Marianne, Thank you for you reply, like you said I'm keeping a open mind. I have a photo copy of her Obituary and I can say that Ellen Barney married James Piatt and Moses Lowden. But you rite I don't have any girls born to Ellen. I'll keep looking Thank You Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Marianne Pyeatt <mcpgene@excite.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt > Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an > outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen Piatt > from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a > daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were marrying > a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as > possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How > sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or > headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't > always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you had > it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would have > been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very > close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would > also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in > 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are usually > first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take a > stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children - > possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it > as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you > keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you to > possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be more > help. Marianne > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad > > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census she > would have > > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age > the attract a > > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time > would have right > > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) A > year here are > > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. > > > > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's death > certificate > > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older > then James > > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely > matches the family > > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. > > > > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in > 1870 and Millie 1880. > > > > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the father > of Carrie. > > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be so > close in names and dates. > > > > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill > (Behee Mill?) in > > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. > 1827." > > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the > > 1850 federal census of > > Huntington, > > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: > > Barney, John age 52 > > Barney, Sarah age 41 > > Barney, Charles age 20 > > Barney, Elizabeth age 17 > > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) > > Barney, Mary age 6 > > Barney, John age 3 > > > > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 > > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer > > Sarah Hoyt 25 F > > Adelia Hoyt 2 F > > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F > > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) > > Oliver Sharps 12 M > > > > On the 1870 Census > > Plymouth Township > > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) > > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) > > George E 13 M W PA (1857) > > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) > > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) > > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) > > > > > > On the 1880 Census > > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania > > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA > > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* > > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) > > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) > > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) > > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** > > > > > > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age > > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the times. > > > > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father > > > > Please Help > > > > David C. Piatt > > Shelby Twp. 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