice Dymoke John Skipwith Mary Skipwith Eleanor Newcomen John Asfordby 1617-1657 William Asfordby 1638-1698 Martha Burton 1634-1711 Elinor/Alida Asfordby 1682-- Thomas Coxe/Cock 1682-1751 Catherine Cox 1713-- Col. Martin Ryerson 1698-1767 Martin Ryerson 1748-1820 Rhoda Hull 1757-1823 Emma Ryerson 1786-1857 Daniel Everett 1782-1823 Martin Everett 1814-1870 Margaret Hunt 1815-1857 Jesse Everett 1846-1898 Frances Ackland 1856-1908 Mabel Everett 1892-1976 John Stevens 1881-1956 mom me Thanks for reading. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Bubba, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org wrote: >Do you have access to a copy of Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed.? The >Greys are treated in this work: the citations at the end of the lineage >paragraph may be of some assistance to you in your search. > See also Burke's Peerage (1963) which has essentially the same information as Kevin mentioned [PA2:156] on p. 1072. There is one disagreement on the earliest Thomas, BP has him as John. But there are a couple of additional and significant clues found in Burke's Peerage which seem worth mentioning. First, the statement that precedes this lineage: "The family of Grey is one of great antiquity in Northumberland." Then, at the end of each article, the arms are described. Compare those given for the de Greys in BP(MCMLXIII):1072: "Gu., a lion rampant within a border engrailed arg. In dexter chief point a mullet or." with those of Andrew Grey of Broxmouth, co. Roxbrugh in CP VI:98 note (c) (citing SP): "Gules, a lion rampant within a border engrailed Azure." The arms are identical except those of the Northumberland family are "differenced" as for a third son (a single mullet) [see Pembys, Dictionary of Heraldry, "M", http://digiserve.com/heraldry/pimbley.htm]. Following up, in the Scots Peerage [SP IV:269] it states: The family of Gray or Grey is common to both England and Scotland and is generally held to be of Norman origin. In the former country the family rose to great eminence, and were raised to the Peerage with the titles of Duke of Suffolk and Kent, Earl of Stamford, Baron Grey of Codnor, Ruthen, Wilton, Rolleston, WARK, and Chillingham..." So going by the armorial bearings, the family of Northumberland stemmed from a third son of the family in Scotland. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that at present we know who exactly that was. Just a thought--Kevin, if you don't mind me asking, any chance DD has anything on this family in Northumberland (WARK or WERKE, also Heton) that might help fill in these blanks? Anyway, I hope what I found helps. Jim > >

Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Elizabeth de Clare-Hugh de Audley Margaret de Audley-Ralph Stafford Elizabeth Stafford-Fulk le Strange Matilda Strange-Griffith de Warenne Griffith de Warenne-Margaret Corbet John de Warenne-Emma Cheney Margaret de Warenne-William Mainwaring Margery Mainwaring-Phillip Egerton William Wilbraham-Helena Egerton Thomas Daniell-Margaret Wilbraham Robert Daniell Richard Owen-Joanne Daniell Bartholomew Owen Thomas Owen-Elizabeth Owen Priscilla Owen-Guillaume Fouquet Mary Fuqua-James Roberson William Roberson-Rhoda Sartain James Roberson-Margaret Worthington (Edward III) Zilpah Roberson-David Rankin William Roberson Rankin-Louise Jane Stockell Thomas Turley Rankin-grandfather. -----Original Message----- From: Wrenn, Bubba Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:09 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey Here are some of my lines from Joan of Acre, daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castille Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Margaret de Clare Margaret Audley Elizabeth De Spencer-Maurice de Berkeley Thomas de Berkeley-Margaret de Lisle Elizabeth de Berkeley-Richard Beauchamp Elizabeth Beauchamp-George Neville Henry Neville-Joan Bourchier Richard Neville-Anne Stafford Dorothy Neville-John Dawney Anne Dawney-John Conyers Elinor Conyers-Lancelot Strother Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare Elizabeth Despencer-Maurice de Berkeley Thomas de Berkeley-Margaret de Lisle Elizabeth de Berkeley-Richard Beauchamp Eleanor de Berkeley-Edmund Beaufort Anne Beaufort-Henry Beaufort-Margaret Beaufort Paston line-Somerset line-Stafford line Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare-Theobold de Verdun Isabella de Verdun--Henry Ferrers Margaret Ferrers-Thomas Beauchamp Richard Beauchamp-Elizabeth de Berkeley Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor De Clare Edward Despencer Edward Despencer Thomas Despencer-Constance Plantagenet Isabel Despencer-Richard Beauchamp Anne Beauchamp-Richard Neville Isabel Neville-George Plantagenet Margaret Plantagenet-Richard de la Pole Ursula Pole-Henry Stafford Richard Stafford-Agnes Eyre Humphrey Stafford-Lucy Eyre Alice Stafford*Anthony Savage Dorothy Savage-William Strother Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare Isabel Verdun William de Ferrers Ann Ferrers-Edward Despencer (see above) Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare-John de Burgh William de Burgh-Maud Plantagenet Elizabeth de Burgh-Lionel Plantagenet Philippa Plantagenet-Edmund Mortimer Elizabeth Mortimer-Roger Mortimer-Eleanor Holland Percys-------------Anne Mortimer-Richard Plantagenet -------------------House of York Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Thomas Monthermer-Margery Tiftolf Margaret Monthermer-John Montague John Montague-Maud Francis Thomas Montague-Eleanor Holland Alice Montague-Richard Neville Richard Neville-Anne Beauchamp/John Neville/Alice Neville. Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare-Hugh Despencer Isabel Despencer-Richard Fitzalan Isabel Fitzalan-John Strange Ankaret Strange-Richard Talbot Mary Talbot-Thomas Greene Elizabeth Greene-William Raleigh Edward Raleigh-Anne Chamberlayne Bridget Raleigh-Sir John Cope Bridget Dryden-Francis Marbury Anne Marbury-Edward Hutchinson Faith Hutchinson-Thomas Savage Mary Savage-Richard Tunstall Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Margaret de Clare-Hugh Audley Margaret Audley-Ralph Stafford Elizabeth Stafford-John Ferrers Robert Ferrers-Margaret Despencer Philippa Ferrers-Thomas Greene Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare-Hugh Despencer Edward Despencer-Ann Ferrers Edward Despencer-Elizabeth Burghersh Margaret Despencer-Robert Ferrers -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Here are some of my lines from Joan of Acre, daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castille Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Margaret de Clare Margaret Audley Elizabeth De Spencer-Maurice de Berkeley Thomas de Berkeley-Margaret de Lisle Elizabeth de Berkeley-Richard Beauchamp Elizabeth Beauchamp-George Neville Henry Neville-Joan Bourchier Richard Neville-Anne Stafford Dorothy Neville-John Dawney Anne Dawney-John Conyers Elinor Conyers-Lancelot Strother Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare Elizabeth Despencer-Maurice de Berkeley Thomas de Berkeley-Margaret de Lisle Elizabeth de Berkeley-Richard Beauchamp Eleanor de Berkeley-Edmund Beaufort Anne Beaufort-Henry Beaufort-Margaret Beaufort Paston line-Somerset line-Stafford line Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare-Theobold de Verdun Isabella de Verdun--Henry Ferrers Margaret Ferrers-Thomas Beauchamp Richard Beauchamp-Elizabeth de Berkeley Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor De Clare Edward Despencer Edward Despencer Thomas Despencer-Constance Plantagenet Isabel Despencer-Richard Beauchamp Anne Beauchamp-Richard Neville Isabel Neville-George Plantagenet Margaret Plantagenet-Richard de la Pole Ursula Pole-Henry Stafford Richard Stafford-Agnes Eyre Humphrey Stafford-Lucy Eyre Alice Stafford*Anthony Savage Dorothy Savage-William Strother Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare Isabel Verdun William de Ferrers Ann Ferrers-Edward Despencer (see above) Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Elizabeth de Clare-John de Burgh William de Burgh-Maud Plantagenet Elizabeth de Burgh-Lionel Plantagenet Philippa Plantagenet-Edmund Mortimer Elizabeth Mortimer-Roger Mortimer-Eleanor Holland Percys-------------Anne Mortimer-Richard Plantagenet -------------------House of York Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Thomas Monthermer-Margery Tiftolf Margaret Monthermer-John Montague John Montague-Maud Francis Thomas Montague-Eleanor Holland Alice Montague-Richard Neville Richard Neville-Anne Beauchamp/John Neville/Alice Neville. Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare-Hugh Despencer Isabel Despencer-Richard Fitzalan Isabel Fitzalan-John Strange Ankaret Strange-Richard Talbot Mary Talbot-Thomas Greene Elizabeth Greene-William Raleigh Edward Raleigh-Anne Chamberlayne Bridget Raleigh-Sir John Cope Bridget Dryden-Francis Marbury Anne Marbury-Edward Hutchinson Faith Hutchinson-Thomas Savage Mary Savage-Richard Tunstall Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Margaret de Clare-Hugh Audley Margaret Audley-Ralph Stafford Elizabeth Stafford-John Ferrers Robert Ferrers-Margaret Despencer Philippa Ferrers-Thomas Greene Edward I-Eleanor of Castille Joan of Acre Plantagenet Eleanor de Clare-Hugh Despencer Edward Despencer-Ann Ferrers Edward Despencer-Elizabeth Burghersh Margaret Despencer-Robert Ferrers -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Everyone, I am having a devil of a time finding information about some old Norman-Anglo-Irish families. I have found some information in these sources: 1. Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland 2. First Families of America. 3. The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies of the United States. 4. Families of County Kerry I am primarily interested in the Rice family members who immigrated from Dingle, Kerry to Virginia, especially Dominick Rice, so I can link with a Rice xx-grandfather. However in the research I've done, other names are equally fascinating: Aylmer, Barnewall, Fagan, Fleming, Hussey, Trant, and Nangle. I have ordered Irish Pedigrees: The Origin and the Stem of the Irish Nation from NEHGS. Would this book have enough information or should I also get THE IRISH AND ANGLO-IRISH LANDED GENTRY, When Cromwell Came to Ireland; or, A Supplement to Irish Pedigrees. Are there other books you might recommend? Thank you, Grace Bliss Smith (who knows, as you can see, very little about her Irish ancestors.)

Perhaps the following link may assist persons who are in doubt as to what types of materials constitute "sources," and how to determine their reliability. In an research environment, printed compendium such as "RD600" and "PA2" are classed as secondary source materials, as I had indicated. Occasionally, one meets with the term "tertiary" source (e.g., one drawn from previous secondary matter): most printed reference works on medieval genealogy are, at the same time, secondary and tertiary sources. Knowing this, however, the researcher is left to determine the reliability of these source materials: as for example, one must seek to discover where the texts they are using have obtained their data: from a primary, contemporary document drawn up at the time an event occured or shortly thereafter, or from another printed source. This is where the "source analysis" comes in. The variable nature of source materials is satisfactorily explained at UC Berkeley's library Website: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/TeachingLib/Guides/PrimarySources.html Another useful help for determining the veracity of source materials as they related to genealogy is found in the book, The BCG Genealogical Standards Manual by Board for Certification Of Genealogists I hope this helps others trying to sort out what types of materials constitute sources for genealogy research. Kevin Bradford, M.L.S. "James P. Robinson III" To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com <jprobins@ix.netcom.co cc: m> Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey 04/13/2004 01:07 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Neither of these are "sources". They are only secondary compendia. The sources that each relies on is where the analysis begins. Jim Robinson As the clock struck 12:46 PM 4/13/2004 -0500, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org took pen in hand and wrote: >I should note that an older, and reliable, source supports the Isabel Darcy >marriages mentioned in RD600. This source is Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, >2nd ed. > >Kevin > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

Neither of these are "sources". They are only secondary compendia. The sources that each relies on is where the analysis begins. Jim Robinson As the clock struck 12:46 PM 4/13/2004 -0500, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org took pen in hand and wrote: >I should note that an older, and reliable, source supports the Isabel Darcy >marriages mentioned in RD600. This source is Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, >2nd ed. > >Kevin >

I should note that an older, and reliable, source supports the Isabel Darcy marriages mentioned in RD600. This source is Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed. Kevin "James P. Robinson III" To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com <jprobins@ix.netcom.co cc: m> Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey 04/13/2004 12:43 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L RD600 is known to contain many flaws. You might check the Gen-Medieval archives for specifics. Jim Robinson As the clock struck 10:30 AM 4/13/2004 -0500, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org took pen in hand and wrote: >RD600, incidentally, shows a different spouse for Isabel Darcy, who was >married twice but in neither case to a Grey. Your suspicion about the Grey >lineage as you have it seems warranted. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

RD600 is known to contain many flaws. You might check the Gen-Medieval archives for specifics. Jim Robinson As the clock struck 10:30 AM 4/13/2004 -0500, KBradford@lourdes-pad.org took pen in hand and wrote: >RD600, incidentally, shows a different spouse for Isabel Darcy, who was >married twice but in neither case to a Grey. Your suspicion about the Grey >lineage as you have it seems warranted.

I am supposedly descended from Edward III through the Sears Family, but there seems to be some question about this and I wonder if there is anyone out there who might be able to shed some light on this. My ancestor, Richard Sears, settled in the Plymouth Colony around 1630. He is said to be the son of John Bourchier Sears & Marie Lamoral van Egmont. His father, John Bourchier Sears was the son of Anne Knyvet. Anne Knyvet was the daughter of Jane Bourchier. Jane Bourchier was the daughter of John Bourchier & Catherine Howard and was the great-great grandaughter of Anne Plantagenet who in turn was the grandaughter of Edward III. Richard Pierce

It would be great Kevin Thanks a bunch. -----Original Message----- From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:31 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba, Do you have access to a copy of Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed.? The Greys are treated in this work: the citations at the end of the lineage paragraph may be of some assistance to you in your search. RD600, incidentally, shows a different spouse for Isabel Darcy, who was married twice but in neither case to a Grey. Your suspicion about the Grey lineage as you have it seems warranted. I am not at my regular PC as I answer this, so I don't have page #s for you, but both references are name indexed. I will be happy to provide the full citations if this will be of use to you. Best, Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey 04/13/2004 07:58 AM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Thanks Wendy I appreciate it. -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Bubba, Do you have access to a copy of Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed.? The Greys are treated in this work: the citations at the end of the lineage paragraph may be of some assistance to you in your search. RD600, incidentally, shows a different spouse for Isabel Darcy, who was married twice but in neither case to a Grey. Your suspicion about the Grey lineage as you have it seems warranted. I am not at my regular PC as I answer this, so I don't have page #s for you, but both references are name indexed. I will be happy to provide the full citations if this will be of use to you. Best, Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Thomas Grey 04/13/2004 07:58 AM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Thanks Wendy I appreciate it. -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Does anyone know who Isabel of Essex is? She's listed as one of the spouses in this line. Thanks for your help, Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Thanks Wendy I appreciate it. -----Original Message----- From: Priestlybride [mailto:priestlybride@ineva.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:18 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Thomas Grey Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Sorry, Shamrocks only have 3 leaves....holy trinity. Shamrocks are 2 or 3 times larger than any clover I have ever seen. 4 leaf clovers are supposedly lucky, but not the same. Paulette

Bubba This link goes to Roger Grey and Isabel Darcy. What are you looking for? http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:2791480&id=I201561 This link might help. It goes to Thomas Grey, wife Alice Neville, parents Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray. I think it might give names of wives you are missing and some of the names have write ups. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=glencoe&id=I11667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. > Thomas Grey-Alice Neville > Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-unknown > Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick > Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. > Barbara Grey-William Strother > These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. > If you know anything, please advise. > > Thanks Kevin, > Bubba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > rg> cc: > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > Please respond to > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

For you Talbot and Butler descendants, the current The Ricardian (Richard III Society) has an interesting article titled: "Lady Eleanor Talbot's Other Husband: Sir Thomas Butler, Heir of Sudeley and his Family" Grace Bliss Smith

Kevin, do you know anything about the following? I can't find anything on these Greys in my dad's tree. Thomas Grey-Alice Neville Thomas Grey-Joan Mowbray Thomas Grey-unknown Thomas Grey-unknown Thomas Grey-Joan Fenwick Roger Grey-Isabel Darcy-Descendant of Edward III. Barbara Grey-William Strother These generations are truly messed up. I can't find anything on this family much. If you know anything, please advise. Thanks Kevin, Bubba -----Original Message----- From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Bubba, Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb pedigree linked below): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and features in the latter's memoirs. All the best, Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage 04/12/2004 12:48 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Edward III John of Gaunt John Beaufort Edmund Beaufort Ann Beaufort Elizabeth Paston Richard Poynings Eleanor Poynings Margaret Percy Edward III John of Gaunt John Beaufort Edmund Beaufort Ann Beaufort Elizabeth Paston Richard Poynings Eleanor Poynings Henry Percy Henry Percy Eleanor Percy Henry Stafford Richard Stafford Humphrey Stafford Alice Stafford Dorothy Savage Joseph Strother Edward III John of Gaunt Joan Beaufort Elizabeth Ferrers Anne de Greystoke Anne Bigod Thomas Conyers Christopher Conyers John Conyers Elinor Conyers William Strother William Strother Joseph Strother Edward III John of Gaunt Joan Beaufort Elizabeth Ferrers Joan Greystoke Richard Darcy William Darcy Isabel Darcy Barbara Grey William Strother Lancelot Strother William Strother William Strother Joseph Strother. These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237