MARIANNE -- The more wagons, the better. But they do get rather bulky, don't they. Following are those who appear to be children of Jacob PYEATT (bc1792 PA or MO, d1827 MO), with their birth year, birth info (and father's and mother's birthplace) death info, and spouse: John, bc1817 MO, married Julia (INKS?) Sarah, b1817 MO/PA/KY, married Wilson SLEDD Jane, b1819 MO/PA/KY, married Marshall SLEDD female, bc1820 (? perhaps Mariah, who married August WENGLER ?) Elisha, b1824 MO/PA/KY, d1890 St. Louis, married Frances [SLEDD?] Agnes, b1824 MO/MO/MO, d1901 St. Louis, married Frederick WENGLER James Benton, b1827, dc1926 TX, married Margaret J. WARREN William D., b1832 MO/MO/VA, d1912 MO, married Diana HORNSBY Andrew McClure, b1834 MO/MO/KY, d1898 AZ, married Lavinia Mary BIRCHETT Only the last three are unequivocally children of Jacob PYEATT. We can only make educated guesses about the others. That all 9 of these were children of Jacob is consistent with the data for his households in the 1830 and 1840 census records for St. Louis County, MO, though there is the possibility that the older ones (or some of them) had a different father. Notice that the older ones said their father was born in Pennsylvania. This could make them children of John PYEATT (bc1765, probably in Path Valley, Pennsylvania, d1827 MO); however, none of them were named in his estate records. (Another Jane, who married Samuel GREEN, was clearly a daughter of John PYEATT.) It is possible that Jacob PYEATT, who was the oldest son of John PYEATT, was born in or near Washington County, Pennsylvania, and that his younger children (or their spouses) did not realize it. Or, the older children might just have been referring to the family's Pennsylvania origins. I suppose it is possible that Jacob's brother younger Benjamin PYEATT was the father, but there is no evidence to suggest so. Jacob's younger brother Christopher PYEATT was apparently born in Missouri, although two of his daughters reported to the census taker that he was born in France! Olivia (INKS?) PYEATT was born in Kentucky and so could be the mother of all 9 children, but whether she was Jacob's only wife is unclear. The oldest, John PYEATT (bc1817), did name a daughter Olivia (b1842, aka Polly), which hints that Olivia was mother of all of them. I know some say Agnes (PYEATT) WENGLER was the daughter of John PYEATT (bc1765), but I think he was her grandfather. Unless there was an undocumented John (son of John) who died early as you suggest, I think it more likely her father was Jacob. But since Jacob left for Texas when Agnes's oldest children were still babies, the Wengler family may have forgotten his identity. (Agnes did name a son Jacob Henry WENGLER, b1851 or b1853, but of course he could have been a namesake of either her father or her brother.) There is a puzzle here. Why did Jacob and Olivia, with their older sons and daughters married, take off for Texas with their three youngest sons, aged about 16, 18, and 23 -- apparently leaving children and grandchildren behind? We may never know. If you can find death certificates or obituaries for any of these, you might uncover some more information. However, for the older ones there are positive death dates only for Elisha and Agnes. I don't know where I found the 1890 death date for Elisha. For Agnes see the St. Louis Post Dispatch death notice: WENGLER, AGNES 3/20/1901 WENGLER, WILLIAM C. 10/12/1901 (son of Agnes) (Source: http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit01c.htm) Regarding the others you mentioned, here is the reconstruction that appears MOST likely to me: Elisha F. PYEATT, b1840, son of John PYEATT and Julia (INKS?) m1 c1870 = Margaret (HAMILTON?) m2 1881 = Mary MEYER This is presmulably the Elisha you have listed as a member of the Missouri 3rd Cavalry, Co K/B, of the Union Army and who is listed on the Missouri Veterans Schedule 1890. (Source: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/cw.html) He appears on the census for Franklin County, MO, in 1870, 1880, 1900, and 1920. Following is the 1920 record: -- Pyeatt, Elijah age 82 born MO (Did not abstract others - included with Fred Hirth as a boarder) (This family enumerated 33/53/6/82) Another 1920 census record, for Washington County, AR, ED 55, may be the same person: -- Pyeatt, Elijah age 82 born MO (Emumerated as a boarder on page 149) (Source: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/1920cen.html Mary Fier Allen m1 1856 = David HILDEBRAND (d1860) m2 1864 = Henry A. PYEATT, bc1833, son of Christopher PYEATT and ?? (his first wife) m3 1875 = Nathaniel G. CALDWELL Mary appears on the 1860 census as Hildebrand, 1870 as Pyeatt, and 1880 and 1900 as Caldwell. The Pyatts who married in Gasconade County, MO, in 1837 (Belinda B. Pyatt who married Samuel H. Clubb and Rebecca J. Pyatt who married Hosea H. Bridges) were from Illinois, apparently daughters of Henry PYATT (son of Ebenezer) or one of his brothers. Happy hunting. -- JOHN At 08:31 AM 8/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >John, > As usual, I feel as though I am just grasping at straws on a wagon which >you've already loaded. I have seen the John and Elisha Piatt/Pyeatt, but, >have never been able to tie them to any family. What is your source for >Elisha b: 1824 being the son of Jacob and Olivia? It does seem to fit the >census enumeration (I have as an unidentified male) for the 1830 and 1840 >census for Jacob. I know there are other sons/daughters that I haven't >discovered yet. I only know about William Dudley, Andrew McClure and James >Benton. John was not given as an heir to John who died c1827, however, I had >considered that he might be one of the people in Jacob and Olivia's >household in 1840. However, in 1830, Jacob had only one male child under >five. So, if he had sons James Benton age 3 and John age 1 - why were they >not both enumerated? Do you have any possible names of Jacob and Olivia's >daughters? I note in Franklin County, MO, >Elisha Pyatt married Mary Meyer 05-17-1881 and Mary F Pyeatt married >Nathaniel G Caldwell 12-09-1875. Is this the same Elisha and a relative? And >in Gasconade County, MO, Belinda B Pyatt married Samuel H Clubb 12-07-1837 >and Rebecca J Pyatt married Hosea H Bridges 12-07-1837. Since these are so >early in Missouri, I've always wondered if they were connected to John. >However, there is no mention in his estate so they weren't his heirs. Do you >know if they were his grandchildren? Could they belong to Jacob and Olivia? >Also, St. Louis Co, MO, Sarah Pyeatt married Wilson Sledo 11-14-1836 and you >seem to know where she fits in and Agnes Pyatt (daughter of John Pyatt) and >Fredrick Wengler 1842 (Per Scharf's "History of St. Louis City & County", >Vol. 2, 1883). The only way that I can see her connection to our John would >be if she was the daughter of John Piatt who was a son of John Piatt and >that her father died before 1827 when John Sr. estate was administered. >Anyway, as usual, I have more questions than answers. If you can tell me how >these people might possibly be related, I will start looking for wills, etc. >to prove same. Thanks again! Marianne