I'd be delighted if this lineage could be documented (I'm descended from the third North sister, Sarah who married an Oldham), but I'm not very hopeful. For starters, there was an article on Richard North which appeared several years ago in TAG (vol. 68, no. 2, 1993 according to what I've found on line -- I'm writing from work so none of my files are at hand) which could only document his ancestry back a generation or two (at the most). Secondly, Richard North does not appear in either edition of Gary Boyd Roberts' work on "Immigrants of Royal Descent" and while he doesn't attempt to follow immigrants who were unfortunate enough to not have even one "famous" descendant, Richard North would more than meet his criteria, so I'm forced to conclude that Richard North's non-appearance indicates that no such royal descent is documented -- otherwise Roberts' would have snapped him up. Jeff Duvall P.S. Marilyn, are you same Marilyn I used to correspond with a few years ago about the Gullions, Headys, etc? If so, guess that makes two of us nice to run across you again... Quoting "" <AbigtM@aol.com>: > First, I would rather not use the term "infamous". It indicates that > Susanna was in the wrong. There is much said about her in Salem and she is > depicted as one of the strongest and most brave of the poor victims of the > hysteria. > > > Now, having attempted to "protect" my ancestor, I am really interested in > this source. Can anyone help? Is this reliable? I have other lines that > might > be prove a Plantagenet descendancy, but I don't feel strongly about the > sources for those either. > > I look forward to further information on this subject. > > Thanks. > > Marilyn > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Chris, I share this ancestry down to generation #6, Avice Marmion & John de Grey.I link to Robert de Grey, Maud Harcourt's brother: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I4066&style=TEXT The pedigree you list, to generation #8, is found in Roberts' RD600, pp.215, 403, 407. Of course, you'll need to follow up on the source citationsgiven in that resource to be certain of the veracity of his information. The maternity of Richard fitz Roy is not definitely known: there is nocontemporary evidence of the woman's name. I note that Susanna North Martin is not treated as a royals descendant inRD600, PA2, or AR7. You might try an archival search of SGM's listserv forsome of the names in your pedigree:http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GEN-MEDIEVAL The women and men executed at Salem during the witch trials were tragicvictims of a mass hysteria that burned as quickly as the fires built toconsume them. The Salem victim's sole infamy was being born in the wrongplace (under a puritanical government which mixed church and state) at thewrong time. Best,Kevin Chris Jay Becker <chrisjaybecker@yahoo. To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com com> cc: Subject: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? 04/20/2004 09:17 PM Please respond to ! PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hangedas witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8thgreat-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descendedfrom John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably byJohn's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter ofGeoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.)Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDPgenealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in thisline, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne2 Richard FitzRoy =3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion4 John de Marmion = Isabel ?5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys11 Roger North = Christian Warcup12 Edward North = Alice Squire13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville14 John North = Anna Hodell15 Richard North = Joan Bartram16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker ---------------------------------Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure ordistribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hey guys, One of my coworkers is a descendant of Sarah Boone Wilcox, a sister of Daniel Boone. She's just starting to get into her genealogy and learning quickly. I told her I'd help her with her research and have found her descent from Frances Somerset, (Edward III. Someone had posted the Daniel Boone descent from Lionel of Clarence through Elizabeth Mortimer and the Percys. Does anyone still have that? Thanks, Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage Bubba, Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb pedigree linked below): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and features in the latter's memoirs. All the best, Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage 04/12/2004 12:48 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Edward III John of Gaunt John Beaufort Edmund Beaufort Ann Beaufort Elizabeth Paston Richard Poynings Eleanor Poynings Margaret Percy Edward III John of Gaunt John Beaufort Edmund Beaufort Ann Beaufort Elizabeth Paston Richard Poynings Eleanor Poynings Henry Percy Henry Percy Eleanor Percy Henry Stafford Richard Stafford Humphrey Stafford Alice Stafford Dorothy Savage Joseph Strother Edward III John of Gaunt Joan Beaufort Elizabeth Ferrers Anne de Greystoke Anne Bigod Thomas Conyers Christopher Conyers John Conyers Elinor Conyers William Strother William Strother Joseph Strother Edward III John of Gaunt Joan Beaufort Elizabeth Ferrers Joan Greystoke Richard Darcy William Darcy Isabel Darcy Barbara Grey William Strother Lancelot Strother William Strother William Strother Joseph Strother. These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

First, I would rather not use the term "infamous". It indicates that Susanna was in the wrong. There is much said about her in Salem and she is depicted as one of the strongest and most brave of the poor victims of the hysteria. Now, having attempted to "protect" my ancestor, I am really interested in this source. Can anyone help? Is this reliable? I have other lines that might be prove a Plantagenet descendancy, but I don't feel strongly about the sources for those either. I look forward to further information on this subject. Thanks. Marilyn

Chris, This is interesting. Her sister, Mary North, is my 8th great-grandmother. Question: how reliable is the publication, Genealogical & Biographical Notices of the Descendants of Sir John Wright. By: Curtis Wright. Carthage, MO 1915? Have you used this source? Grace Bliss Smith -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jay Becker [mailto:chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:17 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hanged as witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8th great-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descended from John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably by John's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter of Geoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.) Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDP genealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne 2 Richard FitzRoy = 3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion 4 John de Marmion = Isabel ? 5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival 6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey 7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt 8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis 9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan 10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys 11 Roger North = Christian Warcup 12 Edward North = Alice Squire 13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville 14 John North = Anna Hodell 15 Richard North = Joan Bartram 16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Nope. Wish I could "un-post"!! Here is a simplified one - John de Normandie, KoE (1166-1216) Richard Fitzroy, PoE (Abt.1186-1270) Isabella De Chilham (1218-1276) Sir Thomas Berkeley Baron (1245-1321) Sir Maurice Berkeley Baron (1281-1326) Isabella Berkeley Baroness (Abt. 1307-1362) Sir Roger Clifford Baron (1335-1369) Catherine Clifford Baroness (Abt. 1367-1413) Maud Greystoke (Abt 1387) Married 1406 to: Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1516/17) Mary Lewknor (Abt. 1549) Mary Machell (Abt. 1574) James Cudworth (1605 - 1681)

Jim, I have seen both of those names, but mostly I have seen LACKLAND in the history books. Amanda, Boise, Idaho

Jim - He was grandfather of Edward I and father of Henry III.I guess just John, KoE. The file I use calls him de Normandie and others I have seen say John Lackland. Do you know if both are correct? It seems they all have a couple of names. My line to Edward I branches off at Eudo de Welles' wife Maud Greystroke and goes to John as such: John de Normandie, KoE (1166-1216) Richard Fitzroy, PoE (Abt.1186-1270) Isabella De Chilham (1218-1276) Edward I. King of England (d. 1307) Sir Thomas Berkeley Baron (1245-1321) Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk (1300-1338) Sir Maurice Berkeley Baron (1281-1326) Margaret Plantagenet, Duch. of Norfolk (1322-1399) Isabella Berkeley Baroness (Abt. 1307-1362) Elizabeth de Segrave (1338-1375) Sir Roger Clifford Baron (1335-1369) Eleanor Mowbray (1355-1404) Catherine Clifford Baroness (Abt. 1367-1413) Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) married 1406 Maud Greystoke (Abt 1387) Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1516/17) Mary Lewknor (Abt. 1549) Mary Machell (Abt. 1574) James Cudworth (1605 - 1681) Hopefully this format will retain itself. If not I will repost. And those other connections are interesting! Out of curiosity, does illegitimacy have any bearing on ancestry? Hamlin is supposedly a 24th g grandfather, Robert de Cael a 24th g grandfather, Maud, and her sister Alice, both 27th g grandmothers, as well other grandparents among his 8 other wives. Edmund 21st g grandfather:-) A virtual medieval Peyton Place:-) Thanks, Jim

Jim, OK, John 'Lackland' (so named because as 5th son he lacked land and titles), aka: John, King of England--I have two lines back to him as well. What source would have referred to him as John de Normandie? He was an Angevin king. So no, that would be incorrect in his case. Henry I was technically the last of the Norman kings (some say Stephen of Blois was the last, but he was of the house of Blois in the male line). I appreciate you explaining. You just were given some bad information. But thanks for explaining. Jim wrote: >And those other connections are interesting! Out of curiosity, does >illegitimacy have any bearing on ancestry? Hamlin is supposedly a 24th g >grandfather, Robert de Cael a 24th g grandfather, Maud, and her sister >Alice, both 27th g grandmothers, as well other grandparents among his 8 >other wives. Edmund 21st g grandfather:-) A virtual medieval Peyton >Place:-) > No, not a bit. Genealogy is a study of your biological ancestors. Questions of legitimacy are legal issues based on laws and customs of the time and place they lived in. Jim

Grace, No, I haven't used that source. Others here may have, or may know of its reliability or unreliabilty. That's the beauty of this mailing list. Anyone? Grace Bliss Smith <gracemi@comcast.net> wrote: Chris, This is interesting. Her sister, Mary North, is my 8th great-grandmother. Question: how reliable is the publication, Genealogical & Biographical Notices of the Descendants of Sir John Wright. By: Curtis Wright. Carthage, MO 1915? Have you used this source? Grace Bliss Smith -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jay Becker [mailto:chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:17 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hanged as witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8th great-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descended from John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably by John's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter of Geoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.) Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDP genealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne 2 Richard FitzRoy = 3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion 4 John de Marmion = Isabel ? 5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival 6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey 7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt 8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis 9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan 10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys 11 Roger North = Christian Warcup 12 Edward North = Alice Squire 13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville 14 John North = Anna Hodell 15 Richard North = Joan Bartram 16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Oops, I meant to say "probable line." Chris --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hanged as witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8th great-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descended from John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably by John's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter of Geoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.) Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDP genealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne 2 Richard FitzRoy = 3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion 4 John de Marmion = Isabel ? 5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival 6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey 7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt 8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis 9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan 10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys 11 Roger North = Christian Warcup 12 Edward North = Alice Squire 13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville 14 John North = Anna Hodell 15 Richard North = Joan Bartram 16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

I did. The Wychingham one is my ancestress. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:50 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Ancestor Gateway - Cudworth Bubba, I hope you saw the correction I made to this information. There were two Anne Hoos, born about 22 years apart. The first Anne, was the daughter of Thomas Hoo and Elizabeth Wychingham--apparently the only child of that marriage. The second Anne, her half sister, was the oldest of three daughters (Anne, Eleanor, and Elizabeth) from Thomas Hoo's second marriage to Eleanor de Welles [CP VI:565]. Jim Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Jim, > > I recently found I was descended from Geoffrey Boelyn and Ann Hoo. I keep wanting to spell it like the old rock band, the Who. >Ann Hoo and Geoffrey Boelyn had a daughter named Ann who married Henry Heyden. >I'm descended from Bridget Heyden the granddaughter. > > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Jim, Jim wrote: >Jim - > >Absolutely correct! I guess that is the beauty of this board is to be >able to get others info, input and opinions. > We seem to have a lot of very good resources here. > >I suppose the key word in the birth date is "Abt.". Now that you have >brought that mis-aligned date to my attention, I have since seen other >"Abt." dates of 1455, 65, 81, 90, 95. Of course, none have definitive >sources so, as we have all learned, this info serves as a "pointer" >only. The year that "may" fit in the best may be 1481 or '89 (maybe >Margaret was known to be the baby of the family.thus '89 would seem >likely). It seems (based on all the "Abt."s, I have in the info I was >looking at which gave her birth in '93) that Ann & Roger were in a >heavy production mode for the last 20 years Roger's life.turning out a >kid every odd year. The only years that seem to be vacant are '81 and >'89. A possibility. Don't know how to go about finding more definitive >information in that even Faris has his "Abt."s.:) > Sometimes when there is no information I just leave it blank. But there's nothing inherently wrong with "abt.", "c." or "ca." (circa), it that's what you have. >I have, which I am sure people probably know about, since found another >(and I am sure there are more) direct link to a Plantagenet King, Henry >III. This still requires the same Hoo-Copley connection as it takes >place further up the line, branching off of Elizabeth Seagrave and Sir >John III de Mowbry, whose mother was Joan Plantagenet.sister to Margaret >Plantagenet on my lineage posting earlier. Her g-grandfather was Henry >III. > I looked and I have this line also in my database (Joan of Lancaster and John, 3rd Lord Mowbray). > Also found other lineages to the Stewarts and John de Normandie.and >obviously many more! > I'm a Stewart descendant as well, my Plantagenet connections stemming mainly from the marriage of James I to Lady Joan Beaufort. BTW, I noticed several earlier Plantagenet family connections through Eleanor de Wells besides the one through Thomas "of Brotherton" (son of Edward I). She is also a descendant of Hamlin, Earl of Surrey (illegitimate son of Geoffrey V); Robert de Caen, Constance, and Maud (all illegitimate children of Henry I); Eleanor of England, Queen Consort of Castile (daughter of Henry II); William Longspee (illegitimate son of Henry II); as well as Edmund "Crouchback" (son of Henry III). I just took a quick look so there could be others as well, but she has quite a collection. BTW, I'm not immediately placing John de Normandie, who was he again? Thanks Jim

Jim - Absolutely correct! I guess that is the beauty of this board is to be able to get others info, input and opinions. I suppose the key word in the birth date is "Abt.". Now that you have brought that mis-aligned date to my attention, I have since seen other "Abt." dates of 1455, 65, 81, 90, 95. Of course, none have definitive sources so, as we have all learned, this info serves as a "pointer" only. The year that "may" fit in the best may be 1481 or '89 (maybe Margaret was known to be the baby of the family.thus '89 would seem likely). It seems (based on all the "Abt."s, I have in the info I was looking at which gave her birth in '93) that Ann & Roger were in a heavy production mode for the last 20 years Roger's life.turning out a kid every odd year. The only years that seem to be vacant are '81 and '89. A possibility. Don't know how to go about finding more definitive information in that even Faris has his "Abt."s.:) I have, which I am sure people probably know about, since found another (and I am sure there are more) direct link to a Plantagenet King, Henry III. This still requires the same Hoo-Copley connection as it takes place further up the line, branching off of Elizabeth Seagrave and Sir John III de Mowbry, whose mother was Joan Plantagenet.sister to Margaret Plantagenet on my lineage posting earlier. Her g-grandfather was Henry III. Also found other lineages to the Stewarts and John de Normandie.and obviously many more! Thanks.

Bubba, I hope you saw the correction I made to this information. There were two Anne Hoos, born about 22 years apart. The first Anne, was the daughter of Thomas Hoo and Elizabeth Wychingham--apparently the only child of that marriage. The second Anne, her half sister, was the oldest of three daughters (Anne, Eleanor, and Elizabeth) from Thomas Hoo's second marriage to Eleanor de Welles [CP VI:565]. Jim Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Jim, > > I recently found I was descended from Geoffrey Boelyn and Ann Hoo. I keep wanting to spell it like the old rock band, the Who. >Ann Hoo and Geoffrey Boelyn had a daughter named Ann who married Henry Heyden. >I'm descended from Bridget Heyden the granddaughter. > > > >

Dear Jim, I recently found I was descended from Geoffrey Boelyn and Ann Hoo. I keep wanting to spell it like the old rock band, the Who. Ann Hoo and Geoffrey Boelyn had a daughter named Ann who married Henry Heyden. I'm descended from Bridget Heyden the granddaughter. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:30 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Ancestor Gateway - Cudworth Jim, Jim wrote: >This is the lineage I have from Cudworth to Edward I. There are a few >Welles in there.as well:-) > >FYI > >Edward I. King of England (d. 1307) - Margaret of France >Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk (1300-1338) - Alice de Hales >Margaret Plantagenet, Duch. of Norfolk (1322-1399) - John de Segrave >4th Baron Segrave (1320-1353) >Elizabeth de Segrave (1338-1375) - John Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray >(1340-1368) >Eleanor Mowbray (1355-1404) - John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles >(1342-1421) >Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) - Maud de Greystock >Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) - Joan Waterton >E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) - Thomas Hoo, 1st Baron Hoo (abt. 1396) >Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) - Sir Roger Copley (Abt. 1429) >Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) - Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1492) > One small problem--Ann Hoo's 2nd husband, Roger Copley, died before 21 Dec 1490 according to Faris [PA2:373] (aged about 60 years). How could their daughter Margaret have been born three years later? Eleanor Copley, Margaret's sister, was born in 1476 [PA2:189]. Otherwise, pretty much everything up to this point agrees with Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition. BTW, if anyone wasn't aware of it, by her 1st marriage to Sir Geoffrey Boleyn, Lord Mayor of London, Anne Hoo was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Queen consort to Henry VIII. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello All, I was recently informed that what I thought was my direct line to Herny III may not be true. I was wondering if any of these below have ties to the Plantagenet family: LOMBARD, Bernard b. 1607 in Thorncombe, Dorset, England d. around 1664 in Barnstable, Massechussetts ( I don't have any information on his parents) LINNELL, Robert b. 1584 in London England m. HOWSE, Jemimah ( her father: Rev. John HOWSE) d. 23 Jan 1661/1662 in Barnstable, Massechussetts ( I don't have any information on his parents) EDDY, Thomas b. 1542 in England d. Jul 1578 in Gloucestershire, England ( I have no information of his parents) SAVERY, Elizabeth b. Cir 1606 d.24 May 1689 ( Her parents were Thomas SAVERY b. Abt 1572. Her mother was Margaret ( Mary?) WOODRORKE b. Abt 1574 ) Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Amanda Boise, Idaho

Jim, et al... JF wrote: > Jim, > > Jim wrote: Disregard the part of the message regarding Anne Hoo and Sir Geoffrey Boleyn, there were two daughters named Anne born to Thomas Hoo, (1) Anne, by his first marriage was the ancestress of Anne Boleyn. (2) Anne, by the second marriage, was married to Roger Copley [CP VI:564-5]. Jim > BTW, if anyone wasn't aware of it, by her 1st marriage to Sir Geoffrey > Boleyn, Lord Mayor of London, Anne Hoo was the great-grandmother of > Anne Boleyn, Queen consort to Henry VIII. >

Jim, Jim wrote: >This is the lineage I have from Cudworth to Edward I. There are a few >Welles in there.as well:-) > >FYI > >Edward I. King of England (d. 1307) - Margaret of France >Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk (1300-1338) - Alice de Hales >Margaret Plantagenet, Duch. of Norfolk (1322-1399) - John de Segrave >4th Baron Segrave (1320-1353) >Elizabeth de Segrave (1338-1375) - John Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray >(1340-1368) >Eleanor Mowbray (1355-1404) - John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles >(1342-1421) >Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) - Maud de Greystock >Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) - Joan Waterton >E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) - Thomas Hoo, 1st Baron Hoo (abt. 1396) >Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) - Sir Roger Copley (Abt. 1429) >Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) - Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1492) > One small problem--Ann Hoo's 2nd husband, Roger Copley, died before 21 Dec 1490 according to Faris [PA2:373] (aged about 60 years). How could their daughter Margaret have been born three years later? Eleanor Copley, Margaret's sister, was born in 1476 [PA2:189]. Otherwise, pretty much everything up to this point agrees with Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition. BTW, if anyone wasn't aware of it, by her 1st marriage to Sir Geoffrey Boleyn, Lord Mayor of London, Anne Hoo was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Queen consort to Henry VIII. Jim