Joe Kearney and I did considerable research on "John of France" and here is the conclusion we came up with regarding the matter. As there was NO other data to support the title, we went by the facts of reading about many persons is early NJ. People did connect others by using where they came from and there was others with different titles using a place. Therefore, I believe Elise is totally correct with her assumption and reasoning per her email of 4/21/01. Dick Piatt West Chester, PA.