I understand that Dinah PYATT was Jonathan MARTIN's third wife, do you know if Elizabeth DUNHAM was his 1st or 2nd, and do you have the name of his other wife? David C. Piatt Shelby Twp., Mich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMechlingB@aol.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [PIATT] all the Elizabeth DUNHAM!! > Oh, boy, you opened a barrel of Elizabeths! > I once did a printout from the IGI of Elizabeth DUNHAMs and it took > SEVERAL pages. This was in an attempt to help determine the parentage of the > Elizabeth DUNHAM who married Jacob MARTIN, my 5th great grandparents. Hasn't > helped, YET!! > Here are just a few that we have -- from our MARTIN history, compiled by > Louise MARTIN MOHLER: > "Elizabeth DUNHAM, Jacob's wife (yes, s/o Jonathan MARTIN), has been given > various parents and at this point we are not sure just exactly who her > parents were. We do know she is not the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Dinah FITZ > RANDOLPH. She had been previously listed as the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and > Mary DUNN and now we find that has never been substantiated. There are a > number of Elizabeth DUNHAMs to choose from which makes it more difficult. > Jacob's father, Jonathan MARTIN married Elizabeth DUNHAM, his uncle Jacob > PIATT/PYATT married Elizabeth DUNHAM and Jacob himself married an Elizabeth > DUNHAM (as written above). > Benajah DUNN married Elizabeth DUNHAM d/o of Edmund and Dinah FITZ > RANDOLPH." > Too bad some of them didn't go by distinctive name, as Big Elizabeth, Red > Elizabeth... men did, why not the gals!? (^.^) > Well that's my two cents worth, if it helps anyone. > Best to all, > Caral MECHLING BENNETT > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Postings that have all SURNAMES in ALL CAPS are easier > to skim. And descriptive Subject line help, too. > Send postings to PIATT-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

I have Elizabeth DUNHAM as his first wife. Born 26 Nov 1689, d. abt 1713. Second wife Martha RUNYON. Joann ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Piatt" <dpiatt2@home.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [PIATT] all the Elizabeth DUNHAM!! > I understand that Dinah PYATT was Jonathan MARTIN's third wife, do you know > if Elizabeth DUNHAM was his 1st or 2nd, and do you have the name of his > other wife? > > David C. Piatt > Shelby Twp., Mich. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CMechlingB@aol.com> > To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:15 AM > Subject: [PIATT] all the Elizabeth DUNHAM!! > > > > Oh, boy, you opened a barrel of Elizabeths! > > I once did a printout from the IGI of Elizabeth DUNHAMs and it took > > SEVERAL pages. This was in an attempt to help determine the parentage of > the > > Elizabeth DUNHAM who married Jacob MARTIN, my 5th great grandparents. > Hasn't > > helped, YET!! > > Here are just a few that we have -- from our MARTIN history, compiled > by > > Louise MARTIN MOHLER: > > "Elizabeth DUNHAM, Jacob's wife (yes, s/o Jonathan MARTIN), has been > given > > various parents and at this point we are not sure just exactly who her > > parents were. We do know she is not the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Dinah > FITZ > > RANDOLPH. She had been previously listed as the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and > > Mary DUNN and now we find that has never been substantiated. There are a > > number of Elizabeth DUNHAMs to choose from which makes it more difficult. > > Jacob's father, Jonathan MARTIN married Elizabeth DUNHAM, his uncle > Jacob > > PIATT/PYATT married Elizabeth DUNHAM and Jacob himself married an > Elizabeth > > DUNHAM (as written above). > > Benajah DUNN married Elizabeth DUNHAM d/o of Edmund and Dinah FITZ > > RANDOLPH." > > Too bad some of them didn't go by distinctive name, as Big Elizabeth, > Red > > Elizabeth... men did, why not the gals!? (^.^) > > Well that's my two cents worth, if it helps anyone. > > Best to all, > > Caral MECHLING BENNETT > > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > > Postings that have all SURNAMES in ALL CAPS are easier > > to skim. And descriptive Subject line help, too. > > Send postings to PIATT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Remember, the best way to solve your mysteries is to post > queries early and often! We're getting new subscribers daily, > the newest member may have your answers! > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01

One of the unknown children of Rene Pyatt was ANN married to JOSEPH DRAKE. She was thought to be a twin sister to brother JAMES. Elizabeth DUNHAM wife of Jacob PIATT is thought to be the daughter of DAVIS and REBECCA DUNHAM. There is much research to be done yet on the Martin-Dunham-Drake-Dunn families where Piatt-Pyatt ties into the families. Richard O. Piatt West Chester, PA.

--WebTV-Mail-14885-65 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Which are there more of, Elizabeth DUNHAMs, or Jacob PIATTs (PYATT, PYEATT), and how many of the Elizabeth DUNHAMs are related to each other? Just wondering . . . And what relationship with Rev, Jonathan DUNHAM, husband of Joan PIATT (d/o Ren=E9 PIATT+ Elizabeth SHEFFIELD), he of the lineage back to Rollo the Dane, 860 - 932 ? We may need some help in here. . . Ed --WebTV-Mail-14885-65 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by storefull-296.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 29893BF8; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: ned_ludd@webtv.net Received: from lists7.rootsweb.com (lists7.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.56]) by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C543E2270; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists7.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4GBFRa05290; Wed, 16 May 2001 05:15:27 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:15:27 -0600 X-Original-Sender: CMechlingB@aol.com Wed May 16 05:15:25 2001 From: CMechlingB@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.15d542be.2833bb46@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:15:18 EDT Old-To: PIATT-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Subject: [PIATT] all the Elizabeth DUNHAM!! Resent-Message-ID: <1wwRQB.A.cSB.OFmA7@lists7.rootsweb.com> To: PIATT-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PIATT-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PIATT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/536 X-Loop: PIATT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PIATT-L-request@rootsweb.com Oh, boy, you opened a barrel of Elizabeths! I once did a printout from the IGI of Elizabeth DUNHAMs and it took SEVERAL pages. This was in an attempt to help determine the parentage of the Elizabeth DUNHAM who married Jacob MARTIN, my 5th great grandparents. Hasn't helped, YET!! Here are just a few that we have -- from our MARTIN history, compiled by Louise MARTIN MOHLER: "Elizabeth DUNHAM, Jacob's wife (yes, s/o Jonathan MARTIN), has been given various parents and at this point we are not sure just exactly who her parents were. We do know she is not the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Dinah FITZ RANDOLPH. She had been previously listed as the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Mary DUNN and now we find that has never been substantiated. There are a number of Elizabeth DUNHAMs to choose from which makes it more difficult. Jacob's father, Jonathan MARTIN married Elizabeth DUNHAM, his uncle Jacob PIATT/PYATT married Elizabeth DUNHAM and Jacob himself married an Elizabeth DUNHAM (as written above). Benajah DUNN married Elizabeth DUNHAM d/o of Edmund and Dinah FITZ RANDOLPH." Too bad some of them didn't go by distinctive name, as Big Elizabeth, Red Elizabeth... men did, why not the gals!? (^.^) Well that's my two cents worth, if it helps anyone. Best to all, Caral MECHLING BENNETT ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== Postings that have all SURNAMES in ALL CAPS are easier to skim. And descriptive Subject line help, too. Send postings to PIATT-L@rootsweb.com ============================== Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life If you know how to reduce these risks. http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html --WebTV-Mail-14885-65--

Oh, boy, you opened a barrel of Elizabeths! I once did a printout from the IGI of Elizabeth DUNHAMs and it took SEVERAL pages. This was in an attempt to help determine the parentage of the Elizabeth DUNHAM who married Jacob MARTIN, my 5th great grandparents. Hasn't helped, YET!! Here are just a few that we have -- from our MARTIN history, compiled by Louise MARTIN MOHLER: "Elizabeth DUNHAM, Jacob's wife (yes, s/o Jonathan MARTIN), has been given various parents and at this point we are not sure just exactly who her parents were. We do know she is not the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Dinah FITZ RANDOLPH. She had been previously listed as the dtr. of Edmund DUNHAM and Mary DUNN and now we find that has never been substantiated. There are a number of Elizabeth DUNHAMs to choose from which makes it more difficult. Jacob's father, Jonathan MARTIN married Elizabeth DUNHAM, his uncle Jacob PIATT/PYATT married Elizabeth DUNHAM and Jacob himself married an Elizabeth DUNHAM (as written above). Benajah DUNN married Elizabeth DUNHAM d/o of Edmund and Dinah FITZ RANDOLPH." Too bad some of them didn't go by distinctive name, as Big Elizabeth, Red Elizabeth... men did, why not the gals!? (^.^) Well that's my two cents worth, if it helps anyone. Best to all, Caral MECHLING BENNETT

Posted on: PIATT Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/p/i/PIATT/queries/10020 Surname: Piatt ------------------------- My maternal grandfather was Benjamin Franklin Piatt and my grandmother was Nettie Outhier Piatt. They were born smoewhere in Iowa and I would like to know the city/town. Benjamin, b. March 17, 1872. Nettie, b. April 6, 1879. I would also like to know where/when they were married. They had my mother, Helen Marguerite Piatt Harriman, in Fresno, CA in 1905. Since Benjamin and Nettie were both from Iowa, I presume that they met and married there. Thanks, Jim Harriman

For Joann, JACOB PIATT (s/o of Rene Piatt and Elizabeth Sheffield) married MARY HULL. They had at least 9 children with the eldest being DINAH PIATT, b Feb 1703/04, Piscataway NJ; dd 1789; m c1722, Piscataway NJ, to JONATHAN MARTIN as his third wife. It would seem that their son JACOB MARTIN would be the one you have marrying ELIZABETH DUNHAM. And I have no doubt that there was more than one Elizabeth Dunham as Dunhams were numerous in New Jersey. -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

> Is anyone on this list also on a DUNHAM > list? Jacob Piatt (III), grandson of Jacob (I) above, and who died in 1784 in > Washington Co PA, married Elizabeth Dunham. > > -- > Laverne Ingram Piatt > Ontario, OH > Laverne, I'm also on the DUNHAM list... I have Jacob MARTIN, s/o Jonathan MARTIN and Dinah PIATT marrying an Elizabeth DUNHAM. Could you help clear this up for me? Joann My genealogy is based on information received from family recollections, interviews, phone calls, letters, mailing lists, books internet sites and the hard work of others. My info. should only be used as a guide and any information should be confirmed by you. This is a work in progress and any corrections or additions are greatly appreciated. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01

Children of Rene Piatt Piatt Family Newsletter, Volulme 1, 1986, gives 9 possible children for Rene, not all named: 1. JACOB, b 31 Oct 1678, Woodbridge, NJ; d after 1750; m 7 Jun 1703, Piscataway NJ, Mary HULL 2. REGNIER, JR, b c1679/80, Piscataway NJ 3. THOMAS, b 11 May 1681, Piscataway NJ; d 1706; m 1 Feb 1699/1700, Piscataway NJ, Mercy HULL 4. JAMES, b c1683, Piscataway NJ; m Elizabeth _____; (called "Plat;" apprenticed to James Many in 1701 for 6 years 5. FRANCIS, b c1685, perhaps Flushing NY; lived beyond 1701, at least 6. SAMUEL, b c1687, Flushing NY? 7. ? 8. ? 9. JANE/JOAN, b 15 Sep 1795, Flushing NY?; d 15 Sep 1779, bur Dunham Burial Ground, Piscataway NJ; m 15 Aug 1714, Piscataway NJ, Rev Jonathan DUNHAM I don't know why there are two unnamed children suspected here. To my memory I've seen no Piatt research in Flushing NY published. At the time of Rene's death in 1705 Jacob would have been 27; Regnier Jr, 25; Thomas, 24; James, 22; Frances, 20; Samuel, 18; Jane, 10. Is anyone on this list also on a DUNHAM list? Jacob Piatt (III), grandson of Jacob (I) above, and who died in 1784 in Washington Co PA, married Elizabeth Dunham. -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

I understand that Rene Piatt and Elizabeth Sheffield had eight children. The only one that I am aware of is Jacob, whom I descended from. Could you please give me information on the other 7 children??? I would sincerely appreciate this! Thanks, Jim Harriman

Jim Harriman, Rene was born in France. He died in Piscataway, Middlesex Co., New Jersey. Dick Piatt

>From Volume 10 of the Piatt Family Newsletter, 1990, I would like to quote Larry L Piatt, a well-respected genealogist of Utah, writing on the possible origins of Rene' Piatt. "Orra Eugene Monnette in his MONNET FAMILY GENEALOGY, published in 1911 identified RENATUS FLEURISSON of the London denization lists as the same man as RENE PIATT alias LAFLEUR (etc) of Woodbridge-Piscataway NJ. On the surface this identification appears both plausible and likely. "Denization was meted out to individials by letters-patent from the King (or his representative) or by private acts of Parliament. In the first process the procedure began with the Kings' Letter addressed to the Attorney-General or to the Solicitor-General containing the name (or names) of the person(s) in whose favor the Grant of Denization was to be drawn out. The Grant was then recorded on a Patent-Roll in the Latin language. "It is clear that the lists of those naturalized by royal letters-patent included both those French Protestants residing in England and those residing "within her dominions," including America. Several thousand Franch Protestant exiles were accepted by England in the time period just before and after Revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685. Lists of the French refugees exist in the form of Letters of Denization. "Although Piat is a name of high frequency in some areaas of France, no Piat or equivalent names appear on the lists. However, FLEURY and FLEURISSON appear on lists under the dates: 08 Mar 1862 - Louis Fleurisson Daniel Fleury Daniel Fleury and sons, Daniel and James Jeanne 15 Apr 1678 - Louis Fleury (clerk) and wife, Esther; son, Philip-Amaury; daughters, Esther and Mary 05 Jan 1678/8 - Renatus Fleury Peter Fleurisson 21 Mar 1687/8 - Renatus Fleurisson 10 Oct 1688 - Daniel Fleurisson and wife, Jane "The two occurrences of the name Renatus Fleury or Fleurisson raise the question of whether they refer to two individuals, or if his name inadvertently appeared twice. "Louis Fleurrison of the 1682 list may be the man of that name, age 26 in 1681, a surgeon from Roian en Santonge. "Daniel Fleurisson and wife Jane of the 1688 list appear to be the Daniel and Jane (Bernard) Flury who appear as parents of the following children on the LDS International Genealogical Index for Great Britain: Jeanne Fleury, chr 30 Apr 1676 Walloon or Strangers Church, Canterbury, Kent; Jacob Fleury, chr 25 Aug 1678, same church as above; Abraham Fleury, chr 16 Apr 1682, Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church, London Judit(h) Fleury, chr 27 May 1683, Threadneedle St etc; Jane Judith Fleury, chr 24 Jun 1686, Threadneedle St etc; (For the last 2 children the mother is listed as Marie Bernard.)" And of course, all of the given names used above, except Esther and Judith, were used by early generations of Piatts in the colonies. -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

Jim, Rene/Reynier is my 8G grandfather. I have always used Dauphine, France as his birth place. I show he d. 16 Oct 1705, Piscataway, Middlesex County, New Jersey. He m. 13 Dec 1677, Woodbridge, Middlesex County, New Jersey, Elizabeth SHEFFIELD, b. abt 1654, Flushing, Long Island, New York. Elizabeth d. aft 1705, Piscataway, Middlesex Co., NJ. I show they had 8 children, two of which Jane & Joan were twins. It is through Jane that I descend. What can I help you with? Joann in Wyoming. My genealogy is based on information received from family recollections, interviews, phone calls, letters, mailing lists, books internet sites and the hard work of others. My info. should only be used as a guide and any information should be confirmed by you. This is a work in progress and any corrections or additions are greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JRH89088@aol.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: [PIATT] Rene Pyatt > I have not been a subscriber to the Piatt Digest for long, so may be > confused. Originally I received the information from the Digest that Reyneir > (Rene) Pyatt was born in (about) 1650 in Dauphine Province, France. "Family > Search" says that he was born 1) in about 1650 in Piscataway, Middlesex, > Mass. or 2) in/about 1651 in Middlesex, N.J. Any clarification??? Also - > did he die in Middlesex Co., N.Y. or N.J.???? Any information on his wife: > Elizabeth Sheffield?? > > Thanks, > Jim Harriman > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Thought for the day: Any ancestor you identify today is > just two more you have to identify tomorrow... > Keep up the good work! > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01

I have not been a subscriber to the Piatt Digest for long, so may be confused. Originally I received the information from the Digest that Reyneir (Rene) Pyatt was born in (about) 1650 in Dauphine Province, France. "Family Search" says that he was born 1) in about 1650 in Piscataway, Middlesex, Mass. or 2) in/about 1651 in Middlesex, N.J. Any clarification??? Also - did he die in Middlesex Co., N.Y. or N.J.???? Any information on his wife: Elizabeth Sheffield?? Thanks, Jim Harriman

For Anne, I can't explain why some of the early lines got confused but it seems that this is what has happened to these Piatt listings. I have seen a tangling such as this in my own lines unrelated to Piatts. In my own lines, my great-grandfather moved the whole family from KY to WV around 1900. Then my grandfather returned his family only to KY. Subsequently, a descendant in the WV line wanted to compile a genealogy and relied on faulty and foggy memories of the WV people concerning the KY line. And this much mangled information became posted on one of the major genealogy sites! So researchers must beware and always, always double-check and confirm. For your first John Piatt listed we have his birth as: JOHN PIATT born 15 Jul 1740, Six Mile Run, NJ; d 1819 Lycoming Co PA; son of John Piatt and Frances Van Vliet Wyckoff Piatt. In this case, the date of the month of the birth varies by 10 days, possibly the result of sloppy handwriting, and the year varies by 1. And I just read a long, complicated explanation of the change in the calendar done in 1732. I have seen many dates of this time period written as 1733/1734 for example. Possibly this descrepency of a year is related to the change in the calender. Just a guess, though. The birth location of Netherlands for the online listing may have been an assumed location. The family was on Six Mile Run in New Jersey, though. There is a book of old maps of the road across New Jersey which is probably still in print which shows the location of John Piatt (Sr)'s house. As to the second, and older, John Piatt you list we have: JOHN PIATT, b about 1712, Six Mile Run NJ; d Jul 1760 St Thomas, Virgin Islands; son of Jacob Piatt and Mary Hull. I have seen John Piatt's parents listed as Pierre Piatt and Eloise DuFore in a set of volumes by Virkus, The American Compendium of Genealogy, I believe. However, no source is given and it is my understanding that Virkus has all but been descredited as publishing fictious genealogies. An interesting speculation was made, perhaps on the list a while ago, that "Eloise DuFore" was a corruption of the phrase "alias LaFluer." However, the birth dates of the two listings are close. We have "about 1712 " and you found 1710. Perhaps we could get now blissfully retired librarian KEN LAUER to comment on the reliability of the Virkus publication. As to William Piatt we have: WILLIAM PIATT, baptized 1 Oct 1743, Six Mile Run NJ; d 4 Nov 1791, Fort Recovery OH. This was Captain William Piatt of the Revolutionary War and of the later Indian Wars. He was killed at St Clair's defeat in northwest Ohio in 1791. His name is on a monument to the fallen officers at Fort Recovery. Lynn White and I stopped at the monument a number of years ago after a conference in Fort Wayne. Wherever this William was born, he was baptized in New Jersey. He was the 3rd son of John Piatt and Frances Van Vliet Wyckoff Piatt. There is a PETER PIATT listed as being born 19 Jan 1707/08 in Piscataway NJ to Jacob Piatt and Mary Hull Piatt, making him a brother to the elder John, above. I was hoping that we might clear up some of the confusion--one way or another--by locating the papers of the late N Louise Lodge who published "Everybody's Ancestry" and "The Tribe of Jacob." She was researching in the late 1800s and early 1900s, and to my knowledge was the earliest Piatt researcher. Perhaps her papers held references to sources that no one else has yet uncovered. But, unfortunately, her papers are lost at best, and at worst, destroyed. I suppose we could always hope that some of them survive. And perhaps we should look for other Piatt papers. I know that there are some Piatt papers among the Worthington Family Papers at the Ohio Historical Society. I should look at those again. And another project would be to contact the author of the recent book on Sarah Morgan Bryan Piatt to see what original papers might survive there. The Castles still have some, too, I believe. Are there other possibilities? -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

Dear Piatt clan, I have just dicovered why we may have a confusion with this "John of France", if you wander over to familysearch.com you will find they have listed as such: John Piatt born 07/05/1739 Netherlands to John Piatt and Frances Van Vliet John Piatt born abt. 1710 In Dauphine Prov., France to Pierre Piatt and Elise DuFore they also list William Piatt being born 1743 in Santo Domingo to John Piatt and Frances VanVliet Would anyone like to clarify this mess ? Thanks, Anne

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Dear Lavern, I think it's the same one I know James P. Knowlton did marry Rosetta, they were my husbands grandparents. I am going to check out the cites if I find anything I'll let you know. Thanks for all your help. Maggie

For Roy Appleton, David Lodge, Laverne, Yes, I too, have a copy of The Tribe of Jacob Piatt. The other publication was Everybodys Ancestry and was a small magazine and was not confined to the "Piatt" name. It was only printed, I believe, four magazines. The date of death on her tombstone was 12 March 1939. Before the death or right after N. Louise Lodge's death, the balance of her books The Tribe of Jacob Piatt was given to Catherine Lodge. I believe this name is correct and she was I believe a niece to N. Louise Lodge. I have a letter somewhere in my files to confirm this and will try to find it. The niece was trying to sell the balance of the books. Whether she received the papers, etc., before or after N. Louise's death I am not sure but if I can turn up the file it might shed some more light on the matter. Dick Piatt West Chester, PA.

Joe Kearney and I did considerable research on "John of France" and here is the conclusion we came up with regarding the matter. As there was NO other data to support the title, we went by the facts of reading about many persons is early NJ. People did connect others by using where they came from and there was others with different titles using a place. Therefore, I believe Elise is totally correct with her assumption and reasoning per her email of 4/21/01. Dick Piatt West Chester, PA.