Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection between the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about 784 AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. Shirley ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Le: In answer to your question, yes, there are several descents from Charlemagne that go thru the Plantagenet royal line. One of the most celebrated is thru Matilda of Flanders, who married William, Duke of Normandy, later King of England. William and Matilda are great-grandparents of Henry I, King of England. Lee

But the cost is $70 so I will have to wait a year until my library can order it for me. Emily E. > > > Gary Roberts' newest book, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants, is even > better! > > > > Grace Bliss Smith > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

As far as I know, Doug Richardson's PA3 has never appeared despite over two years of "any day now" predictions from Richardson himself. Personally, I pre-ordered the book in early 2002 and have never received it. If anyone has news that it has actually been published, I would appreciate hearing about it. Jim Robinson As the clock struck 06:58 PM 3/1/2004 -0600, Le Bateman took pen in hand and wrote: >Gary Roberts has a good book 500 American Colonist of Royal Descent, The >late Dr. David Faris's Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonist Coming >to America. Ed1 and 2nd. Frederick Lewis Weis Ancestral Roots 7th Ed. as >well. Also Douglas Richardson's 3rd Ed. of Plantagenet Ancestry. Contact me >avout Douglas Richardson's email address. >Le

The new edition of Roberts is out, now 650 Immigrants (not colonists). Richardson's book is not yet out. On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 16:58, Le Bateman wrote: > Gary Roberts has a good book 500 American Colonist of Royal Descent, The > late Dr. David Faris's Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonist Coming > to America. Ed1 and 2nd. Frederick Lewis Weis Ancestral Roots 7th Ed. as > well. Also Douglas Richardson's 3rd Ed. of Plantagenet Ancestry. Contact me > avout Douglas Richardson's email address. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to > > > Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many > connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of > information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many > relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are > never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Gary Roberts' newest book, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants, is even better! Grace Bliss Smith

That maybe Gastum Norman instead of Normanum by Dudo. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Also If ayone can read Latin I recommend Dudo's Gastum Normanum. History of the Normans. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Gary Roberts has a good book 500 American Colonist of Royal Descent, The late Dr. David Faris's Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonist Coming to America. Ed1 and 2nd. Frederick Lewis Weis Ancestral Roots 7th Ed. as well. Also Douglas Richardson's 3rd Ed. of Plantagenet Ancestry. Contact me avout Douglas Richardson's email address. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx

The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection between the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about 784 AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. Shirley

There are a number of my lines that connect to Charlemagne. Alice Tuchet of Audley who married Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville. She is one. I also have one of that family that married into the Brooke family. Thanks Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection between the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about 784 AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. Shirley ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have a couple of sources for the Plantagenet relations. Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Centruy Colonist 1st Ed. by the late David Faris, Magna Charta Sureties by Frederick Lewis Weis. Also a few pages from Ancestral Roots by Frederick L. Weis. pp. 246-250. I do not have the late Dr. Faris's 2nd Ed. Nor Douglas Richardson's 3rd Ed of PA. Are the PLantagenet lines connected back to Charlemagne. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: [PDP] Edward I I am Jacob L. Bateman III or Le pronounced Lee. I have a number of lines to the Plantagenets. My lines are below. I am glad to be on the list. Jacob L. Bateman III Miriam G. Oates=Jake Bateman Walter N. Oates = Mabel Gay Walter B. Oates = Mamie Solomon Wyatt S. Oates = Martha A. Reynolds Ephraim Oates - Mary Ann Ward Stephen Oates = Elizabeth Shipp James Oates - Mary Ann Wyatt James Oates = Sarah Fellow ( Her grandmother was Mary Churchill) Joseph Oates = Elizabeth Wiatt John Wiatt = Rachel Callaway William Wyatt = Rebecca Kent John Wyatt = Mary Cocke Haute Wyatt = Ann Cocke George Wiatt = Jane Finch Thomas Wiatt = Jane Haute Thomas Wiatt = Elizabeth Brooke Thomas Brooke = Dorothy Heyden John Brooke = Margaret Neville Edward Neville = Catherine Howard (parents Robert Howard & Margaret Mowbray) Ralph Neville = as 2nd wife Joan Beaufort. John of Lancaster (of Gaunt) = Katherine Swynford nee Roet Edward III = Philippe Hainaut Edward II = Isabelle de France Edward I = Alionore de Castile Henry III (of Winchester) = Eleonore Berengar John (Lackland) = Isabelle de Angouleme Henry II (Curtmantle) = Eleonore de Aquitaine In regard to Martha Alice Reynolds being Walter Bragg Oates Sr's mother we really do not know who my great-grandfather's mother was. Martha raised him, so I put her. Le Bateman Montgomery, Alabama ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I am Jacob L. Bateman III or Le pronounced Lee. I have a number of lines to the Plantagenets. My lines are below. I am glad to be on the list. Jacob L. Bateman III Miriam G. Oates=Jake Bateman Walter N. Oates = Mabel Gay Walter B. Oates = Mamie Solomon Wyatt S. Oates = Martha A. Reynolds Ephraim Oates - Mary Ann Ward Stephen Oates = Elizabeth Shipp James Oates - Mary Ann Wyatt James Oates = Sarah Fellow ( Her grandmother was Mary Churchill) Joseph Oates = Elizabeth Wiatt John Wiatt = Rachel Callaway William Wyatt = Rebecca Kent John Wyatt = Mary Cocke Haute Wyatt = Ann Cocke George Wiatt = Jane Finch Thomas Wiatt = Jane Haute Thomas Wiatt = Elizabeth Brooke Thomas Brooke = Dorothy Heyden John Brooke = Margaret Neville Edward Neville = Catherine Howard (parents Robert Howard & Margaret Mowbray) Ralph Neville = as 2nd wife Joan Beaufort. John of Lancaster (of Gaunt) = Katherine Swynford nee Roet Edward III = Philippe Hainaut Edward II = Isabelle de France Edward I = Alionore de Castile Henry III (of Winchester) = Eleonore Berengar John (Lackland) = Isabelle de Angouleme Henry II (Curtmantle) = Eleonore de Aquitaine In regard to Martha Alice Reynolds being Walter Bragg Oates Sr's mother we really do not know who my great-grandfather's mother was. Martha raised him, so I put her. Le Bateman Montgomery, Alabama

I, too, am a member of National Society Magna Charta Dames and Barons (Austin Colony, Austin, TX). The address of the organization is the Philadelphia one as posted on this site for "Plantagenet Society." There are about five societies that have been formed under this original umbrella (and all have this Philadephia address) named in the first sentence (NSMCD&B) to which one can easily become a member without having to supply much documention of source or proof of descent. Once I became a member of the NSMCD&B, I was invited to become a member of the other societies that were formed by the original society including "The Society of Descendants of Knights of the Most Noble Order of the Garter," "The Sovereign Colonial Society Americans of Royal Descent," "The Plantagent Society," "The Sovereign of the Colonial Order of the Crown" and the "Order of Washington." More societies may have been formed since I last received an invitation to join these I have listed. I have not joined any of them since I joined the original, and one must be a member of the original to belong to any of the others. There is a membership fee to join, and then membership fee to join each of the others. You can buy a pin also when you join each of these societies. The Texas "Parliament" is held once a year in different places in the state (usually in March and this year in San Antonio) and Mr. Ted Neilson, Chancellor, attends and speaks. Once a year in Philadelphia there is a National Parliament. To join NSMCCD&B it is required that one must be recommended by a member. When I received invitations to join the other listed societies, I was simply sent invitation by the office in Philadelphia. Website is www.magnacharta.org. I haven't looked at it for awhile, but all this information may be on the website. If this is the "Plantagenet Society" to which you wish to belong or join, you will probably find even more information on the website. Janelle Via McKown

Plantagenet Society PO Box 27165 Philadelphia, PA 19118 Membership is open to lineal descendants of one of the Plantagenet Kings of England. Here is my last one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce White" <bwhite@cyberancestors.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet Society > I would like to become a member of the Plantagenet Society. If anyone > has any information regarding how and where to join it would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank you, > Bruce White > www.cyberancestors.com > bwhite@cyberancestors.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

http://members.tripod.com/~MEJPA/LINEAGESOCIETIES.html This site list the Plantagenet Society founded 1902/descent from Plantagenet Kings of England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce White" <bwhite@cyberancestors.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet Society > I would like to become a member of the Plantagenet Society. If anyone > has any information regarding how and where to join it would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank you, > Bruce White > www.cyberancestors.com > bwhite@cyberancestors.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Try this website to see if this is what you are looking for http://www.the-plantagenets.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce White" <bwhite@cyberancestors.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet Society > I would like to become a member of the Plantagenet Society. If anyone > has any information regarding how and where to join it would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank you, > Bruce White > www.cyberancestors.com > bwhite@cyberancestors.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

In fact, this question has come up before. According to what I could find wandering about in the archives, that specific information is apparently not being shared directly. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PLANTAGENET/2002-04 Perhaps I am extraordinarily dense in my dotage, but would somebody be so kind as to explain? Barbara Dudley Washburn -----Original Message----- From: Dynamite [mailto:dynamite@knology.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:28 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Plantagenet Society Why not just post it on the list - unless it's some supersecret closed fraternity. HGD ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJ Johnson" <gnbf@tampabay.rr.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Plantagenet Society > >I would like to become a member of the Plantagenet Society. If > >anyone has any information regarding how and where to join it would > >be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you, > >Bruce White > > Please forward the info to me also... J > -- > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Cousin Bruce, Just jump right in. I've had really good experiences here and find my cousins a wonderfully kind and generous group of people.. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce White [mailto:bwhite@cyberancestors.com] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:20 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet Society I would like to become a member of the Plantagenet Society. If anyone has any information regarding how and where to join it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bruce White www.cyberancestors.com bwhite@cyberancestors.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237