Please, I am hoping that someone will forward to me at gullake@primus.ca [1], the DNA postings from Joe Bissett and the previous one from John Laws? ----- Original Message ----- From: Catt gullake@primus.ca To: gullake@primus.ca, piggott@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri 13/02/09 10:27 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [PIGGOTT] DNA project BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Joe Bissett: If possible could you resend me the DNA postings from yourself and the one just before it from John Laws? I accidently erased the two of them as I was putting them into a folder, or so I thought, but was distracted. Links: ------ [1] mailto:gullake@primus.ca

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Joe Bissett: If possible could you resend me the DNA postings from yourself and the one just before it from John Laws? I accidently erased the two of them as I was putting them into a folder, or so I thought, but was distracted. On Thu 12/02/09 10:25 AM , Catt gullake@primus.ca sent: I do not know if this applies to your Pickett family. We descend from Piggott but a female line so this DNA test would not apply to us. I googled for Piggott DNA Project and up came a lot of sites which you might be interested in. Or you could google for Pickett DNA Project, and maybe a specific one will appear? https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&Group=Pigott [1] [1] BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Wed 11/02/09 11:05 PM , unicorn1945@comcast.net [2] sent: Is there a DNA project that anyone on this list is part of? I have a cousin willing to give us his DNA but want to be sure to join the right one if there is more than one. Our Pickett's eventually landed in Indiana. Shirley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [3] [2] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&Group=Pigott [4] [2] PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [5] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [6] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&Group=Pigott [2] mailto:unicorn1945@comcast.net [3] mailto:PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [4] https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&Group=Pigott [5] mailto:PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [6] mailto:PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com

I have read that DNA from a female child can be traced back to her paternal and her maternal side, if she has the DNA from both her mother and father. This is how paternity suits are solved. Check out the paternity DNA tests on the baby girl, of that blond star, who died of a drug overdose in the Carribeaan, leaving a baby girl. Two men had their DNA tested, and the blond man was the actual father. The man she was living with lost the paternity suit. A lot of money was inherited by the baby girl from her mother, which would help the blond man look after the daughter. BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Thu 12/02/09 10:54 PM , Joe Bissett jbissett@hot-peppers.com sent: Hi John, At 09:38 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and help >explain the process. The list is slow these days. I would be happy if you would post a short bit on the value you are finding in having DNA data available, and the differences between paternal and maternal DNA research. For example, I am a PIGGOTT descendent from my mother. I'm wondering if I can "really" find out anything that will assist my quest for my ancestors. From what I understand so far, the information gleaned is extremely broad. As an example, there are two main BISSET(T) groups in North America. Those with Scot/Irish heritage via Canada and the Colonies, and those with French roots coming to North America via the Channel Islands. How specific would a paternal DNA test get in telling me anything about either line? I know now which I am, but perhaps for others?? Thanks, Joe

Hi John, It appears we are of the same Piggott/Pickett line and connect at the first Jeremiah. Hopefully my male cousin will pay for his DNA contribution but, if not, I will contact you for partial help. Can you tell me which DNA project I should enter? Shirley Pearson Indiana MY LINE: John? Piggott John Piggott b. 1680/1689 in Nottingham Maryland, later part of Chester County Pennsylvania, died Jan 29, 1738 in Susquahannah Cecil Co, Maryland, m. MargeryBrown/Browne William Piggott m Sarah Martin Pike Jeremiah Piggott m. Charity Moon Joseph Piggott b. Feb 1, 1778 m Priscilla Wickersham Joseph Pickett b. 25 July 1814 . Elmina Chew John Pickett b May 20, 1839, m. Mary "Mollie" Jane Kern Henry "Lon" Alonzo Pickett b. Dec 2, 1874, m. Hancy Luella Hinkle Bernice Valeria Pickett b. Dec 7, 1903 Living son Shirley (me) Hello all, I am involved in DNA on two family lines, but not my PICKETT/PIGGOTT line. I have been a DNA project manager. Here are some DNA projects that have PICKETT/PIGGOTT members: British Quakers with PIGGOT/PICKETT lines http://www.familytreedna.com/public/britishquakers/default.aspx Cumberland Gap Y-DNA Project with PICKETT www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA/ <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA/> Piggott, Pigot, Pigott www.familytreedna.com/public/Pigott-Pigot/ <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Pigott-Pigot/> If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and help explain the process. If anyone (must be a male of the PIGGOTT surname line) wants to test that is part of my line, I would be happy to help with the costs. John Laws grandson of Lydia Effie PICKETT, daughter of Charlie Rose PICKETT, son of David Hadley PICKETT, son of Jeremiah PICKETT (NC), son of Jeremiah PICKETT/PIGGOTT (NC), son of Jeremiah PIGGOTT (PA-MARYLAND/NC), son of John PIGGOTT Sr. & Margery BROWN(E)

Hi Catt, Yes, X-DNA can be used to test for paternity. Like my example of mixing paint, if possible Dad #1 is 'Blue' X-DNA, possible Dad #2 is 'red' DNA and Mom is 'yellow' DNA, and the baby is tested as 'Green' X-DNA, you know it is not possible Dad #2 as baby would have orange DNA. Very simplified, but I think you can understand that the X-DNA is mixed, so they are not much good past a couple of generations. Paternity is one generation. In checking for a mother, mtDNA is the way to go. John Catt wrote: > I have read that DNA from a female child can be traced back to her > paternal and her maternal side, if she has the DNA from both her > mother and father. This is how paternity suits are solved. Check out > the paternity DNA tests on the baby girl, of that blond star, who died > of a drug overdose in the Carribeaan, leaving a baby girl. Two men > had their DNA tested, and the blond man was the actual father. The > man she was living with lost the paternity suit. A lot of money was > inherited by the baby girl from her mother, which would help the blond > man look after the daughter. BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, > sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > On Thu 12/02/09 10:54 PM , Joe Bissett jbissett@hot-peppers.com > sent: > Hi John, > At 09:38 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: > >If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and > help > >explain the process. > The list is slow these days. I would be happy if you would post a > short bit on the value you are finding in having DNA data available, > > and the differences between paternal and maternal DNA research. > For example, I am a PIGGOTT descendent from my mother. I'm wondering > > if I can "really" find out anything that will assist my quest for my > > ancestors. From what I understand so far, the information gleaned is > > extremely broad. > As an example, there are two main BISSET(T) groups in North > America. Those with Scot/Irish heritage via Canada and the Colonies, > > and those with French roots coming to North America via the Channel > Islands. How specific would a paternal DNA test get in telling me > anything about either line? I know now which I am, but perhaps for > others?? > Thanks, Joe > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi John, At 09:38 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: > If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and help > explain the process. > The list is slow these days. I would be happy if you would post a short bit on the value you are finding in having DNA data available, and the differences between paternal and maternal DNA research. Hello all! I will write a couple of emails for the group to explain how DNA Testing can be used for genealogical purposes. I am basing this on my personal studies and experiences, so if anyone has anything to add, please do! I will try and keep this as simple as possible in layman terms. I am afraid many avoid DNA testing because it looks complex to understand when explained by scientists. OVERVIEW OF DNA First, there currently are two types of DNA that can be tested that are currently of use for genealogists, Y-DNA and Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). If you remember back to basic biology in school, a male is made up of an X & Y chromosome and a female two X chromosomes. When we are conceived, the sperm from dear old Dad had an X-Y to contribute and determined what sex we are, plus we got an X-X from Mom's egg. If you are female, the three X's from your parents merged and you became an X-X. Like mixing paint, your color of X is a combination of your parents colors causing a lot of changes in the X from generation to generation. If Daddy has blue X and Mommy has yellow X then baby is going to have green X (blue mixed with yellow make green)! The X (to date) is not much use in matching family past a generation or two. There is another type of DNA they probably didn't tell you about in biology 101, Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). In layman's term, it is the skin of the chromosome that is passed down from mother to child, not merged with little change from generation to generation following the maternal line. As a male, my children have their mother's mtDNA and not mine. This has usefulness in genealogy, but is not as useful as testing the Y-DNA. If you are a male, then you are an X-Y. You got your Y from Dad alone, not mixed with anything. In fact, I have read that the average slight change in the Y-DNA occurs about once every eight generations. That means the male descendants of my great great uncle LAWS have basically the exact same Y-DNA as I do. This can be a powerful tool for genealogists! Y-DNA TESTING You are interested in following up on your family line or have a dead end you hope to get past. You contact a testing company and they start talking about two types of tests you can take, Single Tandem Repeats (STR) and Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNP) and your eyes glaze over and walk away. Let's simplify! Lets talk STRs and then SNPs (pronounced SNiP). The first thing you are going to hear is how many markers are you going to test, or if you have been tested you end up with a bunch of numbers and have no clue what they mean. The STR's are nothing more than measurements at specific spots along the chromosome. Think of them as your lottery number! Each 'marker' is a place that they take a measurement. They will ask you if you want to test anywhere from 12 to 67 markers. If you test for 12 markers, you get twelve numbers, your lottery number. If you find an exact match at 12 numbers, the odds may be about a million to one you are not related. The problem is there are hundreds of millions of people, so you may get a hundred matches that are not recent relatives (we are all related way back) mixed in with the relatives. So if you were to test 37-markers, you would get 37 numerical values and about a hundred million to one odds at a match that you are not related. I would recommend you start with at least the 37-marker test. I tested for 67, but then I am a DNA testing junkie! So you get the numbers back, what do you do with them? You compare them to others! In the early days of DNA testing you kind of were on your own to figure it out. Today, companies like Family Tree DNA have automated it all so it is easy! They just give you your matches and allow you to contact those who match. Further you can upload a GEDCOM and compare linages. In fact, they are the 'Microsoft' of DNA testing and are dominating the scene. They just did their 500,000 DNA test as a company. There is a free online database called Y-Search that allows you to self enter you DNA results. Or you can join projects, for instance surname or geographical projects such as the PIGGOTT project I mentioned in my previous email. HOW CAN DNA TESTING HELP ME IN MY GENEALOGY? I have been involved in DNA researching two of my lines, my LAWS line and my mother's family KNIGHT. For example, my mother researched her KNIGHT line for about 30 years, joining DAR and Colonial Dames of Virginia based upon her research, but never got beyond a Richard KNIGHT b. abt 1700, Surry County, VA. Her line's brick wall we probably all have hit in our research! This last year, I paid to have my 1st cousin (last male of our KNIGHT branch) DNA tested. I joined with the results the KNIGHT DNA PROJECT. It can be seen here: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/knight/results My line is in Knight Lineage III as the K-37 entry. All five of us in Knight Lineage III are related part of the same bloodline. Of note, for my line is the K-26 entry as we have paper trails back to the same Richard KNIGHT. But more importantly is the K-30 Peter KNIGHT link! His family links back to the Jamestown settlement and stayed almost on the same land in Virginia for 150 years. Further, I have found a will in this family that lists a Richard Knight of the right time period and probably is my Richard Knight ( linages can be seen by hitting the patriarch tab). Bottom line is that DNA allowed me to know that we ARE related and then to try and figure out how! That being said, sometimes the data is not what you expect and can raise issues! Genealogists are now starting to understand that DNA shows that about one in eight births are the result of a non-parent event. I know of living 1st cousins that were both tested and the DNA didn't match! That means that one of their fathers (who were brothers) were not genetically their father. I personally had a case where in my LAWS line, I had traced my family back to a village in Norfolk County England in the early 1700's. Paper wise, I was able to link LAWS in about 5 villages within about a 20 mile radius as all related. When I tested my DNA I had a family match on a man surnamed ALEXANDER. He had a GEDCOM (family tree) that showed his dead end ALEXANDER to be living just a few miles outside of my circle, within about 12 miles of my GGG-grandfather in England. I popped off an email to Mr. Alexander, but it was a few days before I got an answer. I must admit after having spent significant time and even trips to England searching my LAWS line, it was stressful wondering if I was really an ALEXANDER! It turned out, his GGG-grandfather was illegitimate and ALEXANDER was the mother's maiden name with no record of who the father was. We found a LAWS family a couple of houses away on the census with three sons of similar age to his GGG-grandmother! SNP TESTING Next type of testing you might consider is SNP (pronounced SNiP) testing. A SNP is in fact a mutation. If you think of the human race as a tree, the R branch is the predominant major limb that are European males. These mutations are very rare, but every descendant will have the mutation. For instance, there was a Mr. R and he had two sons. One of the sons had a mutation. On the tree, there became an R1 (the son that did not mutate) and R2 (the son that has the mutation). All of their descendants can then be separated. In a sense, the R-limb split into two smaller branches. You can continue this back to twigs! For instance, my Knight line is R1b1b2a1a as was listed above. I have a suspicion that the PICKETT/PIGGOTT line may be from the "I" branch which has historical concentrations in Northern Germany and Scandinavia. This was probably a significant bloodline in the Saxons that invaded present day England. Part of my hypothisis is based upon the PIGGOTT project results where "I" branch has been found and part on my PICKETT relatives that were tall in stature, a genetic trait! My LAWS line has been tested down to a twig that is tested down to a small twig that there are only 5 of us in the world tested to so far. Three of us are from East Anglia region of England (SE coast of England), one from Northern Italy and one from southern Germany. These are my tribe cousins! It makes more sense when compared to DNA testings from early iron age remains that find my 'LAWS' tribe was in the Swiss lake region living in houses built on stilts over the water! They were part of the La Tene culture. How is that for tracing my family back in time! There is a new field of study that has been coined Anthrogenealogy, where through DNA testing of remains and carbon dating, you may be able to find out where your ancestors were at different times in history. WHO TO TEST A male of the PIGGOTT line! This may be a little more difficult than you realize! I tracked down a living PICKETT cousin in Texas who is a rancher. Can you imagine getting a telephone call from someone claiming to be a distant cousin and wanting you to submit a DNA test at the cousins expense? I was turned down. I'm still looking for someone of my line! WHERE TO TEST The best place to have someone tested is Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). They are becoming the Microsoft of DNA testing with most of the people now testing, therefore you get the best results. I previously tested with Relative Genetics but paid to be retested with FTDNA because of all the tools they offer! I would recommend you start with at least the 37-marker test. 12 markers is not enough! They offer 12,25,37 & 67 STR marker tests. 37 markers is the best value for the money with diminishing results from the 67 marker tests (although I did it). The test is a q-tip that they mail you and you rub inside your cheek. You just send it back in the envelope they provide. It takes a few weeks for the testing to be done. They will give you the results along with your projected SNP. If you look back to the Knight DNA project page, you will see some people in the project in red, such as R1b1b2 while my Knight is green and R1b1b2a1a. Green represents confirmed by testing; red is projected by FTDNA. mtDNA is the mother to mother equivalent DNA testing. I got this tested for free via Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), but found mtDNA lacking in usable results for DNA. Actually, I had so many matches (hundreds) that it lacked value for me. Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) also does Y-DNA testing. http://www.smgf.org/ Sorenson was a billionaire who funded this project as a hobby. It is free! But understand that they are not there to serve you, but rather are studying the human race! You must submit a family tree with your DNA sample (they have you spit in a small bottle and mail it back). You can get DNA results for yourself by periodically checking for yourself within the database. My parents both tested through them, It took almost a year before I appeared! The lab is a for profit lab that does the ancestry.com DNA testing. They are located at Temple Square in Salt Lake City (they are not affiliated with the Mormons) There is zero support. You have to understand DNA to make use of it. But if you can't afford mainstream testing, it is great! I'm not sure how, long this is going to continue though because the project has been publishing some results of population migration patterns recently. If one of you tests this way and needs help converting and interpreting the results, drop me a line and I will see if I can help! John Laws Vancouver, Washington, USA GGGGGG Grandson of John PIGGOTT SR. and Margery BROWN(E) m. January 18,1712, Nottingham MM, PA - Quakers PS I have significant research on this PIGGOTT/PICKETT line. Let me know if related.

Hi John, At 09:38 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and help >explain the process. The list is slow these days. I would be happy if you would post a short bit on the value you are finding in having DNA data available, and the differences between paternal and maternal DNA research. For example, I am a PIGGOTT descendent from my mother. I'm wondering if I can "really" find out anything that will assist my quest for my ancestors. From what I understand so far, the information gleaned is extremely broad. As an example, there are two main BISSET(T) groups in North America. Those with Scot/Irish heritage via Canada and the Colonies, and those with French roots coming to North America via the Channel Islands. How specific would a paternal DNA test get in telling me anything about either line? I know now which I am, but perhaps for others?? Thanks, Joe

Hello all, I am involved in DNA on two family lines, but not my PICKETT/PIGGOTT line. I have been a DNA project manager. Here are some DNA projects that have PICKETT/PIGGOTT members: British Quakers with PIGGOT/PICKETT lines http://www.familytreedna.com/public/britishquakers/default.aspx Cumberland Gap Y-DNA Project with PICKETT www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA/ <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA/> Piggott, Pigot, Pigott www.familytreedna.com/public/Pigott-Pigot/ <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Pigott-Pigot/> If anyone wants info on DNA testing, I would be happy to try and help explain the process. If anyone (must be a male of the PIGGOTT surname line) wants to test that is part of my line, I would be happy to help with the costs. John Laws grandson of Lydia Effie PICKETT, daughter of Charlie Rose PICKETT, son of David Hadley PICKETT, son of Jeremiah PICKETT (NC), son of Jeremiah PICKETT/PIGGOTT (NC), son of Jeremiah PIGGOTT (PA-MARYLAND/NC), son of John PIGGOTT Sr. & Margery BROWN(E) unicorn1945@comcast.net wrote: > Is there a DNA project that anyone on this list is part of? I have a cousin willing to give us his DNA but want to be sure to join the right one if there is more than one. Our Pickett's eventually landed in Indiana. > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I do not know if this applies to your Pickett family. We descend from Piggott but a female line so this DNA test would not apply to us. I googled for Piggott DNA Project and up came a lot of sites which you might be interested in. Or you could google for Pickett DNA Project, and maybe a specific one will appear? https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&Group=Pigott [1] BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Wed 11/02/09 11:05 PM , unicorn1945@comcast.net sent: Is there a DNA project that anyone on this list is part of? I have a cousin willing to give us his DNA but want to be sure to join the right one if there is more than one. Our Pickett's eventually landed in Indiana. Shirley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com [2] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=Z16548&amp;Group=Pigott [2] mailto:PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com

Did you talk to Mike Pickett? Cool!!! Or did you see him and pick up a cig. butt he left ? eweee. Either way, that would be exciting. I also, tonight, was contacted by a "cousin" farther removed whose relationship to my great great grandmother is the same as mine (on my mother's side). She is Jewish currently and I had more info than she did about our great great grandmother. That's a real switch. She also has membership to Ancestry.com which I don't have. How are you? Is the wind blowing you to Kansas or are you still safe and warm? I hope so. Tell your Dad hello (and Peanut too)and hopefully, when the whether breaks, I'll get up there. BTW, Brian's Dr. is sending him to the ENT Clinic so that their surgeons can determine what course of action to take. He really wants it out. It is bothering him. He and Denise are really loving their jobs working with the horses. I heard him on the phone yesterday talking to his boss. He was saying "Oh no. Oh, that's too bad. How did it happen? Oh, bless her heart, bless her heart". When he got off the phone, I asked him whose heart he was blessing. He said a horse had got a cut on her leg. He's such a softy. I say that lovingly. Well, it is really late and I'm needing to go to sleep. Love, warmth and crocus. dee PS- I have "my" lock of wandering jew in my kitchen window in a small vase. It has survived the winter so far but I'm anxious to pot it and put it out this summer. > From: unicorn1945@comcast.net > To: PIGGOTT@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:05:14 -0500 > Subject: [PIGGOTT] DNA project > > Is there a DNA project that anyone on this list is part of? I have a cousin willing to give us his DNA but want to be sure to join the right one if there is more than one. Our Pickett's eventually landed in Indiana. > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PIGGOTT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Is there a DNA project that anyone on this list is part of? I have a cousin willing to give us his DNA but want to be sure to join the right one if there is more than one. Our Pickett's eventually landed in Indiana. Shirley

HI List, Extracted from another list: Source: GEN-OBIT@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-OBIT] Obituary Daily Times v15No036 Visit the ODT web site at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary> LAST NAME, First Name (MAIDEN); Age; Place of Death; Newspaper Name; Newspaper date PIGGOTT, Delores V; 81; MA>Virginia Beach VA; Norfolk V-P; 2009-1-17

>From Daily News ( London, England ), Tuesday, February 1, 1887; Issue 12734. DEATH PIGOTT. - January 18, at Montpellier -villas, Cheltenham, Mary Magdalene Fraser PIGGOTT, widow of the late Lieut. C.C. PIGGOTT, of the Bengal Army.

Hi List, Copied from another list: >Source: MORRISON@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORRISON] Jacob R Morrison > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: KayeFick97 >Surnames: MORRISON, PIGOTT >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.morrison/3342.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Sina May MORRISON married my great grandfather, Dexter Lemuel >PIGOTT. She died, possibly of a miscarriage, sometime after >1892. We have not been able to find her death record but know she >is buried in an unmarked grave in the cemetery behind the Pigott >Church near Arnold's Creek in Doddridge Co., WV. Sina May MORRISON PIGOTT is listed on Find A Grave with a death date of 1896 There are ten other PIGOTTs listed in the PIGOTT cemetery by two posters. There is also additional genealogical data entered in the notes. I would suspect that one could get photos of the tombstones by checking with the posters, or with a Find A Grave volunteer. Regards, Joe

2780 PIGGOTT entries on 1911 census 1284 PIGOTT entries on 1911 census 111 PIGOT entries on 1911 census 115 PIGGOT entries on 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk regards Joy

Hi List, I hope that there is someone living in Ramsgate that might be able to point me toward a living relation. My maternal Grand Uncle James Henry PIGGOTT, a plumber, died in Broadstairs on 4 January 1959, and his wife Rose Annie PIGGOTT, a milliner dress maker, died in Broadstairs on 17 September 1963. The PIGGOTTs had two daughters. Kathleen Rose Edna PIGGOTT, born 22 October 1911, was also a dress maker, and died in the 2nd Quarter of 1977. I have found continuity on K.R.E. PIGGOTT through her death date in the Ancestry.com UK Phone Directory database. The youngest daughter, Joan Doreen PIGGOTT, born 25 June 1913 married Harold Aubrey MARKS in the 4th Quarter 1932. They had one son that I have found so far, Colin A. MARKS, born in Thanet in the 4th Quarter of 1935. I actually have a picture of young Colin, so I know that he lived through at least childhood. I have just finished a run through every quarter of the Ancestry.com Death Records from 1935 to 2004. I found the death of Harold Aubrey Marks in Thanet in the 1st Quarter of 1971. However, I found no trace of a death for either Joan Doreen or Colin. Colin would be just 73 at this time, and since that is only 3 years older than me, he is hopefully still living. :-) Joan, on the other hand, would be 95 if still living, which is much less likely. I found continuity for H. A. MARKS between 1950 and his death date in 1971 in the phone directories. He was listed in Ramsgate under the Thanet exchange, with address "Llanrhos, Dumpton Park drive, with phone number 53480. I find no subsequent entries for J. D. MARKS that show the same address. I found several different C. A. MARKS listings between 1967 and the latest listing in 1984. Between 1967 and 1976 there is a C.A. MARKS listed at 67 Ashford Rd, Bearsted, Maidstone exchange, number 38711. Starting in 1967 there is a C.A. Marks, caterer, listed at 1 The Collonade, Ramsgate, Thanet exchange, number 53407. In 1969 there is a double listing that appears to indicate that C.A. Marks, caterer moved from 1 The Collonade, Ramsgate to 99 London Rd, Ramsgate, Thanet exchange, number 52509. This listing continues until 1980. Beginning in 1971 a C.A. MARKS is listed as a butcher at 9 Sun Street, Canterbury exchange, number 68171 and continues until 1978. Finally, a C.A. MARKS is listed at 2 Cornwall Clo, Westmorland Rd, Maidstone exchange, number 63722, and continues until 1984. There appear to be several different MARKS families residing in Thanet during this period. At present I have no information concerning any of these other MARKS families as possible relatives. It is highly likely that one of the above C.A. MARKS is my relative, whom I would dearly love to contact if he is in fact still living. On the down side, the on line BT Residential Directory does not list a C.A. MARKS. If anyone on the list can provide a lead to my MARKS relatives, I would be especially grateful. Regards, Joe

Hi Joe, I have some information on the Cottenham and Witchford Pigotts, which may be of use to Peter. COTTENHAM PIGOTTS: INDEX OF PIGOTTS BAPTISED IN COTTENHAM. BURIALS MARKED WITH AN * (to find records refer to Federation of Family Histories Family History Online website & IGI website) PIGGOT Mary 1767 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOT John 1768 (Baptised 7 Aug 1768 son of Robert & Elisabeth Parish Cottenham) PIGOT James 1770 PIGGOTT John 1774 PIGOT Christopher 1775 PIGOTT Philip 1775 (baptized 29 Oct 1775 son of John & Elisabeth Cottenham) PIGOT Jonathan 1776 PIGOT Joseph 1778 PIGOT Mary 1779 (parents John & Elizabeth) * BURIAL Name Robert PIGOT Date 21 May 1778 Aged 38 Place Cottenham Description All Saints Denomination Anglican County code CAM * BURIAL Name Robert PIGOT Date 2 Dec 1780 Aged 7 Place Cottenham Description All Saints Denomination Anglican County code CAM PIGOT Robert 1784 PIGOT Susan 1785 (parents John & Elizabeth) PIGOTT Elizabeth 1793 PIGOTT James 1803 (IGI James born 1800 parents James and Ann, brother Robert b. 1803) PIGOTT John 1803 (IGI John born 1797 parents James & Ann, brother Jonathan b. 1806) PIGGOTT Christi 1807 PIGGOTT Ann 1810 (parents Joseph & Rebecca) PIGGOTT Naomi 1820 (parents John & Susan) PIGGOTT John 1822 (parents John & Susan) PIGGOTT James 1822 (parents James & Ann) PIGGOTT Joseph 1825 (parents John & Susan) PIGGOTT William Cambridge 1827 (parents John & Susan) PIGGOTT Elizabeth 1828 (parents John and Susan) PIGGOTT John 1830 (parents Philip & Amy) PIGGOTT Mary 1830 (parents Philip & Amy) PIGGOT Christopher 1830 (parents Christopher & Judith nee Rayment) PIGGOT Emma 1830 (parents John and Susan) PIGGOT Alice 1833 (parents Joseph and Rebecca) PIGGOT Judith 1833 (parents Joseph & Rebecca) PIGGOT Rebecca 1833 (parents Joseph & Rebecca) PIGGOT Mary 1833 (parents Joseph & Rebecca) PIGGOT Esther 1835 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Gabriel 1835 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Harriett 1835 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Sarah 1835 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Elizabeth 1835 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Anne 1835 (parents Christopher & Judith nee Rayment) PIGGOTT Anna 1837 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Phillip 1838 (parents Phillip and Amy) PIGGOTT Lucy Ann 1841 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Robert 1842 (parents Robert & Elizabeth) PIGGOTT Ann 1843 (parents John & Mary nee Royston) PIGGOTT Sarah Ann 1850 (parents John & Mary nee Royston) PIGGOTT Eliza 1850 (parents John & Mary nee Royston) PIGGOTT Dorothy Rose 1893 PIGGOTT Florence Annie 1893 PIGGOTT Harry 1893 - Marriage PIGGOTT Rebecca 1844 Cottenham PIGOTT WILLS - COTTENHAM (held by the Cambridgeshire Records Office) Ann Pigott, wife of James, farmer 1817 Christopher Pigott, butcher 1822 John Pigott, farmer 1825 Joseph Piggot, carpenter 1829 Rebecca Pigott, wid. 1855 There is possibly a link between the Cottenham Pigotts and Witchford Pigotts WITCHFORD PIGOTTS: - William Pigott of Much Haddam Hertfordshire married Mary Moody 3 Aug 1678, Witchford. - John Pigott married 1702, Witchford - BURIAL John Pigott 11 Aug 1720, Witchford John Pigott, farmer, Witchford, left a will dated 1721 - John Pigott married Susanna Masters 1740, Witchford. Children: 1. Robert Pigot baptized 11 Jul 1742 son of John & Susanna ,Witchford. * possibly the Robert Pigott married to Elizabeth, & father of Mary & John Piggot born in Cottenham in 1767 & 1768. 2. Margaret baptized 10 Oct 1742 dau of John and Susanna, Witchford 3. Margaret baptized 29 Apr 1744 dau of John & Susanna, Witchford 4. Christopher b. 1748 ? 5. Susanna b. 1750 ? 6. Gabriel b 1752? Gabriel married to Elizabeth, daughter Margaret baptized 7 Nov 1784 Witchford. The name Gabriel appears amongst the Ely St Mary Pigotts: Gabriel Pigott married Elizabeth Houghton in Coveney in 1801 (IGI). Their children: Gabriel 1822, Louisa Maria 1818 & William Bradford 1815 were christened in Ely. 8. Jonathan 1754 ? The name Jonathan later appears amongst the Landbeach Pigotts. 9. William b. ? d. 16 May 1757 son of John & Susanna, Witchford 10. Henry baptized 24 Apr 1757 son of John & Susanna, Witchford. This is possibly the Henry Piggot bachelor of Ely St. Mary's who married Elizabeth Allen spinster of the parish of Wentworth 19 Dec 1779, Wentworth. 11. William b. 1759? Died 1 Sep 1760 son of John & Susanna Witchford COTTENHAM - HADDENHAM CONNECTION - Philip Pigott baptized 1775 (parents John & Elizabeth of Cottenham) could possibly be the Philip Pigott who married Amy Porter 21 May 1805 Haddenham (IGI). They lived in the hamlets of Adreth/Aldreth & Hillrow Haddenham . 3 daughters are recorded in the baptism index (Cambridgeshire Family History Society): Naomi b. 1806 d. 1806 Aldreth Haddenham, Susan b. 1807 Aldreth Haddenham, Mary b. 1809 d. 1809 Hillrow, Haddenham. Jen N.S.W. Aust

Hi Joe, Nick Rule was able to aquire the first page of the will of William Pigott of Ely, Butcher, dated 1782. Below is a transcript: Will of William Pigott of Ely (Butcher) - Page 1 In the name of God amen I William Pigott of Ely in the Isle of Ely and County of Cambridge Butcher being sick and weak in body but of sound mind memory and understanding praised be God for it Do make publish and declare this my last will and testament in manner and form following first of all I give and devise unto my dear wife Elizabeth Pigott all that my freehold lot in Mow Fen containing by estimation six acres be the same more or less situate standing lying and being in Littleport in the said Isle of Ely and also all that my copyhold lot fen and marsh ground called Sandhill containing by estimation three acres be the same more or less in Littleport aforesaid and also all that my copyhold shop situate and being in the Market Place in Ely aforesaid next a shop which I purchased of Martha Pigott and also all that my copyhold shop situate and being in the Market Place in Ely aforesaid which I purchased of Martha Pigott next the house of Mary Negus/all which said copyhold lot of fen or marsh ground called Sandhill and the two shops in the Market Place in Ely aforesaid I have surrendered to the use of my last will and testament /for and during the term of the natural life of my said dear wife Elizabeth Pigott and from and immediately after her decease I give and devise all that my freehold lot in Mow fen above mentioned and also all that my copyhold lot fen or marsh ground called Sandhill above mentioned unto my eldest daughter Elizabeth Pigott and to her heirs and assigns forever subject to the mortgage on the same. - Nick & I believe that this William Pigott was the William Pigott baptised 1 Jan 1714/15 Ely Holy Trinity, to parents Henry & Mary Pigott (nee Grymer). - William Piggott (BT Piggott) married Elizabeth Atkin 30 May 1738 EHT - Martha Pigott, widow, married William Drage, bachelor, surgeon, 25 Oct 1768 EHT. Martha Pigott could have been the sister-in-law of William Pigott: possibly married to William's brother Henry Pigott (baptised 24 Oct 1707 EHT died 2 Nov 1758 EHT). He was, like William, a butcher, but no marriage record for Henry has been found. - Elizabeth Piggott daugher of William & Elizabeth baptised 11 Jun 1745 EHT. Elizabeth Pigott, spinster, married Highmore Skeats, bachelor, by licence 22 Jun 1786 EHT. Witnesses Granado Pigott & Sarah Pigott. Item I give and devise unto my eldest son William Pigott from and immediately after the decease of my said dear wife Elizabeth Pigott all that my copyhold shop situate and being in the Market place in Ely aforesaid next the shop which I purchased of Martha Pigott and to his heirs and assigns forever - William Piggott son of William and Elizabeth baptised 27 May 1740 EHT. William the younger Pigott, bachelor, married Sarah Watson, spinster, 29 Nov 1767 EHT. William Pigott buried 25 July 1798 age 58 yrs butcher EHT. Item I give and devise unto my son Granado Pigott from and immediately after the decease of my said dear wife Elizabeth all that my copyhold shop situate and being in the Market place in Ely aforesaid which I purchased of Martha Pigott next the house of Mary Negus as it stands altered and to his heirs and assigns for ever - Granado Piggott son of William and Elizabeth baptised 1 Jan 1742 EHT. Grenado Piggott buried 1825 aged 83 EHT. Item I give and bequeath unto my said son Granado Pigott one hundred pounds for his own use absolutely to be... end of page 1 Witness ... .... ... Haylock ... .... Margaret Wade signed W Pigott I assume that on the missing page 2 of William's will he refers to his other children: Mary Pigott christened 10 Dec 1751 EHT Richard Pigott christened 22 Nov 1753 EHT Margaret Pigott christened 13 Feb 1756 EHT Richard Pigott b. 1753 EHT was a solicitor who married Sarah Haylock 18 Nov 1783 in Downham Cambridgeshire. They also named a son Granado christened 16 Aug 1785 EHT. In Margery Minnett's notes (which can be acquired from the Cambridgeshire Record Office Archives) she explains the relationship between the Minett family and the Ely Pigotts, in particular the Grenado Pigott b. 1785. This Granado "was a farmer living in St. Mary's Street and no trace can be found of a marriage" pg 123. She goes on to explain that he had a housekeeper named "Sarah Haylock" (interestingly his mother's name) otherwise known as "Sarah Newell" who was present at his death, giving her mark. Granado owned farming land around Ely and left in his will: "all and singular my messuages, lands, tenements and hereditaments whatsoever wheresoever unto my brother Henry Pigott his heirs and assigns for ever, subject nevertheless to and charged and chargeable with the payment of the sum of one thousand pounds unto Sarah daughter of my housekeeper Sarah Haylock otherwise Sarah Newell on her attaining the age of 21 years and also with the payment of the sum of five hundred pounds unto my said housekeeper Sarah Haylock otherwise Newell within 6 months after my decease. Also I give and bequeath all my ready money and all my household furniture, wearing apparel, plate, linen and china unto my said housekeeper for her own use, benefit and disposal" Margery Minett's notes page 123 - Henry Pigott son of Richard and Sarah baptised 16 Jan 1784 EHT - from the christening record of the housekeeper's daughter (see below - also listed in the IGI records), Sarah Haylock/Newell, the housekeeper, was a spinster and went by the name "Newell" on her daughter's christening record. So I looked for birth records for both Sarah Newell and Sarah Haylock: * Sarah Newell daughter of Jeremiah and Lydia Newell christened 26 OCT 1797 Haddenham, Cambridge, England (IGI) * Sarah Newell daughter of William and Elizabeth Newell christened 26 DEC 1784 Trinity, Ely, Cambridge, England (IGI) * approximately 7 Sarah Haylocks baptized in the Ely area between 1776 & 1793 (IGI) - It is obvious from the Minett notes that Margery was unaware that Granado's mother's maiden name was Haylock. From my research of the Haylocks, Granado Pigott didn't have any Haylock first cousins. So if his housekeeper was a "Haylock" then she could have been a distant cousin. She could also (but I feel it unlikely) have been a half sister, although I have found no record of Granado's mother Sarah having had an illegitimate child prior to her marriage to Richard Pigott in 1783. - Sarah Newell baptised 12 Aug 1817 Born - - - Name Sarah NEWELL son/dau of dau of Father - Mother Sarah Residence - Father Occupation sp Notes - Parish Ely, St Mary (Federation of family histories family history online). I propose that this is the daughter of the housekeeper Sarah Haylock/Newell. Margery Minett writes that when the daughter "married Thomas Waters Minett in 1843, they called their eldest son Granado Pigott and one does wonder if Sarah was, in fact, the natural daughter of the well-to-do farmer. However I personally tend to think that she was just the illegitimate daughter of his housekeeper and was brought up all her life in his house.Sarah must have been proud of her connection with the Pigotts and so was her son Granado, for he was always known as Pigott and passed the name down to his eldest son, christening him Edward Pigott Minett." Margery Minett's notes page 123. - Granado Pegott Minett son of Thomas Waters Minett and Sarah b. 24 OCT 1843 c. 20 NOV 1843 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England (IGI) Margery also mentions another connection between the name Minett and Pigott: in 1859 a Jane Minett of Birmingham spinster and domestic servant had a daughter called Agnes Pigott who died in 1859. Jen N.S.W. Aust

Hi Joe, I've been lurking for quite some time so thought it was about time I posted to the list. I'm looking for information on Piggotts in Cottenham, Cambs, UK. My great grandfather was Christopher William Piggott, born in Cottenham 1864 and married to Caroline Moore. His Father was Joseph Piggott, who appears to have been born in Cottenham (1837). Interestingly he moved to Finsbury, London and then later to Toxteth Park in Liverpool. I would love to be able find any information regarding his moves to London and Liverpool especially as Christopher remained in Cottenham as an apprentice. Both Joseph and Christopher were carpenter/joiners. Joseph parents were, I believe, Christopher Piggott and Judith Rayment. I have seen further information that alludes to Christopher marrying for a second time, possibly to a Rebecca, also from Cottenham but unfortunately it's been a while since I looked at those notes so I don't know where I found that info. Although I'm not related to the Ely Piggotts, as someone living in the Ely area the information provided by Nick Rule and Dave Blyth has been a very interesting read, so thanks for that. Regards, PeterP

Joe,   Many thanks for your message.   The Sydney Morning Herald of today's date (8 Jan 2009) carried this notice:   "PIGOTT, Elizabeth Nancy (Betty), (nee GORRIE). "Widow of Henry Robert PIGOTT; late of Wollstonecraft. Lovingly remembered by her children John, Bill, Peter, Frank (Mac), Elizabeth, Chris and Johanna, their respective spouses and partners Edith, Leslie, Andrew and Todd, her grandchildren Linda, Emma, David, Michael, Peter, Harry, James and Joey, and her great-grand-daughters Sammy & Anna. Died peacefully on January 6, 2009, aged 94.   "Profound thanks to the staff at Chatswood Community Nursing Home.   "Relatives and friends are invited to attend BETTY's funeral service to be held in the Allen Drew Heritage Chapel, 221 Old Northern Rd, Castle Hill, on Monday (January 12, 2009), commencing at 12 noon. Following the service, the cortege will proceed to Castle Hill Cemetery.   "Donations to Vision Australia in lieu of flowers."   With gratitude for a beautiful life.   Chris PIGOTT. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox