Hi Susan, I am replying to you directly in order to provide this information to our other PIGGOTT researchers. Unfortunately this time period is "on the cusp" as one might say. The wonderful Free BMD (Birth/Marriage/Death) volunteer transcription effort is just now beginning to add meaningful numbers of records in the 1910 -1920 period. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I have personally downloaded a huge number of PIGGOTT index pages from 1837 On Line (now Find My Past), but unfortunately recording of the mother's maiden name only began in 1910. http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet The good news is that I did find your father in law and a probable older brother: From my 1837 On Line records: Your father in law's birth was recorded in the fourth quarter of 1920, mother's maiden name GRAY, in Edmonton District, Middlesex, volume 3a page 1061. On Free BMD I also found this birth, which is almost certainly an older brother: Births Sep 1911 Piggott George E Gray Edmonton 3a 1138 There are at least three other PIGGOTT families having children in Edmonton during this period, so although I have downloaded the Marriage indices, I can not find Frederick's father without some idea of his given name. Dealing with us "mature" folks about family history can sometimes be a touchy problem. When working with my aunt, I have found that if I casually throw out some bit of information (NOT in the form of a direct question) it will frequently trigger a memory and a response that might provide additional clues. You might try something like "I see that Fred's older brother George was named after his father". Now you don't really "know" that, but it could trigger a memory that would confirm that she remembers George, and it could possibly give you the father's given name. Once you identify the father, I can probably help you a lot. Both the father and mother will be shown on the birth certificates. You can obtain a copy of the birth certificates on line from many sources. Our listers may volunteer their experience obtaining certificate copies, but in the mean time, here is an easy way to find sources of certificates. Just Google: obtain "birth certificate" england When I entered that search I received a multitude of sources. I suggest that you stick with the government, as that should be the least expensive. Remember, you only need a COPY, not a CERTIFIED certificate. Naturally, I also suggest that you join our PIGGOTT list. :-) As soon as we take your family back to the turn of the century, there is already probably a wealth of information in our list archives, and chances are that you will "tie in" to at least one other lister. I am always happy to help. Regards, Joe >Hi Joe, I am very new to Ancestry . I noticed your posting and >wondered if you have any info on my father in law FREDERICK PIGGOTT >1920 - 1988 born / live at the family home of 43 grove park road, >Tottenham, london, England. All I know is that his mother was Grey / >Gray. My mother in law is still livng but at 90 odd she is not very >helpful with the past or the pesent come to that! >I hope you can helpme or point me in the right direction >regards Sue er Joe Bissett, PIGGOTT/CUMMISKEY List Administrator/Rootsweb I use America's Book CDs in my genealogical research to access otherwise unavailable primary source material. http://www.abcd-usa.com/ I support the Godfrey Memorial Library. http://www.godfrey.org/ Proud to be a member of LostCousins! http://www/LostCousins.com