This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/235 Message Board Post: I'm not sure that I'm the best person to respond to Amanda Kemen's query regarding the origins of the Piatt/Pyatt/Pyeatt surname, but I will attempt to respond. I'll ask in advance for your indulgence because I'm writing some of this from memory and don't have all of the documentation in front of me. In the past there has been some controversy among researchers regarding the origins of the surname. Ravenscroft, in her book, claimed that the surname was not French, but was originally of Scots origin and was spelled PYOT. Orra Eugene Monnette, in his book, First settlers of ye plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714 (actually an 8-vol. set of books), states rather emphatically that the family is not of Scots or English descent, but was French. Dick Piatt has written in the past that he always believed that the family originated from Dauphine Province in France (Grenoble was the provincial capital)-- which is in the Alps near the Italian border between France and Italy. Larry Piatt published an article in the Piatt newsletter indicating that "Rene" as a given name appeared very little in Dauphine Province and postulated that Rene may have originated from one of the northern provinces nearer to Belgium where the given name was more commo! n. At this point, in my research, I believe that we are of French origin, but that branches of the family do appear in the British Isles. As a researcher, however, I try to be open-minded-- because I would hate to have to eat crow when the truth finally surfaces. Here are some of the clues I've come across: 1. Most of the Piatt/Pyatt/Pyeatt families in the U.S. tend to descend from Rene Piatt/Pyatt. What his name truly was is somewhat a matter of speculation, because it appears with so many variations in the records. In some records, his name appears something like as "Fleurry (Renipiat)" with the "Renepiat" or "Renipiat" always appears in parentheses. Among the various aliases which Monnette lists are Rene Piatt, Rene Pyat, Rene Le Fleur, Rene La Flower, Thomas Le Fleur, Thomas Piatt. There are also some references in the early records to "Rene Fleurison," i.e., Fleury's son-- which may refer to either the original Rene or to his son Rene [Jr.]. 2. According to the denization, i.e., naturalization, records, we know that Rene was "alien borne" and granted British citizenship in London in 1685. His name appears in the document as Rene Fleury, and shortly thereafter, there appear a Peter Fleurison (i.e., Fleury's son) and a Daniel Fleurian (relatives perhaps?). It also appears that he acquired the land he settled on in New Jersey while still in London. Based on what I know (others may have more information), we don't know where or when he was born. 2. Among the surnames listed in the master index for the proceedings of the Huguenot Society of Great Britain & Ireland are: Pyot, Pygett, Fleury, Fleurie, Flory, Floreay, Florison, La Fleur. Huguenot was the name associated with the French Protestant movement-- which would lead me to believe that the family was definitely of French origin. Even so, there may be descendents of these French families living in the British Isles today who may have forgotten their French origins. 3. Rene's son, John, is sometimes referred to in the early New Jersey records as "John of France," which has lead some to believe that John was born in France, but Laverne Piatt this summer postulated that it may have been because the Piatt sons and their families were living in a Dutch community in New Jersey-- and the early settlers wanted to clarify that John was of French and not Dutch descent. In the 6-Mile Run (now Franklin Park, NJ) church records that I researched, the surname appeared with any number of creative spellings, e.g. PIJATT, PEYATT, PJAT, etc. because the minister was Dutch-- hence the Dutch/Germanic variant spellings which were phonetically based. 4. This fall I looked around a bit for the Piatt/Fleury surnames in books about the Huguenots. I was able to document both surnames in books about the Huguenots in Dauphine Province. Antoine Piat was listed among the individuals who protested a decision made by the king in 1561. David & Daniel Du Piotay (which may or may not have relation with the Piat surname) were listed as natives of Lyon & were protestant ministers. Sebastien Fleury also appears in the mid-16th century records, also as a minister in Dauphine Province. This information came from a 3-vol. work by E. Arnaud, entitled "Histoire des protestants du Dauphine aux XVIe, XVIIe et XVIIIe siecles." There was a lot of religious and political strife in the mid-1500's and the protestants were sometimes promised royal tolerance and at other times, they were severely persecuted. One of the books I consulted indicated that the Fleury's left Dauphine Province for the Netherlands somewhere around the 1560's where there was greater religious tolerance. 5. G. Elmore Reaman's book, The trail of the Huguenots in Europe, the United States, South Africa, and Canada (originally published Toronto, 1963; reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, in 1986), has this to about the Fleury surname: "The Fleury's were descended from the French nobility shortly before the Revocation. Louis Fleury, the Protestant pastor of Tours, fled with his wife Esther, his son born 1671, and his two daughters to England where they were naturalized in 1679. He came to Ireland as one of the private chaplains of William of Orange and was present at the battle of the Boyne." (p. 99). This same book indicates that the Fleury family also settled in New Jersey (p. 134), but it's just a listing of surnames. There appear to have been several Fleury descendents who were pastors or ministers, and I remember coming across a reference to one minister who migrated in Scotland and had children there-- but again, was of French descent by way of the Netherlands. I think you can see why I still believe that the family was French. The proximity of Dauphine Province to the Italian border is about as close to an Italian link as I can come at this point in time. Seeds from the original French family tree appear to have been planted, however temporarily in both the Netherlands and the British Isles; some may have stuck around long enough to take root. Other's may have stayed for a generation or so and then moved on. There are lots of interesting avenues yet to be thoroughly researched and documented. I hope this helps! Sharolynn Pyeatt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/234 Message Board Post: I'm not sure that I'm the best person to respond to your query regarding the origins of the Piatt/Pyatt/Pyeatt surname, but I will attempt to respond. I'll ask in advance for your indulgence because I'm writing some of this from memory and don't have all of the documentation in front of me. In the past there has been some controversy among researchers regarding the origins of the surname. Ravenscroft, in her book, claimed that the surname was not French, but was originally of Scots origin and was spelled PYOT. Orra Eugene Monnette, in his book, First settlers of ye plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714 (actually an 8-vol. set of books), states rather emphatically that the family is not of Scots or English descent, but was French. Dick Piatt has written in the past that he always believed that the family originated from Dauphine Province in France (Grenoble was the provincial capital)-- which is in the Alps near the Italian border between France and Italy. Larry Piatt published an article in the Piatt newsletter indicating that "Rene" as a given name appeared very little in Dauphine Province and postulated that Rene may have originated from one of the northern provinces nearer to Belgium where the given name was more commo! n. At this point, in my research, I believe that we are of French origin, but that branches of the family do appear in the British Isles. As a researcher, however, I try to be open-minded-- because I would hate to have to eat crow when the truth finally surfaces. Here are some of the clues I've come across: 1. Most of the Piatt/Pyatt/Pyeatt families in the U.S. tend to descend from Rene Piatt/Pyatt. What his name truly was is somewhat a matter of speculation, because it appears with so many variations in the records. In some records, his name appears something like as "Fleurry (Renipiat)" with the "Renepiat" or "Renipiat" always appears in parentheses. Among the various aliases which Monnette lists are Rene Piatt, Rene Pyat, Rene Le Fleur, Rene La Flower, Thomas Le Fleur, Thomas Piatt. There are also some references in the early records to "Rene Fleurison," i.e., Fleury's son-- which may refer to either the original Rene or to his son Rene [Jr.]. 2. According to the denization, i.e., naturalization, records, we know that Rene was "alien borne" and granted British citizenship in London in 1685. His name appears in the document as Rene Fleury, and shortly thereafter, there appear a Peter Fleurison (i.e., Fleury's son) and a Daniel Fleurian (relatives perhaps?). It also appears that he acquired the land he settled on in New Jersey while still in London. Based on what I know (others may have more information), we don't know where or when he was born. 2. Among the surnames listed in the master index for the proceedings of the Huguenot Society of Great Britain & Ireland are: Pyot, Pygett, Fleury, Fleurie, Flory, Floreay, Florison, La Fleur. Huguenot was the name associated with the French Protestant movement-- which would lead me to believe that the family was definitely of French origin. Even so, there may be descendents of these French families living in the British Isles today who may have forgotten their French origins. 3. Rene's son, John, is sometimes referred to in the early New Jersey records as "John of France," which has lead some to believe that John was born in France, but Laverne Piatt this summer postulated that it may have been because the Piatt sons and their families were living in a Dutch community in New Jersey-- and the early settlers wanted to clarify that John was of French and not Dutch descent. In the 6-Mile Run (now Franklin Park, NJ) church records that I researched, the surname appeared with any number of creative spellings, e.g. PIJATT, PEYATT, PJAT, etc. because the minister was Dutch-- hence the Dutch/Germanic variant spellings which were phonetically based. 4. This fall I looked around a bit for the Piatt/Fleury surnames in books about the Huguenots. I was able to document both surnames in books about the Huguenots in Dauphine Province. Antoine Piat was listed among the individuals who protested a decision made by the king in 1561. David & Daniel Du Piotay (which may or may not have relation with the Piat surname) were listed as natives of Lyon & were protestant ministers. Sebastien Fleury also appears in the mid-16th century records, also as a minister in Dauphine Province. This information came from a 3-vol. work by E. Arnaud, entitled "Histoire des protestants du Dauphine aux XVIe, XVIIe et XVIIIe siecles." There was a lot of religious and political strife in the mid-1500's and the protestants were sometimes promised royal tolerance and at other times, they were severely persecuted. One of the books I consulted indicated that the Fleury's left Dauphine Province for the Netherlands somewhere around the 1560's where there was greater religious tolerance. 5. G. Elmore Reaman's book, The trail of the Huguenots in Europe, the United States, South Africa, and Canada (originally published Toronto, 1963; reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, in 1986), has this to about the Fleury surname: "The Fleury's were descended from the French nobility shortly before the Revocation. Louis Fleury, the Protestant pastor of Tours, fled with his wife Esther, his son born 1671, and his two daughters to England where they were naturalized in 1679. He came to Ireland as one of the private chaplains of William of Orange and was present at the battle of the Boyne." (p. 99). This same book indicates that the Fleury family also settled in New Jersey (p. 134), but it's just a listing of surnames. There appear to have been several Fleury descendents who were pastors or ministers, and I remember coming across a reference to one minister who migrated in Scotland and had children there-- but again, was of French descent by way of the Netherlands. I think you can see why I still believe that the family was French. The proximity of Dauphine Province to the Italian border is about as close to an Italian link as I can come at this point in time. Seeds from the original French family tree appear to have been planted, however temporarily in both the Netherlands and the British Isles; some may have stuck around long enough to take root. Other's may have stayed for a generation or so and then moved on. There are lots of interesting avenues yet to be thoroughly researched and documented. I hope this helps! Sharolynn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Piatt,Kirk,Mcleod Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Z.2ACBAEB/233 Message Board Post: Have the D-cert.of a Mary L.Mcloud,d.Jan.4,1918(St.Louis).Born to a M.H.Piatt & L.Kirk on Sep.8,1837,OH. L.Kirk b.in Va.,M.H.Piatt b.in OH.

I spent 2 1/2 days in St. Louis looking for Piatts/Pyeatts and will be adding the info to my website by category. I have several deed abstracts, probate connects, death records, etc. I was unable to come up with marriage records that I had expected to find....only one new one.... It has made me decide that my John Piatt and his children traveled out of the St. Louis area to marry. The deed given below is from 1805, and in it, John Piatt appears to be single (no widow's dower considered). However, he had heirs born before and after 1805. So, if my understanding of the land laws is correct, he must have been married at least twice with the second occurring after 1805. Does anyone have any suggestions to where a St. Louis area Piatt/Pyeatt family would have traveled to marry? Thanks, Marianne http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/JohnP.html This indenture made this Eighteenth day of September in the year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and five between John Piat of the District of St Louis in the Louisiana Territory of the one part and James Richardson of the Same District of the other part, Witnesseth, that the said John Piat for and in consideration of the sum of two Hundred Dollars Currency of the United States to him in hand paid the receipt Whereof both acknowledge, hath given, granted, bargain ? ? enfeoff and confirm unto the said James Richardson his heirs and assigns, one certain Tract or parcel of land lying and being in this District aforesaid containing three ? ? and ? acres of eighth bounded with the said James Richardson. North to the vacant Land South to Jacob ?Coons land and East to the main Road, together with all the singular the priveleges and appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise pertaining unto the said James Richardson his heirs and assigns forever, To have and to Hole the said Tract or parcel of land containing one hundred and Twenty acres as aforesaid together with the one singular the priveleges ? ? ? ? -ing or in any wise appertaining unto the said James Richardson his heirs or assigns ? ? ? John Piat for himself his heirs Executors and administrators Doth Covenant and Agree to and with the said James Richardson his heirs and assigns the said Tract of Land containing One Hundred and Twenty acres together with all and singular the priveleges and appurtenances thereunto belonging or in anywise appurtaining he the said John Piat will forever warrant and Defend from him and his heirs unto the said James Richardson his heirs and assigns forever to the only proper use benefit and ?behoaf of him the said James Richardson his heirs and assigns forever, In Testimony whereof the said John Piat hath hereunto subscribed his name and affixed his seal at St Louis the Day and year above written. Signed sealed and delivered in the presence of N F Ledue; Jno Hankinson John Pyeatt (seal) Louisiana Territory District of St Louis Before the subscriber one of the Justices of the court of common pleas of the District aforesaid came the within named John Piat and acknowledged the above Instrument to be his act and Deed and as such desired the same might be recorded, In witness whereof I set my hand and seal the day of the the date of said act and Deed. ? Delaunay (seal) Recorded this Eighteenth Day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred and five. N. P. Ledue (seal) ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com

To Dick and others, I am starting to see more and more Isabella's pop up in family that I am connecting to my John Piatt b: c1765-1770 (Probably PA). I was wondering who could tell me more about this line. I believe Dick once mentioned them to me as a Piatt 'loose end'. Thanks, Marianne ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com

Since I'm back home I hope to get back to catching up on delinquent answers to e-mails and postings to surname boards. While catching up on my snail mail I noticed this very interesting acquisition by the Ohio Historical Society as listed in Echoes, Vol 40, No 6, December 2001/January 2002, page 4: "Adams County, Ohio Legal Documents 1799-1857 This anonymous donation of a variety of early Adams County legal documents includes court summons, indictments, indentures, voting records, poll books, common please court records, estate appraisals, and receipts. M2002-000012, donation" I'm sure the descendants of the Adams Co line of Piatts would hope that something might be found concerning Jacob, Benjamin, Lewis and others of this area. Now if anonymous would just part with the rest of the public records being stashed in the attic or barn of a private residence perhaps many genealogical questions could be answered. -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Piatt, Boldman, Gilkerson, Atkins, Watts, James, Cochran, Holt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/232 Message Board Post: Growing up I had always beleived that the Piatt name was French...as I also beleive that many of you do as well. When I was beginning my genealogy search I came accros a name origin website (I have no clue what it was). It noted that the Piatt name was either English or Italian. This was news to me. Is there anyone on the list that has anything to back this up? I'm wondering if there is any truth to the Piatt name being Italian. If I didn't know better I would think it were true for my family (at least based on looks). Thanks, Amanda Cincinnati, OH

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/190.1 Message Board Post: Elenore, I would like to hear more about your John H. Piatt. I have a John H. Piatt that ended up in Scioto & Adams Co. Ohio. I find it funny that there are so many John H. Piatt's out there and wonder if somewhere down the line we will find that they are all connected. Please email me at AKemen@cinci.rr.com. Happy Holidays, Amanda Kemen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Piatt, Boldman, Gilkerson, Atkins, Watts, James, Cochran, Holt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/193.197.199 Message Board Post: Linda, I am also a descendant of the Lewis Sr. line, through his son John H. I do not have information on your specific line (Nancy's) but would love to hear more. Would you please email me at AKemen@cinci.rr.com. I will be more than happy to send you info on my Piatt line as well. happy holidays! Amanda Kemen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Z.2ACBAEB/229.2 Message Board Post: Suzanne, I'm not sure if we have spoke in the past. I have a lot of information on this line and would be happy to help out if you are still trying to tie together some loose ends. My Piatt lines are also from this line. You can reach me at AKemen@cinci.rr.com. It may take me a while to get back with you due to the holidays etc but be assurred that I will get back to you. Take care, Amanda Kemen Cincinnati, OH

Phyllis, please resend your email of 12/07/01 Joann, please resend your email of 11/29/01 Thank you.

Addendum to info on Benjamin F. Piatt. For those who have Piatt Newsletters. PFN Vol. 8 #8 and #9 gives additional info. Vol. 8 #6 covers Wm Piatt & Catherine Glass including their Benjamin. Also in Vol. 8 and 9 information on Wm Piatt & Mary Brady living in Lycoming, PA. Dee

To Marianne, John and Laverne and others who are interested in Benjamin F. Piatt. I have Benjamin's death listed as Shelby Co. from several sources but the one that I felt confirmed his death to be in Shelby Co. was the 1880 census of Shelby Co., Hendricks Twp. Page 32, Enumeration Dist 206. His widow Ann Piatt was listed on this page as head of household #279. She is 65. Living with her is her son Simeon age 31, her daughter-in-law, Clara E. age 25. Ann is keeping house but under the column listed as disabled, the census taker listed Gen Dibt with a notation above that I didn't understand. I took this to be generally disabled, her son is a farmer and her daughter-in-law is listed as "Housework". Under birth records Ann is NJ in 3 columns, Simeon is IN, VA & NJ, his wife is MO, IN, IN. Benjamin lived in Hendricks Twp. My grgrandmother, Harriet McCrea and her family lived there also. Wm Carter Piatt attended Rush Med. School in Chicago with Harriet's brother Samuel. One Xmas Sam took him to meet Harriet whom he married a year later. Wm Carter Piatt left Shelby Co for KS after his father's death. The Warren Packer records and research on film, LDS, states Benjamin died in Shelby Co. Mary Ensley Weinantz who compiled "The John Carter Family In America Through Nine Generations" lists the following as her sources "History of Shelby Co., IN by Brant & Fuller plus marriage records from both counties. M. Weinantz lived in Edinburgh, IN. I felt the census confirmed the Packer & Weinantz record. In house 278 on the census lives another son of Benjamin, Estelle Leonard, his wife Laura & daughter Alva. To me Ann is still living in her home in 1880. Benjamin died in 1875. This is not primary evidence but I feel there is enough evidence from three records plus family history of Daisy Warner and her mother Harriet. Marienne said something about not having the descendants of Benjamin. Am not sure which Benjamin but for the record here are Benjamin F. Piatt's children. Elizabeth A. b. 10 Apr 1834, d. 9 Sep 1835, bur. Carter Cemetery John W. b. 4 Feb 1836, d. 12 Feb 1836, bur. Carter Cemetery Rebecca J. b. 17 Mar 1837, d. 1 Dec 1847, bur. Carter Cemetery. I have tombstone pictures from Lynn White. (Laverne was on this trip) All three b. Shelby Co. William Carter b. 21 Feb 1839 Columbus, IN, Bartholomew Co., d. 2 Oct 1914 Topeka, KS bur. Ellsworth, KS Nathan S. b. 5 May 1841, Columbus Jct., Bartholomew Co., d. 22 Jul 1922 bur. Glenwood, IA Mary E. 1844, IN d. 1880 Simeon Augustus b. 1849, Johnson Co., IN d. 1929, Canada Martha S. 18 Mar 1851, Shelby Co., d. 22 Apr 1881 Estell Leonard b. Jan 1852 or 1853, d. 7 May 1915 Lafayette b. 28 Sep 1855, d. 30 Apr 1857 bur. Carter Cem. Simeon, the son who was living with Ann , married Clara Hackney 8 Apr 1880 and shows up on that census in Ann's household. Simeon must have been living with his mother and married in the census year. I'm sure I have more material as to where some of the above children are buried but I've spent the last few years researching the McCreas as I had reached a dead end on the Piatt line. There must be wills in Nicholas Co or Hampshire Co which might help in sorting out some of the confusion. In the Draper Collection there is a Wm Piatt and Mary Brady writing to him about Mary's father. I sent this material to Deb Hascall and possibly Laverne has it. Am not sure but they may be Augusta Co. also. Sorry I can't be of more help. Dee

LAVERNE -- Thanks for reprinting the Daisy Piatt Warner excerpt. I had looked all over for it without success and couldn't remember where I had read it. I have some more questions about this family to ask you. Since you will be away, I will use the time to get my thoughts together and ask you after your return. -- JOHN

OK, I can't continue to let Robin take the blame for getting everyone confused about William and a wife named Sarah. The fault is mine,,I am researching my great grand parents ,George Snyder married to Anne Pyatt, George's parents were William and Sarah Gray Snyder and of course Anne's grandparents were William and Mary Snider.In my usual disorganized way I continually get them all mixed up and I am the one who wrote to Robin about it and now everyone thinks she is the culprit, not so!!My only defense is thst I'm only into this for a couple of years .Sorry for all the confused people out there!!! MARLENE ----- Original Message ----- From: <PIATT-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PIATT-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: PIATT-D Digest V01 #139

Well, I just didn't look hard enough. I overlooked James and Mary on my sorted page list of families (http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/pglstsorted.html) and then when I went to my researcher family lines page - I didn't have a link to James's page from there. But, I have now located what I have on James and Mary (http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/JamesP.html) probably most of it pirated from Laverne off the list : ) But, still lack a list of descendants, etc. for Benjamin and source documents if anyone has abstracts. Thanks, Marianne On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:36:45 -0800, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > MARIANNE -- > > (1) Shelby Co. IN adjoins Bartholomew Co. One may be the death place > of Benjamin F. Piatt/Pyatt and the other the burial location. Or, the > Bartholomew Co. reference might be to the burial of the other Benjamin, > who died during the Civil War and was buried in Bartholomew Co. I > presume my source was the Piatt Family Newsletter. Dee Mitchell also > reports a Shelby Co. deathplace in her PIATT Mailing List email of Fri, > 7 Jan 2000 ([PIATT] Re: PIATT-D Digest V00 #1). She might know what > the original source Shelby Co. source was. > > (2) For more on Benjamin Piatt who married Rachel McWilliams, see the > following previous emails from the PIATT Mailing List. There is also more > about their family in old issues of the Piatt Family Newsletter (PFN). > > > [PIATT] Benjamin Peatt/Piatt and Rachael McWms / Mon, 31 Jan 2000 > > [PIATT] Re: PIATT-D Digest V00 #14 / Mon, 31 Jan 2000 > > [PIATT] (Too?) Many Benjamins / Thu, 10 Feb 2000 > > (4) For Benjamin's Civil War information see the following Web page: > http://165.138.44.13/civilwar/067notes.htm > > (5) For more on Rachel McWilliams see Alley Blackford's summary on > the McWilliams Research Directory & Links: > http://members.aol.com/mcwmshist/page4.htm > > (6) Following are my notes on this Benjamin: > > BENJAMIN PEATT/PIATT/PYATT > Civil War musician, US Army > born 1807 VA > died 1863 St. Louis MO > buried Bartholomew IN > marrried 1827 Augusta VA > = Rachel McWilliams (b1805 VA, died 1900 IN) > (daughter of John McWilliams and Margaret Fisher) > (Civil War widow, 1890 Vet census St. Louis MO) > 1830 census Augusta VA > 1830,31 tax Augusta VA > - "Benjamin (of James)" > 1833-7 Delaware OH > 1840 census Marion IN > 1850-60 census Bartholomew IN > PFN 3:39,70 > PFN 4:21,92 > PFN 6:72,74,109 > > At 01:17 PM 12/5/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Dear John, > > I have Benjamin F Piatt as dying in Bartholomew Co where you have Shelby > >Co. Do you know which is correct? Also, on the other Benjamin whose father > >was James Piatt: I have no information on that line - other than one > >descendant and a three line family generation list (James, Benjamin, > >Clarissa). Could you provide more please? Thanks, Marianne > > > >On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:02:49 -0800, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > HI, MARIANNE -- > > > > > > See the extract below (from another email) for my reasoning about > > > Benjamin F. and William Peatt/Piatt/Pyatt. Benjamin was presumably > > > the male under 10 in William Peatt's household on the 1810 census of > > > Hampshire County, VA, page 24. > > > > > > -- JOHN > > > > > > At 01:52 PM 12/4/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >John, > > > > Do you still have the records which you referenced (tax lists, etc.) > > > >pulled - so that you could give us the exact abstracts by year with > >original > > > >spelling, etc? Thanks, Marianne > > > > > > At 12:35 PM 12/4/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >This may be one of 4-5 emails as I can only deal with so much at one > >time. > > > >ha ha. I have Benjamin F Pyatt with parents unknown: > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/BFP1809.html > > > >What is the source/proof for his father being William Piatt/Peepyat of > > > >Hampshire County, Virginia? Thanks, Marianne > > > > > > > > > >The only evidence so far that identifies William Piatt as the father > > > >of Benjamin F. Piatt (born ca 1808) is found in the Augusta County, > > > >VA, personal property tax lists for 1830 and 1831. There are two > > > >Benjamins listed: "Benjamin Pyatt (of William)" is distinguished from > > > >"Benjamin Pyatt (of James)." The first Benjamin must have been the > > > >son of William Peepyat/Peatt/Piatt, who was the only William in the > > > >vicinity old enough to be this Benjamin's father. The second Benjamin > > > >(born ca 1807 in Rockbridge VA, died 1863 St. Louis MO) was the son of > > > >James Peatt and Mary Donaghoe, who were married in 1805 in Rockbridge > > > >County, VA. The Piatt extracts from these tax lists were published in > > > >the Piatt Family Newsletter, vol. 5, page 103-105. It might be > > > >worthwhile to examine again the original records if you can get them > > > >on microfilm. > > > > > > > >It is hard to disentangle these two Benjamins: they were both about > > > >the same age, they both lived in Augusta County, VA, and later they > > > >both lived concurrently in Bartholomew County, Indiana. > > > > > > > >Below is a summary of what I know about your Benjamin, just in case > > > >there is a tidbit you don't have. The last 5 lines are references > > > >to information about this Benjamin in the Piatt Family Newsletter, > > > >which I suspect you have already seen. > > > > > > > >BENJAMIN F. PIATT (son of William) > > > >Farmer > > > >b ca 1808 Hampshire(?) VA > > > >d1875 Shelby IN > > > >m1833 Bartholomew IN > > > >= Ann Carter > > > > (she b1814 Gloucester NJ, > > > > d1881 Bartholomew IN) > > > >1830,1831 tax Augusta VA > > > > -- "Benjamin (of William)" > > > >1840 census Bartholomew IN > > > >1850 census Johnson IN > > > >1860 census Bartholomew IN > > > >PFN 3:66,69,70 > > > >PFN 4:92,116 > > > >PFN 5:103-108 > > > >PFN 6:72 > > > >PFN 8:74 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- John F. Keilch > > > > Berkeley, California > > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Thought for the day: Any ancestor you identify today is > just two more you have to identify tomorrow... > Keep up the good work! > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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Thanks to John Keilch for posting the Sims reference to William Peepyatt. Not only do we have a more information now but also a new spelling! A little further circumstantial information to suggest that Benjamin Piatt who married Ann Carter was the son of William Piatt (who married Mary Smith second) comes from a manuscript written by Benjamin's granddaughter Daisy Piatt Warner and published in the Piatt Family Newsletter 8:72: "What I know about our ancestors. I do not know the year Grandpa Piatt came out from Virginia to Ind. with only his clothes and an ax. He left home at 16 years because of a stepmother. He had a younger bother and an older sister that married a well to do Englishman and was disowned..." That Benjamin had a stepmother seems to be supported by the 1810 census which could be William Piatt and his first wife and children and the later census which could be William Piatt and his second wife Mary Smith, Benjamin's stepmother, and various children. Further The West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia, edited by Jim Comstock, Vol 22, pp 4848-4851 gives an account of a John C Ward, "an early settler of what became Nicholas County, [who] was born in England. He came to America in the early 1820's...[first to Augusta Co Va, then Greenbrier Co VA, and in 1840 to Craigsville, Nicholas Co VA]...[he] married Mary Elizabeth Peyatt, Peatt, Pyatt or Piatt of Virginia around 1826, whose parents came from New Jersey." It is possible that this Mary was Benjamin's sister and William's daughter, indicating that William came from New Jersey. Again, this is just more circumstantial evidence which needs hard evidence to back it up. As to the burials of Benjamin and Ann, PFN states that they are buried in Mt Pleasant Cemetery in Shelby Co IN with Benjamin dying first in Shelby Co and Ann dying later in Bartholomew Co IN. It is conceivable that after Benjamin's death Ann lived with a child in or near Columbus in Bartholomew Co but was buried with her husband in Shelby Co. The town Edinburg is in Shelby Co but on the Bartholomew Co line. Johnson Co IN borders both of these counties near Edinburg and Benjamin and Ann were there in Blue River Township in 1850. In this area a move across the road could constitute a move to a different county. I was able to research in Bartholomew Co in 1988 and in checking the notes taken then I find that the four children of Benjamin and Ann Carter Piatt who did not live to maturity were buried in the Carter Chapel in Section 11 on Lowell Station Road on the northwest edge (at the time) of Columbus. These children are: Piatt, Elizabeth R d 9 Sep 1835 1y 4m 22d Piatt, John W d 12 Feb 1836 8d Lafayette b 28 Sep 1855 d 30 Apr 1857 Rebecah J d 1 Dec 1847 10y 8m 14d Also in the Carter Chapel were Ann Carter's parents: Carter, Elizabeth w/o Nathan d 30 Mar 1847 57y 4m 11d Carter, Nathan d 26 Mar 1847 77y 11m 28d It would be interesting to know if the the last two died of an epidemic. The Carter Chapel and cemetery are on land owned by Nathan Carter and presumably given or sold to the church. There is also a mention in the records of the "Carter Settlement." Benjamin and Ann Carter Piatt are not buried in this cemetery as evidenced by no stones for them and their names not appearing in the transcription of burials there. So we would have to accept that the Shelby Co information is correct unless proved otherwise. To confuse matters a bit further, Lynn White and I went back to Bartholomew Co during a conference in a later year and also found the cemetery where the OTHER Benjamin Pyatt and wife Rachel McWilliams are buried. It is west of Columbus in Section 28 and listed as Mt Pleasant Cemetery (OF COURSE!!) but is also known as the Christian Union Chapel Cemetery. An amusing note of the trip that Lynn and I took to Bartholomew Co-- While researching in the wonderful courthouse which has a paid genealogist on staff we found record that the Sheriff had tried to serve a warrant on one Benjamin Piatt who claimed that the Benjamin Piatt named in the warrant was not he. The Sheriff then sought out the other Benjamin Piatt who made the same claim. The Sheriff returned the warrant undelivered. Ah, the advantage of having the same name. ***** Personal note: I know I owe some of the listers e-mail responses and I've been lax in posting to the surname boards. I beg for a little more time, please. I will be away for the computer for a least a week beginning Dec 7 but will try to get back at it when I return. Marianne, if you will e-mail me privately with a mailing address where I can send you some hard copies of the Indiana information I will do so when I return. You might want to add the info to your website. And keep up the good work. -- Laverne Ingram Piatt Ontario, OH

Ok Im totally confused. In your last mail, Marianne, the attatched between you and I have you saying that you show Sarah Gray as William's wife. I have Williams married to Mary (possibly Mary Margaret) Snider and one married to Lucinda Snider. I have a William Piatt (son of John Piatt I and Frances Vliet Wyckoff) married Sarah Shotwell Smith (second wife). I have a William Piatt with wife 'Precious' in the Monroe Co OH 1860 census and Hannah Ferrel-Dixen(second wife).. I have a James married to a Sarah in the same census. I have a William with an Ann V in the Washington Co OH 1880 census. I have a Joseph from 1756 who married Sarah Jane Still. I have a Sarah Pyatt d/o John S who married Ephriam Parsons. I have a William Piatt and wife Elizabeth who are burried in Jefferson Co OH. I have a Sarah Piatt who married Daniel Boyd in Meigs Co OH 1883. I have a William M son of Thomas and Emily Hall Piatt b 1841 married an Angeline. I have a Benjamin Pyatt m. Sarah Donaoho(1839) and a William Wilkenson m. Sarah Piatt (1804). I have a Sarah Piatt m. John Beaver Drum. I have a Sarah J Piatt who married McAdamiran Lack in 1870. I even have a Willie L Pyeatt on the Dawes/Guion Miller Rolls (cherokee indian). I have a William with a Sarah Murry Smith being former widow in the Rev. war pension files. I have a William D married to a Diana. I have an email from Laverne that says there was a William Piatt married to Mary Gay in OH (William being son of Jacob and Anne Thompson Piatt) But what I dont have is a William married to a Sarah Gray... IM SO CONFUSED! *feeble smile* Robin

MARIANNE -- (1) Shelby Co. IN adjoins Bartholomew Co. One may be the death place of Benjamin F. Piatt/Pyatt and the other the burial location. Or, the Bartholomew Co. reference might be to the burial of the other Benjamin, who died during the Civil War and was buried in Bartholomew Co. I presume my source was the Piatt Family Newsletter. Dee Mitchell also reports a Shelby Co. deathplace in her PIATT Mailing List email of Fri, 7 Jan 2000 ([PIATT] Re: PIATT-D Digest V00 #1). She might know what the original source Shelby Co. source was. (2) For more on Benjamin Piatt who married Rachel McWilliams, see the following previous emails from the PIATT Mailing List. There is also more about their family in old issues of the Piatt Family Newsletter (PFN). > [PIATT] Benjamin Peatt/Piatt and Rachael McWms / Mon, 31 Jan 2000 > [PIATT] Re: PIATT-D Digest V00 #14 / Mon, 31 Jan 2000 > [PIATT] (Too?) Many Benjamins / Thu, 10 Feb 2000 (4) For Benjamin's Civil War information see the following Web page: http://165.138.44.13/civilwar/067notes.htm (5) For more on Rachel McWilliams see Alley Blackford's summary on the McWilliams Research Directory & Links: http://members.aol.com/mcwmshist/page4.htm (6) Following are my notes on this Benjamin: BENJAMIN PEATT/PIATT/PYATT Civil War musician, US Army born 1807 VA died 1863 St. Louis MO buried Bartholomew IN marrried 1827 Augusta VA = Rachel McWilliams (b1805 VA, died 1900 IN) (daughter of John McWilliams and Margaret Fisher) (Civil War widow, 1890 Vet census St. Louis MO) 1830 census Augusta VA 1830,31 tax Augusta VA - "Benjamin (of James)" 1833-7 Delaware OH 1840 census Marion IN 1850-60 census Bartholomew IN PFN 3:39,70 PFN 4:21,92 PFN 6:72,74,109 At 01:17 PM 12/5/01 -0800, you wrote: >Dear John, > I have Benjamin F Piatt as dying in Bartholomew Co where you have Shelby >Co. Do you know which is correct? Also, on the other Benjamin whose father >was James Piatt: I have no information on that line - other than one >descendant and a three line family generation list (James, Benjamin, >Clarissa). Could you provide more please? Thanks, Marianne > >On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:02:49 -0800, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > HI, MARIANNE -- > > > > See the extract below (from another email) for my reasoning about > > Benjamin F. and William Peatt/Piatt/Pyatt. Benjamin was presumably > > the male under 10 in William Peatt's household on the 1810 census of > > Hampshire County, VA, page 24. > > > > -- JOHN > > > > At 01:52 PM 12/4/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >John, > > > Do you still have the records which you referenced (tax lists, etc.) > > >pulled - so that you could give us the exact abstracts by year with >original > > >spelling, etc? Thanks, Marianne > > > > At 12:35 PM 12/4/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >This may be one of 4-5 emails as I can only deal with so much at one >time. > > >ha ha. I have Benjamin F Pyatt with parents unknown: > > >http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/BFP1809.html > > >What is the source/proof for his father being William Piatt/Peepyat of > > >Hampshire County, Virginia? Thanks, Marianne > > > > > > >The only evidence so far that identifies William Piatt as the father > > >of Benjamin F. Piatt (born ca 1808) is found in the Augusta County, > > >VA, personal property tax lists for 1830 and 1831. There are two > > >Benjamins listed: "Benjamin Pyatt (of William)" is distinguished from > > >"Benjamin Pyatt (of James)." The first Benjamin must have been the > > >son of William Peepyat/Peatt/Piatt, who was the only William in the > > >vicinity old enough to be this Benjamin's father. The second Benjamin > > >(born ca 1807 in Rockbridge VA, died 1863 St. Louis MO) was the son of > > >James Peatt and Mary Donaghoe, who were married in 1805 in Rockbridge > > >County, VA. The Piatt extracts from these tax lists were published in > > >the Piatt Family Newsletter, vol. 5, page 103-105. It might be > > >worthwhile to examine again the original records if you can get them > > >on microfilm. > > > > > >It is hard to disentangle these two Benjamins: they were both about > > >the same age, they both lived in Augusta County, VA, and later they > > >both lived concurrently in Bartholomew County, Indiana. > > > > > >Below is a summary of what I know about your Benjamin, just in case > > >there is a tidbit you don't have. The last 5 lines are references > > >to information about this Benjamin in the Piatt Family Newsletter, > > >which I suspect you have already seen. > > > > > >BENJAMIN F. PIATT (son of William) > > >Farmer > > >b ca 1808 Hampshire(?) VA > > >d1875 Shelby IN > > >m1833 Bartholomew IN > > >= Ann Carter > > > (she b1814 Gloucester NJ, > > > d1881 Bartholomew IN) > > >1830,1831 tax Augusta VA > > > -- "Benjamin (of William)" > > >1840 census Bartholomew IN > > >1850 census Johnson IN > > >1860 census Bartholomew IN > > >PFN 3:66,69,70 > > >PFN 4:92,116 > > >PFN 5:103-108 > > >PFN 6:72 > > >PFN 8:74 > > > > > > > > > > > >-- John F. Keilch > > > Berkeley, California > >

The marriage record of John and Mary in Mason Co, West Virginia reads as follows: "John S Peyatt, aged 24 years 3 months, born Nicholas Co VA, farmer, son of William & Mary, to Mary C Snider, age 18, born Jackson Co WV, daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth, at the home of Thomas Snyder, by Isaac E Smith, 18 Sep 1864 on license dated 16 Sep 1864. (Book 3:19, p 196) >From http://www.angelfire.com/ar/pyeatt/JSP1842.html Can you tell me the source for your information that his mother was Sarah? Thanks, Marianne On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:05:19 -0800, PIATT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Robin, > I have John's mother as Sarah, his wife was Mary Snider. Yes I am a > decendant. > MARLENE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robin Pyatt Bellamy <triedit@primus.ca> > To: <PIATT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:00 PM > Subject: [PIATT] John S m. Mary Snider > > > > Marlene--are you a descendent of John S.? Do you show his mother as Sarah > or > > Mary? > > > > Robin > > > > > > marlene wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I am researching Pyatts in the Va-Wv area and one is William but he > was > > > married to a Sarah Gray and I can't get a handle on who his father was.I > > > know he was in Nicholas county in 1840-44 when his son John S. was born > and > > > John married Mary Snider. I have the family from that point on but > Williams > > > father is my brickwall. > > > MARLENE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <PIATT-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > > To: <PIATT-D@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:01 PM > > > Subject: PIATT-D Digest V01 #128 > > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > > > The PIATT mailing list archives can be searched at > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/PIATT-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PIATT Mailing List ==== > Remember, the best way to solve your mysteries is to post > queries early and often! We're getting new subscribers daily, > the newest member may have your answers! > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com