Well, that certainly complicates the situation. What are the chances that two woman named Ellen would been married first to a Piatt and then to a Louden! Just because someone never mentioned sisters doesn't mean there weren't any - I was just surprised that she wouldn't have an eight year old one year, but, would have an 18 year old the next. Perhaps they were step-children or adopted? Maybe they lived with other family members at various times? Very confusing to have so many details that don't tie together neatly. I'll probably keep thinking about it - whether I want to or not. ha ha . Marianne On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:46 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Marianne, > Thank you for you reply, like you said I'm keeping a open mind. > I have a photo copy of her Obituary and I can say that Ellen Barney > married James Piatt and Moses Lowden. But you rite > I don't have any girls born to Ellen. I'll keep looking > > Thank You > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marianne Pyeatt <mcpgene@excite.com> > To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt > > > > Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an > > outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen > Piatt > > from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a > > daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were > marrying > > a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as > > possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How > > sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or > > headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't > > always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you > had > > it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would > have > > been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very > > close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would > > also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in > > 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are > usually > > first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take > a > > stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children - > > possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it > > as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you > > keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you > to > > possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be > more > > help. Marianne > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad > > > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census > she > > would have > > > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age > > the attract a > > > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time > > would have right > > > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) > A > > year here are > > > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. > > > > > > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's > death > > certificate > > > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older > > then James > > > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely > > matches the family > > > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. > > > > > > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in > > 1870 and Millie 1880. > > > > > > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the > father > > of Carrie. > > > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be > so > > close in names and dates. > > > > > > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill > > (Behee Mill?) in > > > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. > > 1827." > > > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the > > > 1850 federal census of > > > Huntington, > > > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: > > > Barney, John age 52 > > > Barney, Sarah age 41 > > > Barney, Charles age 20 > > > Barney, Elizabeth age 17 > > > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) > > > Barney, Mary age 6 > > > Barney, John age 3 > > > > > > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 > > > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer > > > Sarah Hoyt 25 F > > > Adelia Hoyt 2 F > > > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F > > > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) > > > Oliver Sharps 12 M > > > > > > On the 1870 Census > > > Plymouth Township > > > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) > > > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) > > > George E 13 M W PA (1857) > > > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) > > > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) > > > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) > > > > > > > > > On the 1880 Census > > > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania > > > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA > > > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* > > > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) > > > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) > > > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) > > > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** > > > > > > > > > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age > > > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the > times. > > > > > > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father > > > > > > Please Help > > > > > > David C. Piatt > > > Shelby Twp. 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