James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census she would have been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age the attract a young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time would have right in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) A year here are there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's death certificate shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older then James and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely matches the family as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in 1870 and Millie 1880. If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the father of Carrie. It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be so close in names and dates. John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill (Behee Mill?) in Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. 1827." This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the 1850 federal census of Huntington, Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: Barney, John age 52 Barney, Sarah age 41 Barney, Charles age 20 Barney, Elizabeth age 17 Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) Barney, Mary age 6 Barney, John age 3 In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer Sarah Hoyt 25 F Adelia Hoyt 2 F Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) Oliver Sharps 12 M On the 1870 Census Plymouth Township Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) George E 13 M W PA (1857) Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) On the 1880 Census 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the times. **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father Please Help David C. Piatt Shelby Twp. Mich.