Well, that certainly complicates the situation. What are the chances that two woman named Ellen would been married first to a Piatt and then to a Louden! Just because someone never mentioned sisters doesn't mean there weren't any - I was just surprised that she wouldn't have an eight year old one year, but, would have an 18 year old the next. Perhaps they were step-children or adopted? Maybe they lived with other family members at various times? Very confusing to have so many details that don't tie together neatly. I'll probably keep thinking about it - whether I want to or not. ha ha . Marianne On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:46 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Marianne, > Thank you for you reply, like you said I'm keeping a open mind. > I have a photo copy of her Obituary and I can say that Ellen Barney > married James Piatt and Moses Lowden. But you rite > I don't have any girls born to Ellen. I'll keep looking > > Thank You > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marianne Pyeatt <mcpgene@excite.com> > To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt > > > > Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an > > outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen > Piatt > > from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a > > daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were > marrying > > a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as > > possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How > > sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or > > headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't > > always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you > had > > it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would > have > > been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very > > close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would > > also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in > > 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are > usually > > first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take > a > > stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children - > > possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it > > as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you > > keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you > to > > possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be > more > > help. Marianne > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad > > > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census > she > > would have > > > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age > > the attract a > > > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time > > would have right > > > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) > A > > year here are > > > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. > > > > > > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's > death > > certificate > > > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older > > then James > > > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely > > matches the family > > > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. > > > > > > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in > > 1870 and Millie 1880. > > > > > > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the > father > > of Carrie. > > > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be > so > > close in names and dates. > > > > > > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill > > (Behee Mill?) in > > > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. > > 1827." > > > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the > > > 1850 federal census of > > > Huntington, > > > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: > > > Barney, John age 52 > > > Barney, Sarah age 41 > > > Barney, Charles age 20 > > > Barney, Elizabeth age 17 > > > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) > > > Barney, Mary age 6 > > > Barney, John age 3 > > > > > > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 > > > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer > > > Sarah Hoyt 25 F > > > Adelia Hoyt 2 F > > > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F > > > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) > > > Oliver Sharps 12 M > > > > > > On the 1870 Census > > > Plymouth Township > > > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) > > > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) > > > George E 13 M W PA (1857) > > > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) > > > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) > > > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) > > > > > > > > > On the 1880 Census > > > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania > > > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA > > > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* > > > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) > > > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) > > > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) > > > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** > > > > > > > > > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age > > > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the > times. > > > > > > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father > > > > > > Please Help > > > > > > David C. Piatt > > > Shelby Twp. 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Marianne, Thank you for you reply, like you said I'm keeping a open mind. I have a photo copy of her Obituary and I can say that Ellen Barney married James Piatt and Moses Lowden. But you rite I don't have any girls born to Ellen. I'll keep looking Thank You Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Marianne Pyeatt <mcpgene@excite.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt > Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an > outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen Piatt > from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a > daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were marrying > a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as > possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How > sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or > headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't > always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you had > it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would have > been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very > close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would > also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in > 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are usually > first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take a > stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children - > possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it > as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you > keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you to > possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be more > help. Marianne > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad > > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census she > would have > > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age > the attract a > > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time > would have right > > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) A > year here are > > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. > > > > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's death > certificate > > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older > then James > > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely > matches the family > > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. > > > > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in > 1870 and Millie 1880. > > > > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the father > of Carrie. > > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be so > close in names and dates. > > > > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill > (Behee Mill?) in > > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. > 1827." > > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the > > 1850 federal census of > > Huntington, > > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: > > Barney, John age 52 > > Barney, Sarah age 41 > > Barney, Charles age 20 > > Barney, Elizabeth age 17 > > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) > > Barney, Mary age 6 > > Barney, John age 3 > > > > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 > > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer > > Sarah Hoyt 25 F > > Adelia Hoyt 2 F > > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F > > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) > > Oliver Sharps 12 M > > > > On the 1870 Census > > Plymouth Township > > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) > > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) > > George E 13 M W PA (1857) > > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) > > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) > > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) > > > > > > On the 1880 Census > > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania > > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA > > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* > > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) > > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) > > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) > > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** > > > > > > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age > > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the times. > > > > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father > > > > Please Help > > > > David C. Piatt > > Shelby Twp. Mich. > > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > > The PIATT GenConnect Board is our place to post records > > such as wills, bios, deeds, and Bible records. Find it at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/p/i/PIATT/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner (that's me, Christine!) at > xinegirl@gateway.net > with any questions, problems, or suggestions! > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen Piatt from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were marrying a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you had it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would have been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are usually first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take a stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children - possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you to possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Marianne On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census she would have > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age the attract a > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time would have right > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) A year here are > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. > > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's death certificate > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older then James > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely matches the family > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. > > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in 1870 and Millie 1880. > > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the father of Carrie. > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be so close in names and dates. > > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill (Behee Mill?) in > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. 1827." > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the > 1850 federal census of > Huntington, > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: > Barney, John age 52 > Barney, Sarah age 41 > Barney, Charles age 20 > Barney, Elizabeth age 17 > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) > Barney, Mary age 6 > Barney, John age 3 > > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer > Sarah Hoyt 25 F > Adelia Hoyt 2 F > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) > Oliver Sharps 12 M > > On the 1870 Census > Plymouth Township > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) > George E 13 M W PA (1857) > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) > > > On the 1880 Census > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** > > > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the times. > > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father > > Please Help > > David C. Piatt > Shelby Twp. Mich. > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > The PIATT GenConnect Board is our place to post records > such as wills, bios, deeds, and Bible records. Find it at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/p/i/PIATT/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

Mary, This summer my computer went down and I lost the E-mail address book, My old computer had most of the people I write but I would like to get in touch with Mary & Carl Romanski if your on the mail list please send me a E-mail with your new address. Thank You David C. Piatt Shelby Twp., Mich.

James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census she would have been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age the attract a young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time would have right in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854) A year here are there may be expanded by the date the census was taken. But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's death certificate shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older then James and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely matches the family as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt. Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in 1870 and Millie 1880. If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the father of Carrie. It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be so close in names and dates. John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill (Behee Mill?) in Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b. 1827." This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the 1850 federal census of Huntington, Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279: Barney, John age 52 Barney, Sarah age 41 Barney, Charles age 20 Barney, Elizabeth age 17 Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839) Barney, Mary age 6 Barney, John age 3 In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135 Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer Sarah Hoyt 25 F Adelia Hoyt 2 F Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834) Oliver Sharps 12 M On the 1870 Census Plymouth Township Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834) Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840) George E 13 M W PA (1857) Robert R 11 M W PA (1859) Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860) Charles W 5 M W PA (1865) On the 1880 Census 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)* Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862) Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866) Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872) Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) ** * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the times. **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father Please Help David C. Piatt Shelby Twp. Mich.

http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl RootsWeb Mailing Lists -- Interactive Search > > Okay, you archive (the technical kind) experts. Where do I go to see a > chronological list of the emails from the PIATT-L list? >

Okay, you archive (the technical kind) experts. Where do I go to see a chronological list of the emails from the PIATT-L list? I normally save all emails that include anything that I need to save to add to my website/database. But, I can't keep up and my mailbox is getting too full. So, if I could go back to the rootsweb archive to retrieve that information, I could delete the emails from my box. Thanks, Marianne _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

HELLO I DONT KNOW IF I SENT YOU INFO OR NOT I AM DOING SO MANY I LIVE IN PIQUA OHIO NORTH OF DAYTON OHIO MY MOM S MOM WAS DORA ALICE PIATT FROM DARKE CO. OHIO NEAR GREENVILLE OHIO LIVED NEW MADISON AREA AND SAVONA OHIO HER HUSBAND WAS JOHN HARRISON. HER FATHER JOHN PIATTS FATHER WAS A JAKOB PIATT AND BEFORE THAT JOHN AGAIN. ADAMS CO SOUND FAMILAR AND BEFORE THAT COUOLD BE OHIO PLACE AND THEN MAYBBE VA OR W VA OR PENN. ANY HELP HERE DORA ALICE PIATT HARRISON WAS BORN IN 1865 MY GR GRAMPA JOHN PIATT MARRIED A MARY PUTERBAUGH THANKS PHILLY925@AOL.COM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ARMFIELD, STRICKLAND, CANTELO, PIATT, THORNTON, STRAND,MARTIN, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229.1.3 Message Board Post: After following your Piatts in this conversation..I would like you to check or search your brains to see if you may find a connection from these Piatts to mine as they are from the same area. My Elizabeth Hannah Piatt, parents unknow, was born in July 31, 1828, in Ohio, I also have listed that it was Canton, Hamilton Co.She went by the name of hannah. She married Isaac Armfield in 1851, my grt grd mother Florence was born in Montfort, WI 1870. I have the decendents, but need the ancestor's . Will share anita alacosta@iwvisp.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/42.102.1 Message Board Post: hello- just reviewing piatts found your message to someone else- none of the names sound familiar to me that I have found in my husbands familytree but they don't have much. surely with your ancesters being in adams co. some matches could be found if you will send me your lineage by e-mail maybe we coul find something there. thanks very much. shirleyjakepiatt@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229.1.2 Message Board Post: David: Just found a record of one of Laura's children(John Hiram's grandchild) being married in Friendship, Ohio...at least they were in the same state as the info you gave me...

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229.1.1 Message Board Post: David: Thanks for the info!! I do appreciate it. I can at least start with this and see if it proves to be the same person.... Thanks again.... Suzanne

If this is your John, I have a pretty large database for this John and would be willing to share what I have. You can email me at AKemen@cinci.rr.com Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: <dpiatt2@Home.com> To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: [PIATT] Re: John Hiram Piatt > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Suzanne, > I have a limited data on a John Hiram Piatt, if this is your John you'll have to get documentation > but this may help. > > John Hiram Piatt > Born 1846 > Died ? > Father: John H Piatt 1798 Mother Sarah (Sally) Jones > > John Hiram dealt in real estate/numerous old deed attest to this fact. He lived in Adams Co. > during the early years of his life. The later part he spent in Scioto Co., Ohio. In 1850 he > was living in Union Twp., Scioto Co. where he had a blacksmith shop. He was the grandfather > of Russell Piatt a retired undertaker who resided in Portsmouth, Scioto Co., Ohio. John > was a Civil War Veteran, served in Co. l, 140, Reg. O.N.G. > > John Hiram Piatt > ...John H Piatt > .....Lewis Piatt > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Let's all remember to play nicely, respect others, and > help our fellows...and that goes for more than just > this mailing list... > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229.1 Message Board Post: Suzanne, I have a limited data on a John Hiram Piatt, if this is your John you'll have to get documentation but this may help. John Hiram Piatt Born 1846 Died ? Father: John H Piatt 1798 Mother Sarah (Sally) Jones John Hiram dealt in real estate/numerous old deed attest to this fact. He lived in Adams Co. during the early years of his life. The later part he spent in Scioto Co., Ohio. In 1850 he was living in Union Twp., Scioto Co. where he had a blacksmith shop. He was the grandfather of Russell Piatt a retired undertaker who resided in Portsmouth, Scioto Co., Ohio. John was a Civil War Veteran, served in Co. l, 140, Reg. O.N.G. John Hiram Piatt ...John H Piatt .....Lewis Piatt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Piatt, Nease Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/229 Message Board Post: Looking for any information on John Hiram Piatt, married to Elizabeth ? They had at least one daughter named Laura Myrtle Piatt who was married to Charles Wesley Nease. They had 3 children but Laura died suddenly in 1893- family lore has it she was struck by lightning..... I'd like to trace the line further back .... I am assuming since supposedly Laura died young in 1893 - she would have been in her early 20's which would make John Hiram Piatt's birthday somewhere between 1820-50ish range... Any information would be greatly appreciated

PIATT FAMILY RESEARCHERS' CONFERENCE Delaware Valley College, Doylestown, Pennsylvania June 29, 2001 Present: Elizabeth "Liz" Branstead, David Conrad Piatt, James Donovan Piatt and Edith (Ross) Piatt, Laverne (Ingram) Piatt, Richard O. Piatt and Mary (Keiper) Piatt, Ira C. "Skip" Piatt, Sharolynn Pyeatt, Christine Webb, Elizabeth Webb. Jim reported that he looked at the militia records for Hunterdon County in the New Jersey State Archives in Trenton. Most of the Piatts served in the 4th Troop of Horse, Hunterdon Squadron (ca. 1799); then the name changed to 4th Troop of Dragoons, and again to 4th Troop of Light Horse. Daniel Piatt was both promoted and demoted in rank. There is a story that one troop member skinned an Indian who had been killed and made a pair of boots for Daniel. He also located Piatts in the Hunterdon County marriage records. Dick and Mary also went to the New Jersey Archives. Laverne, David and Sharolynn went to the library in Clinton, NJ. Their primary goal was to photograph Piatt headstones in some of the cemeteries in Hunterdon County, NJ. They went to the Grandin Cemetery in Bethlehem Township, as well as the cemeteries in Baptistown, Frenchtown and Milford. They only found the Piatt/Pyatt surname in the Grandin Cemetery and the cemetery in Baptistown. Liz returned to Pottsville. She found six deeds for David & Hannah Piatt in Pottsville and Pt. Carbon, all bought & sold between 1828 and 1832. Christine and Elizabeth played all day -- doing laundry, making copies of finds from earlier in the week, etc. There was a fair amount of discussion regarding the origins of Rene Piatt and why he migrated to Piscataway. Potential research paths were also discussed. Laverne had received a letter from Bob Pyeatt of Springfield, MO regarding the Pyeatte Cemetery in Maumelle, Arkansas. The cemetery has been upgraded and registered on the National Historic Record. They plan a dedication of the cemetery on September 9, 2001 and have invited all who may be interested to attend. Notes by Sharolynn Pyeatt

PIATT FAMILY RESEARCHERS' CONFERENCE Delaware Valley College, Doylestown, Pennsylvania June 28, 2001 Present: Elizabeth "Liz" Branstead, Beth Ann Lauer, Kenneth Lawrence Lauer & Mary Joan (Piatt) Lauer, David Conrad Piatt, James Donovan Piatt and Edith (Ross) Piatt, Joseph Howard Piatt & Pauline (Carpinelli) Piatt, Laverne (Ingram) Piatt, Richard O. Piatt and Mary (Keiper) Piatt, Ira "Skip" Piatt, Sharolynn Pyeatt, Christine Webb, Elizabeth Webb. Liz and David started their day by going over to the Spruance Library. Liz was stunned by the architecture of the Museum. The artifacts are actually stacked three stories high---one buggy on top of another. It was just extraordinary. They did find Census Reports there, but they did not have Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania's section. >From there, their day went downhill. Liz and David decided to set out for Pottsville and got within a few miles of the place before David's alternator died. Their next stop was the auto dealership, where they spent quite a bit of time and found no Piatts. Not even in the phone book. Once the car was fixed, they felt they really could not bear to leave, having come so close, without at least going on into town. Naturally, they arrived after everything had closed for the day. So, they drove through, turned around, and started back . . . and got lost on the return trip! David did say that he found the geographic proximity of the Piatt locations near Pottsville very intriguing. It can't be more than 30 miles from where John Pyatt has a Tax Lien on him at Catawissa in 1798 to Ephraim's (b. 1781) burial place at New Columbus to David's 1830 location in Port Carbon (near Pottsville). Liz and David both feel that the fact that all of these Piatts lived so close together may imply a more than coincidental connection. Richard and Mary went to the Hunterdon County Court House to look for leads on Elijah and his Tavern License. After lunch they went back to the Hall of Records for awhile, then went down to the Historical Society to talk to a friend, Roxanne, who is extremely knowledgeable about Hunterdon County history. She told Richard that she does not believe anyone has ever made a complete listing of the Tavern Licenses in the county and the original record is still lost---just as stated in the secondary source Laverne found earlier in the week. Ken reported that the Lauers spent the morning in the Michener Room at the Art Museum, looking at everything on display there in detail. They also found a copy shop and the local Post Office and had a great lunch in downtown Doylestown. In the afternoon, Jo, Ken & Beth proceeded to the Archives at Trenton. Jo was able to track down a lot of interesting information on Joseph Paxton, who was a solid citizen and active with both the local government and his church. They also found some estate information since Joseph Paxton died before his son James attained his majority. But they couldn't find any Piatts around. It could be, though, that Joseph Paxton had a daughter who married a Piatt and then named her son Joseph. Since this was the era before family members were identified in the census, one would have to approach this theory via Bible Records or perhaps a Paxton genealogy. Beth finished getting the property records about Thomas Pyatt that she hadn't had time for on Tuesday. In the process she discovered a new spelling for Piatt: Piyat. The deeds confirmed that James was the father of Thomas Pyatt. Since there was not a lot of time left, Beth went back and read Thomas Pyatt's Will and estate papers. The will names all kinds of relationships. Thomas is the father of Asa. His wife is Martha, and his mother is Ruth. He also leaves a bequest to First Day Baptist church of Christ at Piscataway, the church that Sharolynn researched on Wednesday. Joe and Paulie went to the archives in the Federal Building at Philadelphia, a branch of the National Archives. It was hard to find the location, because no one on the street seems to be aware that The Archives are there. They did not have much luck finding the information they wanted. Then they had trouble coming home and ended up taking two trains and two buses to get back. Paulie looked at some material from the General Index for servicemen in the Revolution. The material is most likely familiar to many researchers, but she was interested to see just how many Piatts fought in the war, and she wanted to look under as many variant spellings for Piatt as she could find. An unusual finding included "Joseph Piolt/originally filed under Piot, Joseph." Other records of interest included: Payt, Jacob "originally filed under Payte," 7th Virginia Regiment; Peat, Elijah, Vermont Regiment;" Peat, Benjamin, "originally filed under Pyatt;" Peat, Lemuel, 7th Connecticut; Peat, Robert, "originally filed under Piat;" Paulie also found Peatt, James, the 4th New York Regiment; Peatt, Jerems; Peatt, Lewis; and Piatt, Lemuel "originally filed under Peat, Lemuel." Jim reported that Edith Ross Piatt had to go see the Betsy Ross house in Philadelphia. They enjoyed the tour very much and were also excited by their visit to Independence Hall and The Liberty Bell beforehand. Edith said that she was especially thrilled to stand where Abraham Lincoln had stood when he watched the raising of the flag (right next to George Washington's statue). They had a rough trip home, afterward, though. They ended up walking about nine blocks back to meet Joe and Paulie due to trouble making their bus connection. And after that they took the train plus two buses along with Joe and Paulie, experiencing the bounciest ride they had ever had on a train. (Paulie commented that, just for fun, she recommends that people try to get the seats on the part of the bus that articulates. It is an amazing experience, but not nearly as bouncy as the train was.) Christine and Elizabeth went to 84 Lumber, bought pliers, and managed to get the seat belt fixed in their car. Then they went to the Mercer Museum and the Public Library. They were amazed by the amount of concrete in the Museum building. Next they went to New Hope and had a generally good time having lunch and wandering in and out of shops. They also crossed the river to Lambertville for awhile, then came back to campus to relax. Sharolynn and Laverne went straight to the Alexander Library at Rutgers and worked their fingers to the bone until five o'clock. They xeroxed a lot and looked a lot, but haven't had time to piece it all together. Laverne reviewed all seven volumes of Ora Eugene Monnette's First Settlers of Piscataway and Woodbridge. She said that she didn't really know if they had found anything new today, but she did copy large amounts of information that she had heard of but never seen before today. There is an amazing quantity of information in that collection, and she doesn't know if any of it will ever be published elsewhere. She noted that there were three pages on Huguenots entitled "The Weavers Company of London," and a Frances Florey (Fleury) appears in the 1667 list right after Frances Defore (Devore). After they left the Library, Laverne and Sharolynn decided to go up to Samptown/Sampton to try to find some cemeteries. They didn't have any good information about where to go, however, so they ended up going around in circles. They stopped at a library to ask about one of the churches that they thought might still be active, and by using the yellow pages they managed to locate the St. James Episcopal Church, located just a stone's throw from where they were yesterday. That cemetery is very overgrown with tulip poplars, grapevine, briers and raspberries. You couldn't even photograph some of the stones that Laverne wanted to get, but then Laverne realized she had left her camera back in the dorm. Fortunately, Sharolynn had brought hers. Sharolynn commented that they were "on every side of the town" while looking for cemeteries, and Richard said that he thought they had probably been on portions of the original Rene Piatt lands during their sojourn. Notes by Beth A. Lauer

PIATT FAMILY RESEARCHERS' CONFERENCE Delaware Valley College, Doylestown, Pennsylvania --- June 27, 2001 Present: Elizabeth "Liz" Branstead, Beth Ann Lauer, Kenneth Lawrence Lauer & Mary Joan (Piatt) Lauer, David Conrad Piatt, James Donovan Piatt and Edith (Ross) Piatt, Joseph Howard Piatt & Pauline (Carpinelli) Piatt, Laverne (Ingram) Piatt, Richard O. Piatt and Mary (Keiper) Piatt, Ira "Skip" Piatt, Sharolynn Pyeatt, Christine Webb, Elizabeth Webb. Christine, Elizabeth, Liz, and David went to the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania because they discovered upon arrival in Philadelphia that the Historical Society did not open until 1 PM. Christine copied 400 pages. She found the Rubincam Family History by Milton Rubincam there, and it contained a section on the Piatts. She also found information on other lines. Christine reported that there is a bridge out on the train route into Philadelphia, so the trip was longer than expected each direction (1-1/2 hours) due to the need for a detour via articulated bus. Liz was part of the same foursome and was most interested to discover that, by 1790, only one Piatt was listed in the entire state. (PA 1790 Census - Abraham Piatt, Esq., living in Northumberland Co. with 1 white male---himself as head of household---4 males under 16, 8 females, and no other free persons or slaves in the household.) In the US Direct Tax of 1798 (tax lists of the State of Pennsylvania, known as the "window tax") there were only two listings: (1) #307 - John Piatt (warrantee and owner) in Catawissa Township. This John Piatt owned 428 acres with an estimated value of $214 and it is noted that the adjoining property is south of the beaver pond. (2) #96 - John Piatt (warrantee and owner) in Washington and White Deer Township. This property consisted of 427 acres valued at $106.75 and John Hayes owned the adjacent property. Richard thinks that these two "Johns" are actually the same man and that he inherited property from his brother Abraham, who died in 1791. David, who also researched at the Genealogical Society, did not find his great-great grandfather in the 1850 Census with his own family but was able to determine that he was living instead with another family in Huntington Township, Columbia County, Pennsylvania. Richard believes that these were also relatives. David commented that he was pretty excited by this find. Joe and Paulie had the same experience with the train detour exactly one hour after the foursome who went to the Genealogical Society. As the result of their late arrival in town, Joe and Paulie spent a short time at the library, lunched at the market, and then took a tour of the Masonic Temple of the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania. Joe looked there for William Piatt who was a member of the Knights Templar in New York, but didn't find any information on him. There was a lot of interesting information about the history of Lafayette and his tour of the US in 1824. Jim reported that he went to the Spruance Library in Doylestown with Richard, Mary, and Edith and Skip today. He very quickly found a book on marriages in Bucks County that confirmed that his great grandparents were indeed married. After lunch, the group went up to the Court House where they were not greeted very warmly. They did not get much help there and had no luck finding what they wanted. Richard added that his group went to French Town in the afternoon to look for some tombstones. He found the marker for Brunson Williams, the first husband of Peg LeBoutilier in the cemetery. Unfortunately, it was 94 degrees at the time and much too hot. They were not able to locate all of the markers that he wanted there. Laverne and Sharolynn went to New Brunswick today. First they went a little bit farther to Edison, New Jersey where they explored the tombstones at the Stelton Baptist Church cemetery. They photographed and copied some of the tombstones and were also able to refine some of their notes at the Edison Public Library next door because someone had deposited a notebook with photographs of the same markers there some years ago. Sharolynn reported that they then went to the Court House in New Brunswick where they were able to find the depositions in the estate of Michael Munday. The pages had been restored. Asa Piatt and Elizabeth Stelle both testified on behalf of Michael Munday saying that they felt he was competent. They were able to document Asa's statements about his movements. Laverne and Sharolynn next went to Rutgers where Sharolynn reported that she got hijacked by a piece of microfilm (#2777 to be exact): The Records of the First Baptist Church of Piscataway, Stelton, New Jersey 1781-1855 (the Church they had visited earlier that day). Ephraim Pyatt was listed as a Deacon. Elizabeth Pyatt, Asa Pyatt, Asher Pyatt, Mercy Pyatt, Providence Runyon Pyatt (Mrs. J. Pyatt), John Pyatt, Mrs. Cornelia Pyatt (wife of Runyon), and several other Pyatts also appear in the records. Hezekiah Smith's name also came up three times. Sharolynn noted that Asa was excluded for a period of time and then restored. (This also helps to document his comings and goings.) A Hannah Pyath, also a member of the Church, was listed as "Colored." The church records also discuss some of the actions (some of them scandalous) of the church members in quite a bit of detail. James Pyatt (Richard thinks probably the one who was married to Ruth Drake) seemed to be the one who was regularly dispatched to help settle problems among the colored members of the church. Richard added that both James Pyatt and Deacon Ephraim Pyatt were very prominent and prosperous farmers. Laverne worked with the card file of cemetery readings at Rutgers. The card file was created in 1937 and was checked against even earlier listings at the time it was made. She also found a book about the Stelton Church. No records for the church exist prior to 1781 because they were destroyed in the Revolution. Ephraim Pyatt was appointed a Deacon in 1792 and died on August 10, 1813. The book included some genealogical information about families other than Piatts. It also talked about early Huguenots who joined the church, including some Piatts, but simply named the families without going into any detail about them. Laverne added that after Rutgers, they checked the Seventh Day Baptist cemetery but found no Piatts there. In addition, Laverne received a telephone call from her husband, Ed. He informed her that he had received mail from Barbara Maybury. Barbara sent him an article from the Pittsburgh newspaper about two Piatts, a father and son, who are wealthy descendants of Amos Piatt and are suing each other over the Southpoint development near Washington, Pennsylvania. Jo reported that the Lauers went out to Six Mile Run to see the Elm Ridge Cemetery marker for Frances Van Vliet and the Six Mile Reformed Church ("Old Dutch Church"). They crossed Six Mile Run about nine times altogether and, by dint of risking life and limb to cross the highway bridge on foot, they were able to determine that there is indeed water flowing freely in the run after all. You just can't see it from either of the banks. They took the easy route on the way back to Pennsylvania: State Road 27 becomes County Road 518, which crosses directly to Lambertville, NJ/New Hope, PA. Road 518 is, incidentally, called the Franklin-Lambertville Pike in places. Some discussion was held about where to have the 2002 Conference. Several members of the group were very enthusiastic about the idea of having it in Fort Wayne because of the release of the 1930 Census, which is due in March 2002. Possible difficulties could include the question of when the census will actually be in the drawers at Fort Wayne for use by the public and the issue of when construction will begin on the library expansion. A second option might be to go to Salt Lake City. Sharolynn is fairly certain that the census will be available there promptly. Richard mentioned, in addition, the option of going up to the College of St. Elizabeth at Morristown next year. Notes by Beth A. Lauer

> > Subject: FW: Tonight at 10:30EST (9:30CST) > > > > > > I just heard on the radio that the U.S. has asked that everyone > > step out on their lawns tonight at 10:30 and light a candle. They will > > be taking a satellite picture of the U.S. and posting it on the news > > tomorrow morning. > > > > Please pass this on to as many people as possible. > > > > > >

PIATT FAMILY RESEARCHERS' CONFERENCE Delaware Valley College, Doylestown, Pennsylvania June 26, 2001 Present: Elizabeth "Liz" Branstead, Beth Ann Lauer, Kenneth Lawrence Lauer & Mary Joan (Piatt) Lauer, David Conrad Piatt, James Donovan Piatt and Edith (Ross) Piatt, Laverne (Ingram) Piatt, Richard O. Piatt and Mary (Keiper) Piatt, Ira A. "Skip" Piatt, Sharolynn Pyeatt, Christine Webb, Elizabeth Webb. Joe and Paulie Piatt did not attend the evening meeting because they met their son Joseph in Philadelphia for dinner. Laverne and Sharolynn went to the New Jersey State Library and tried to find cemetery listings for Middlesex, Somerset and Hunterdon Counties. Laverne also checked some other areas and found several interesting things, which are probably already known, including a Baptism: on July 8, 1770, Rev. Frazer baptized Mary, the wife of James, and their child, Benjamin. Richard said that the child was quite young. He believes that both mother and child died shortly thereafter and are both buried in Alexandria. This information was disappointing since it means that Benjamin is not a link to some of the unconnected lines. Laverne also found a compilation of tavern licenses from Hunterdon County. Richard said that he had never known that Elijah Piatt had purchased a tavern license in Hunterdon County around 1823. William Piatt also paid a tavern tax in 1792, as did "William's father," who is unfortunately not otherwise identified on the list of those paying the tax. Richard, Mary and Skip spent the day at the New Jersey State Archives. They are attempting to collect vital records documents for their direct line. Richard also spent a lot of time answering questions about the early Piatts for others researching at the Archives. David worked at the Archives all day, concentrating on Will Abstracts. As a matter of interest, he looked up Rene Piatt's Intestate packet on microfilm, copied it, and passed it around at the meeting for everyone to look at. At the State Library, Sharolynn found an abstract from a will that was filed in Middlesex County for Michael Munday, a neighbor of the Piatts who died in his 80s. He was a farmer, but was also an alcoholic. His will had been made 20 years earlier before his second marriage. Michael Munday's brother contested the will, and the dispute resulted in over 100 pages of documentation and testimony from many witnesses (including Asa Piatt). Most who testified also gave biographical information about themselves. Asa's testimony appears to include information about his own movements back and forth from New Market to New Brunswick to Somerset and back to New Brunswick over his lifetime. Unfortunately, once Sharolynn got to the Archives, she found that their microfilm seems to contain only some accountings from the packet. She is hoping to go to New Brunswick and get a chance to look at the original document packet there. Jim and Edith Piatt worked at the Archives. They found many interesting details in a book called More Records of Old Hunterdon County: Division of Lands 1796-1876. Jim quoted one: "On 13 Sept. 1824 John Pittenger was surety for Jacob Pittenger, distiller of Alexandria Township, who was accused of being the father of the unborn child of Mary Piatt, single woman of the same place. (Recog. 2332)." Jim also looked at some will records in the book. Nicholas Pickle left a bequest of 400 pounds to his "daughter, Anna Pyatt" in a will dated 15 April 1818. And on August 27, 1821, Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township left a lot to his daughter, Sarah Pyatt, wife of Dr. James Pyatt. Christine and Elizabeth Webb also spent their day at the Archives. They worked on gathering vital record information from other lines. Christine spent $30 on photocopying from microfilm, but none of this was Piatt information. As usual, her Piatts managed to be scarce in the records. At the Archives, Liz looked at Birth Records from 1848-1878. She would have preferred to concentrate on the earlier era, but unfortunately has not pushed her own line back far enough yet. The Piatts she found had diverse names (not all repetitions of previous generations) and some of them were very unusual, for example, Alavesta Piatt. Liz also looked at Will Abstracts and really began to build more familiarity with the New Jersey Piatts. She feels that just now, however, she needs to concentrate more on her line in Pennsylvania in the hope of finally making the connection back to New Jersey. Jo found a book at the Archives that had been put into a special folder because it was in such fragile condition. The index listed John the Sheriff (Piatt) of Middlesex, and the book contained actual copies of newspaper items that John had published in the newspapers of his time. The information seemed so interesting that Jo intends to publish it in Piatt Family Photogravure even though there are no pictures to go with it. She thinks it is important to preserve it for future generations in case the book crumbles into little bits too small to read! Jo commented that she was also intrigued to find the name "Joseph Paxton" listed in the Will Abstracts at the Archives. If she has time later in the week, she will pursue information about him for Liz. Ken checked the card catalog in the Documents Room of the Archives. It contains information about New Jersey newspaper citations. He found several Piatts of various spellings. Unfortunately, the Archives does not hold all of the relevant microfilm reels for the newspapers where the articles cited can be found, but some of them may be available nearby at the State Library. Beth began her day at the Archives by reviewing Volume 7 (1786-1790) of the Will Abstracts for any mention of Piatts. Two of the three abstracts she found involved Piatts only as people who helped inventory the estate. She will give the information she found to Laverne so it can be added to her document "Some Court Records Involving Piatts in New Jersey 1683-1814." The names Dunham and Munday are both mentioned in these abstracts in connection with Piatts. At Richard's suggestion, Beth then checked early land conveyances involving Piatts and the every-name index of Wills. Richard thinks that the land transfers from James Pyatt to Benjamin Stelle and James Pyatt of Piscataway to Thomas Pyatt may be worth pursuing, but Beth did not have time to follow up in the microfilm. At Richard's suggestion, Beth did look up the estate packet for Thomas Pyatt of Middlesex County, father of Asa. She copied it and Richard will review it to see if it contains any new clues. Richard gave everyone information about William and Hannah Tindall Piatt, saying that "some of it is fact and some of it is thought." (See attached.) He plans eventually to post this write-up on the Piatt-LIST. Liz said that she was intrigued to see Rita Piatt O'Brien listed as the granddaughter of Nathaniel Piatt. It makes her wonder if her Joseph Paxton Piatt could tie into this line somehow? Richard cannot prove it, but he believes that all clues are pointing to the likelihood that William (of William and Hannah Tindall Piatt) is the son of Benjamin and Hannah Bowlby Piatt. It just seems to him that it can't be a coincidence that all of these things tie in. Jo commented that the three recent obituaries that appeared in Photogravure are all descendants of William and Hannah Tindall Piatt. Furthermore, she has heard Erta Piatt Walker and her sister LeMoyne Matthews talk about (and LeMoyne has written about) Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. Notes by Beth A. Lauer