Jeanne, Have you tried searching the bounty land applications? I would think that if John had died Ann would have had to prove that she was married to John in order to claim the land. I've never searched those type of records so I googled "bounty lands Illinois" and found the following website: http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/family/miltract.html Since you are not sure about the bounty land, you might want to first check to see if the area in Illinois where the family lived was in fact bounty land. If it was, then you might want to read this article about War of 1812 pensions and bounty lands to see what records are available: http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1991/winter/war-of-1812.html Lorie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne S" <norsky123@hotmail.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > I guess I'd like to append a note to the message below. I have one > further question regarding early death records in the Philly area. I have > little experience researching in this area of the US A John > Garrett/Garratt appears in Spring Garden's census for 1830 and in West > Philadelphia for 1840. Where would one begin in the Philly area to find > a death, that of John Garratt/Garrett, which perhaps occurred between 1843 > (year last child born in Philadelphia, Samual Sellers Garratt) and 1850 > when a woman named Ann Garrett, who I believe is the widow of John > Garratt, is found on the West Philadelphia census with her son Samuel, > daughter Sarah J. [Jane] and son George. Since John Garratt does not > appear on the 1850 census with Ann and her children, he likely has died > between the birth year, 1843, of their last son, and the 1850 census date. > I've been unable to locate any death info for John Garratt/Garrett so far > and would appreciate any help or suggestions for finding early d! > eath sources in Philadelphia. It is believe that John had military bounty > land in Illinois, so he must have fought in one of the two wars mentioned > below. He did not get to Illinois; however, his wife Ann and their > children did show on Illinois censuses beginning in 1860 and beyond. > Again....thanks! Jeanne > > >> >> Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) >> who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden >> district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? >> Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did >> this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. >> Jeanne > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes. I have actually already sent in a request to the National Archives and Records Administratin (NARA).......hoping to hear by January some time. Also requested a pension record if one exits. The land record I'm sure I will get; the pension record is another matter. The pension record would be perhaps the most definitive, with info on both John and Ann perhaps. Will have to wait and see. Bureau of Land Management General Land Office (GLO) records indicate the military bounty land was in McLean County IL.........this is where I got the names of the children. [Google <BLM GLO Records>] then search by state/county/GARRATT. The date was 1853. The reason I feel the Mexican War might be a more likely candidate for John Garratt's service from Pennsylvania is this. Mexican War land tracts were 160-acre parcels--and that is what the GLO records show. In addition, a book about McLean County IL's bounty lands for the War of 1812 does not list a Garrett at all, but that could be just a miss. One thing that bothers me however is that John Garratt would have been 40 years old + by 1846's Mexican War......a bit old to be a fighting man. Another thing is that I believe PA only sent two companies of men to the Mexican War--very few; was he one of the few? Would there be a reason why John Garratt would have waited so long to lay claim to War of 1812 bounty land in IL.........1853 was a long time after the fact. I don't know. :)Jeanne > From: thefamilyfinder@comcast.net > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:51:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > Jeanne, > > Have you tried searching the bounty land applications? I would think that > if John had died Ann would have had to prove that she was married to John in > order to claim the land. I've never searched those type of records so I > googled "bounty lands Illinois" and found the following website: > http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/family/miltract.html Since you > are not sure about the bounty land, you might want to first check to see if > the area in Illinois where the family lived was in fact bounty land. If it > was, then you might want to read this article about War of 1812 pensions and > bounty lands to see what records are available: > http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1991/winter/war-of-1812.html > > Lorie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne S" <norsky123@hotmail.com> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US > Census > > > > > > I guess I'd like to append a note to the message below. I have one > > further question regarding early death records in the Philly area. I have > > little experience researching in this area of the US A John > > Garrett/Garratt appears in Spring Garden's census for 1830 and in West > > Philadelphia for 1840. Where would one begin in the Philly area to find > > a death, that of John Garratt/Garrett, which perhaps occurred between 1843 > > (year last child born in Philadelphia, Samual Sellers Garratt) and 1850 > > when a woman named Ann Garrett, who I believe is the widow of John > > Garratt, is found on the West Philadelphia census with her son Samuel, > > daughter Sarah J. [Jane] and son George. Since John Garratt does not > > appear on the 1850 census with Ann and her children, he likely has died > > between the birth year, 1843, of their last son, and the 1850 census date. > > I've been unable to locate any death info for John Garratt/Garrett so far > > and would appreciate any help or suggestions for finding early d! > > eath sources in Philadelphia. It is believe that John had military bounty > > land in Illinois, so he must have fought in one of the two wars mentioned > > below. He did not get to Illinois; however, his wife Ann and their > > children did show on Illinois censuses beginning in 1860 and beyond. > > Again....thanks! Jeanne > > > > >> > >> Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) > >> who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden > >> district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? > >> Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did > >> this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. > >> Jeanne > > > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message