Yes, they are chatty. And they can be very helpful, unlike a couple of the other lists. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors > Hello, Diane. > Do I understand you to say you have gathered a list of ancestors of our > Plantagenet ancestors? I am trying to build that part of my tree. > And at what place and time does your Summerfield family tie in? I was > trying to find information on my English great Grandmother who was a > Summerfield. > This is a pretty chatty list. I guess there are millions of us Plantagenet > descendants. Nice to have some of them here together. > Regards, > Barbara Dudley Washburn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SnowBeri@aol.com [mailto:SnowBeri@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors > > In a message dated 4/29/2004 11:31:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > gen9@cox.net > writes: > How many, for example, are working > on the other end of our family tree? The ancestors of our Plantagenet > ancestors? > I have a list I've gathered if anyone is interested. > > Affiliated families: Asbury, Ayres, Barker, Barnum, Bates, Bauder, Bowling, > Briggs, Burton, Clark/Clarke, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Gardner, > Geary, Goodale, Grim, Hall, Hardendorf, Harman, Harper, Hayes, Hurless, > Keith, > Marcy, Pier, Raney, Sawyer, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Summerfield, > Tinkham, > Vansant, Whitlam, Wilks, Wolford, Wood, Woolever > > Regards, > Diane Wolford > http://www.treelines.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Wendy, Priestlybride wrote: >I have only researched using what others have done. I found information >going way back to BC and to the tribe of Judah (Bible) through the twin >Zerah. I tried looking at other sources to verify this and found the same >information. I also got a copy of Queen Elizabeth's geneology because I >knew they traced the line through King David back to Judah through Zerah's >twin, Perez. > >According to this geneological chart of hers, she shows lines going back to >both Zerah AND Perez who were the sons of Judah. > >Is this what you were getting at?? > That's kind of the idea. Should you want to verify this line, or parts of it that can be verified, I was thinking we probably, collectively, have the resources here to do that. I'd probably try to figure out who was the gateway ancestor to the various tribes of Judah and start there. By gateway ancestor, we usually mean the one who emigrated to the American colonies or the U.S. if they came after the colonial period. But it also means the ancestor who connects from one group, say of Jewish heritage, to another, like someone of French or Germanic heritage. The one who bridges the gap between two groups which otherwise haven't been know to intermarry to any great extent. That's the ancestor you'd want to start with and work back finding who has verifying sources to see how valid such a line is. I just suggested it to see who wanted to participate and who didn't. Thanks Jim

Dianne, >>In a message dated 4/29/2004 11:31:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time, gen9@cox.net >>writes: >>How many, for example, are working >>on the other end of our family tree? The ancestors of our Plantagenet >>ancestors? >>I have a list I've gathered if anyone is interested. >> How big is this list? Is it too big to post here? Perhaps if you mentioned the earliest ancestor in each branch (or maybe the last two or three ancestors) we could see if anyone here has gone that far--or may have found resources to have even gone farther. I'm betting that, collectively, members of this list have access to a great deal of information on Plantagenet ancestors. We'll see. Thanks. Jim

Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Jim, I've seen some really weird stuff lately such as Cleopatra and Antony and some guy named Lagos the rabbit. It must makes no sense. Where do people find such stuff? > On the Internet, where else? But you make a very good point. In discussing various ancestors, even those found via Internet pages (not all are bad, there are actually well-documented sites out there) we can see what others have found, and by pooling resources determine if the connections seem valid or not. No doubt we'll find some surprises both ways. Thanks Jim > >

Hey fellow campers, I'm curious as to what is the extent of the research being conducted by various members of the group. It's obvious by the discussions of late that quite a few are working on colonial gateway ancestors and late medieval ancestors leading up to the Plantagenet kings. But what are each of us doing once we get there? How many, for example, are working on the other end of our family tree? The ancestors of our Plantagenet ancestors? Keep in mind, while we each have different connections to the Plantagenets, from that point back they're all ours in common. And depending on who has what to say, we could have some really interesting possibilities for information sharing here. Jim

I'll do some checking for you since I used to date his gg granddaughter. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Henderson [mailto:henders22@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:34 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet/Grant??? Would you happen to know if there is a Plantagenet connection to General Grant? I think I have a connection through that line but am not done "proving" it yet. Thanks, Carly >From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:26:31 -0500 > >I've been tracking royal bloodlines of the Presidential candidates and have >located John Kerry through Joan Beaufort-James I two of my ancestors..Been >looking for more..Just a hobby.. > >-----Original Message----- >From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] >Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:55 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? > > >Chris, > >I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I have >a wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: > >Chris Jay Becker wrote: > > >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you >know of any source material for the same. > > > >1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne > >2 Richard FitzRoy = > >3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion > > >1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ES >III:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR >119:94-102], the father of: >2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ES >III:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356] >3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] > >BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not the >entire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. > >Jim > >BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996 >CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982 >ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Would you happen to know if there is a Plantagenet connection to General Grant? I think I have a connection through that line but am not done "proving" it yet. Thanks, Carly >From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:26:31 -0500 > >I've been tracking royal bloodlines of the Presidential candidates and have >located John Kerry through Joan Beaufort-James I two of my ancestors..Been >looking for more..Just a hobby.. > >-----Original Message----- >From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] >Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:55 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? > > >Chris, > >I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I have >a wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: > >Chris Jay Becker wrote: > > >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you >know of any source material for the same. > > > >1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne > >2 Richard FitzRoy = > >3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion > > >1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ES >III:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR >119:94-102], the father of: >2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ES >III:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356] >3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] > >BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not the >entire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. > >Jim > >BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996 >CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982 >ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

Roberts also has a book out specifically about the ancestors of United States Presidents. It's pretty good. Chris KBradford@lourdes-pad.org wrote: Bubba, You might try locating Gary Boyd Roberts' work, Royal Descents of 600Immigrants to the American colonies... [GPC, 2004]. One of Gary'sinterests is presidential Plantagenet descents. He has an earlier edition,"RD500." Or his collected columns, Notable Kin : An Anthology of Columns First Published in the NEHGS Nexus, 1986-1995 Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? 04/28/2004 03:26 PM Please respond to ! PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L I've been tracking royal bloodlines of the Presidential candidates and havelocated John Kerry through Joan Beaufort-James I two of my ancestors..Beenlooking for more..Just a hobby.. -----Original Message-----From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net]Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:55 PMTo: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Chris, I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I havea wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: Chris Jay Becker wrote: >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if youknow of any source material for the same.>>1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne>2 Richard FitzRoy =>3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion>1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ESIII:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR119:94-102], the father of:2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ESIII:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356]3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not theentire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. Jim BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982ES=Europ�ische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 >>> ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure ordistribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs

Bubba, You might try locating Gary Boyd Roberts' work, Royal Descents of 600Immigrants to the American colonies... [GPC, 2004]. One of Gary'sinterests is presidential Plantagenet descents. He has an earlier edition,"RD500." Or his collected columns, Notable Kin : An Anthology of Columns First Published in the NEHGS Nexus, 1986-1995 Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? 04/28/2004 03:26 PM Please respond to ! PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L I've been tracking royal bloodlines of the Presidential candidates and havelocated John Kerry through Joan Beaufort-James I two of my ancestors..Beenlooking for more..Just a hobby.. -----Original Message-----From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net]Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:55 PMTo: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Chris, I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I havea wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: Chris Jay Becker wrote: >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if youknow of any source material for the same.>>1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne>2 Richard FitzRoy =>3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion>1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ESIII:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR119:94-102], the father of:2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ESIII:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356]3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not theentire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. Jim BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 >>> ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure ordistribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

I've been tracking royal bloodlines of the Presidential candidates and have located John Kerry through Joan Beaufort-James I two of my ancestors..Been looking for more..Just a hobby.. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:55 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Chris, I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I have a wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: Chris Jay Becker wrote: >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. > >1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne >2 Richard FitzRoy = >3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion > 1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ES III:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR 119:94-102], the father of: 2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ES III:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356] 3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not the entire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. Jim BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996 CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982 ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Chris, I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I have a wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: Chris Jay Becker wrote: >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. > >1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne >2 Richard FitzRoy = >3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion > 1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ES III:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR 119:94-102], the father of: 2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ES III:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356] 3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not the entire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. Jim BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996 CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982 ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 > > >

Dear Jim, Kevin and cousins, Does anyone know anything about the George Maris family from which descends Richard Nixon, Al Gore, and Buffalo Bill Cody? I'm just curious because I have found a strain of Plantagenet in one of the sons-in-law from which my family descends.. Thanks, Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: Jim [mailto:gym4jim@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:51 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Ancestor Gateway - Cudworth Nope. Wish I could "un-post"!! Here is a simplified one - John de Normandie, KoE (1166-1216) Richard Fitzroy, PoE (Abt.1186-1270) Isabella De Chilham (1218-1276) Sir Thomas Berkeley Baron (1245-1321) Sir Maurice Berkeley Baron (1281-1326) Isabella Berkeley Baroness (Abt. 1307-1362) Sir Roger Clifford Baron (1335-1369) Catherine Clifford Baroness (Abt. 1367-1413) Maud Greystoke (Abt 1387) Married 1406 to: Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1516/17) Mary Lewknor (Abt. 1549) Mary Machell (Abt. 1574) James Cudworth (1605 - 1681) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

EXACTLY. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara [mailto:ladybbug@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:58 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Bubba said - The sad part is many people lost their lives for no simple reason much as they did during the Reign of Terror in France. If you hated someone or wanted to get even, you accused them of witchcraft. Yes, Bubba - a sort of societal hysteria on a far worse scale, but not altogether dissimilar to, events like the United States House Un-American Activities' Blacklist after the second world war.....when scores of performers and artists like Leonard Bernstein, Aaron Copland, and Burl Ives, etc., lost their livelihoods and their reputations when they were accused of being Communists, often on the same kind of say-so. During those proceedings, Numbers of people made accusations about others to shift focus from themselves. A classic tale of people who are threatened siding with their "captors" against their own in self-defense - commonly known in psychiatric circles as the Stockholm Syndrome. Those who don't learn from history .......... Barbara ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Bubba said - The sad part is many people lost their lives for no simple reason much as they did during the Reign of Terror in France. If you hated someone or wanted to get even, you accused them of witchcraft. Yes, Bubba - a sort of societal hysteria on a far worse scale, but not altogether dissimilar to, events like the United States House Un-American Activities' Blacklist after the second world war.....when scores of performers and artists like Leonard Bernstein, Aaron Copland, and Burl Ives, etc., lost their livelihoods and their reputations when they were accused of being Communists, often on the same kind of say-so. During those proceedings, Numbers of people made accusations about others to shift focus from themselves. A classic tale of people who are threatened siding with their "captors" against their own in self-defense - commonly known in psychiatric circles as the Stockholm Syndrome. Those who don't learn from history .......... Barbara

Plantagenet descendant or not, here’s a rather provocative site for the Salem Witch Trials – it teaches a lot about the actual people involved as it draws you in as if you were a character in the trials. And it gives you two possible outcomes depending on the choice you make. Choose well. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/salem/ Barbara

The sad part is many people lost their lives for no simple reason much as they did during the Reign of Terror in France. If you hated someone or wanted to get even, you accused them of witchcraft. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara [mailto:ladybbug@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:46 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? Plantagenet descendant or not, here's a rather provocative site for the Salem Witch Trials - it teaches a lot about the actual people involved as it draws you in as if you were a character in the trials. And it gives you two possible outcomes depending on the choice you make. Choose well. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/salem/ Barbara ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear cousins, Forgive me. I used the terms "infamous" and "Salem witch" (as opposed to "Victim of the Salem witch hunts,) just to jazz up the discussion a bit. As a descendant of Susanna North Martin, I'm proud to be associated by genetics to this poor and innocent woman. On the other hand, if my ancestor was Cotton Mather, I would not be as comfortable. Of course, as Plantagenet/Angevin/Capet descendants, we are all heir to much villainy very little saintliness. Even the more "saintly" Plantagenet Kings, such as the unfortunate Edward VI, could be quite cruel at times, not flinching at roasting Lollard "heretics" at the stake, people whose only "heresy" was wanting to read the Bible in their native tongue. Plus, an early Count of the house of Anjou was said to be married to the mysterious Melisende, the daughter of Lucifer himself. As Richard the Lionhearted joked when confronted by this legend, "We come from the devil, and to the devil we must go." But, yes, Susanna North Martin was, indeed a good woman by all accounts and a tragic victim. All the best, Rev. Chris Becker, Plantagenet descendent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Hi Cousins: I'm no expert on this subject, just having fun seeing where my family lines go. I have six different immigrants to America which are suppose to have "royal blood". If there is a weak link, it is probably the jump over the ocean. Rely on others research and just hoping that some of it is correct. Thanks for reading. John Belz of Lincoln, Nebraska, USA Welles lines Edward III Thomas of Woodstock 1354-1397 Ann Plantagenet 1383-1438 John Bourchier 1415-1474 Elizabeth Bourchier hus Robert Welles 1446-1470 see below Robert Welles 1484- Thomas Welles 1504-1558 Robert Welles 1540-1617 Alice Hunt Gov Thomas Welles 1594-1660 of Connecticut Alice Tomes 1592-Bef 1659 John Welles 1621-1659 ELIZABETH BOURNE 1627-1668 John Welles 1648-1714 Mary Hollister 1650- Sarah Welles 1673-Aft 1729 John Everett 1670-1729 CT NY Daniel Everett 1692- Hope Rhodes NY James Everett 1746-1820 Hannah Water -Aft 1791 NY Daniel Everett 1782-1823 Emma Ryerson 1786-1857 (Royal Line also) NY-NJ Martin Everett 1814-1870 Margaret Hunt 1815-1857 Neb Jesse Everett 1846-1898 Frances Ackland 1856-1908 Neb Mabel Everett 1892-1973 John Stevens 1880-1956 Neb My Mom ME Also Joan Plantagenet Margaret Plantagent John Mowbray Elizabeth Seagrave Eleanor de Mowbray Eudo Welles Lionel Welles 1406-1461 Richard de Welles 1428-1469 Robert Welles 1446-1470 see above Hope this is correct. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Bubba - That's better than what I think of. I think of Thomas HOO as the Mayor of Who-ville and Jane (Anne),the comedienne in the "Grinch" movie, as the one who used the machine gun to decorate her house with the Christmas lights:). I'm bad with names after 1980:). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Wrenn, Bubba [mailto:bwrenn@umpublishing.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:14 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestor Gateway - Cudworth Dear Jim, I recently found I was descended from Geoffrey Boelyn and Ann Hoo. I keep wanting to spell it like the old rock band, the Who. Ann Hoo and Geoffrey Boelyn had a daughter named Ann who married Henry Heyden. I'm descended from Bridget Heyden the granddaughter. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:30 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Ancestor Gateway - Cudworth Jim, Jim wrote: >This is the lineage I have from Cudworth to Edward I. There are a few >Welles in there.as well:-) > >FYI > >Edward I. King of England (d. 1307) - Margaret of France >Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk (1300-1338) - Alice de Hales >Margaret Plantagenet, Duch. of Norfolk (1322-1399) - John de Segrave >4th Baron Segrave (1320-1353) >Elizabeth de Segrave (1338-1375) - John Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray >(1340-1368) >Eleanor Mowbray (1355-1404) - John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles >(1342-1421) >Eudo de Wel1es (Abt. 1387 - Bef. 1421) - Maud de Greystock >Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles (1407-1461) - Joan Waterton >E1eanor de We1les (Abt. 1428) - Thomas Hoo, 1st Baron Hoo (abt. 1396) >Anne Hoo (Abt. 1448) - Sir Roger Copley (Abt. 1429) >Margaret Copley (Abt. 1493) - Edward Lewknor (Abt. 1492) > One small problem--Ann Hoo's 2nd husband, Roger Copley, died before 21 Dec 1490 according to Faris [PA2:373] (aged about 60 years). How could their daughter Margaret have been born three years later? Eleanor Copley, Margaret's sister, was born in 1476 [PA2:189]. Otherwise, pretty much everything up to this point agrees with Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition. BTW, if anyone wasn't aware of it, by her 1st marriage to Sir Geoffrey Boleyn, Lord Mayor of London, Anne Hoo was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Queen consort to Henry VIII. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ______________________________

If the Plantagenet descent your coworker is tracing is through the Morgans (Daniel Boone's maternal kin) then you ought to take a look at a series of articles Stewart Baldwin published in *The Genealogist* in 2001. If memory serves, I think he more or less debunked all claims to a royal descent for Daniel Boone through his mother -- sorry. Jeff Duvall Quoting "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org>: > Hey guys, > > One of my coworkers is a descendant of Sarah Boone Wilcox, a sister of > Daniel Boone. > She's just starting to get into her genealogy and learning quickly. I told > her I'd help her with her research and have found her descent from Frances > Somerset, (Edward III. Someone had posted the Daniel Boone descent from > Lionel of Clarence through Elizabeth Mortimer and the Percys. Does anyone > still have that? > > Thanks, > Bubba. > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:14 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage > > > > Bubba, > > Seeing your list reminded me of the fact that we share Anne Beaufort > (Edward III) & William Paston as mutual forebears. I have additional > Paston resources that might be of interest to you. Feel free to contact me > off-list if you like (my email address is encrypted in the Rootsweb > pedigree linked below): > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1477&style=TEXT > > Additionally, Elizabeth Ferrers Greystoke (Edward III) is in my lineage: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I2779&style=TEXT > > Lady Greystoke was a follower of the religious mystic Margery Kempe, and > features in the latter's memoirs. > > All the best, > Kevin > > > > > > > > > "Wrenn, Bubba" > > <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > > rg> cc: > > Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: > My most direct Plantagenet linneage > 04/12/2004 12:48 PM > > Please respond to > > PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT > > S-PROJECT-L > > > > > > > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Margaret Percy > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > John Beaufort > Edmund Beaufort > Ann Beaufort > Elizabeth Paston > Richard Poynings > Eleanor Poynings > Henry Percy > Henry Percy > Eleanor Percy > Henry Stafford > Richard Stafford > Humphrey Stafford > Alice Stafford > Dorothy Savage > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Anne de Greystoke > Anne Bigod > Thomas Conyers > Christopher Conyers > John Conyers > Elinor Conyers > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother > > Edward III > John of Gaunt > Joan Beaufort > Elizabeth Ferrers > Joan Greystoke > Richard Darcy > William Darcy > Isabel Darcy > Barbara Grey > William Strother > Lancelot Strother > William Strother > William Strother > Joseph Strother. > > These lines cover most of my research thus far. To trace back to Edward I > through his daughter Joan of Acre, his sons Thomas and Edmund as well as > Elizbeth would take up tremendous amounts of space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >