Very good advice for me, as well as the definitive reading of the 1840-50 census information, which I sometimes forget to really look at in enough detail. Thank you for that! Another lady has just contacted me offline to offer to look at the 1840's directories for me this weekend when she has time. The youngest child, Samuel Sellers Garratt, was also a carpenter in Illinois records, like his brother George. I am also wondering if Samuel's middle name, SELLERS, plays any role in this. I've not found one so far. I believe some of the Sellers were Quakers if I remember correctly. There were several other children, too, which I did not mention beyond those on the 1850 census. All were born in Philadelphia, I believe. To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)Charles Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himWilliam Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himHenry George Garratt b. 1830 - (m. Almeda CARPENTER in 1856 in Greene Co. IL)George W. Garratt b. est. 1833 - (m. Caroline 'Carrie' Hayward in 1859 in Macoupin Co. IL)Sarah Jane Garratt b. 19 Nov 1835 (my ancestor; married William Turner Jan 1861, Greene Co. IL)Mary Adeline Garratt b. est. 1838 (m. John Asbury)Samuel Sellers b. 1843 - (m. Amanda Thurston 9 Mar 1865 in Macoupin Co. IL) Many thanks!Jeanne > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > I can see the two sons on the 1880 census and both are in agreement as to > where their parents were born. Does the daughter say the same thing? So > often, you get different places but these children agree. > > You might [the LDS have them on film] work backwards through the Phila city > directories from about 1850 and that should give you an idea of when John > died & when he shows up in the city. As his sons were carpenters and George > a master carpenter, then I would guess he was the same. > > Both the 1830 and 1840 Phila. census entries are a bit crowded on the male > side. There is no male old enough to be John on the 1830, so either that is > an omission or he was elsewhere and there must have been boarders or older > children in the household. The oldest female is 20-30 which fits his wife > Ann, bca 1799 & there seems to be a daughter under 5. > > Also, two males 15-20 in 1830. So born ca 1810-1815. Too old to be Ann's > children as she was born 1799/1800. There are two females 10-15 and 15-20, > again boarders or could they be family members from England? > > In the 1840 there are again two males 15-20. I wonder if these males were > apprentices if John was indeed a carpenter? At least you can see John is > the male 40-50, Ann the female 30-40, then two boys 5-10 one of whom was > George and perhaps a son who died or out of the household by 1850, plus > females 5-10 & 10-15 most likely daughters who are either dead or married by > 1850. > > You know from the 1850 census that the only child in the household born > prior to 1840 was son George as the other two were after that date. Ann was > about 45 when her last daughter was born in 1845. > > It is time consuming but a search of church records for churches in their > neighborhood might show christenings. These are at the LDS. I noticed a > John and Mary Garrett arrived in Phila from England in 1827. Could she be > Mary Ann? There was also a family that arrived in 1803 in July with mother > Elizabeth, children ?Milly, Elias, ?Jeremiah, and John. A male John Garrett > arrived earlier that year in May. > > English civil records start in 1837, after they had left the country. > Ancestry has some baptisms but there will be a number of John Garretts. If > they married in London, you might be in luck as those marriages are on > AncestryWorld which is like Ancestry Library Edition and should be at your > local library. > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > what you have from the census. > > Liane > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just out of curiosity, I notice that all of 'my' replies become single spaced with no spacing between in some sentences. Why is this? I double-spaced my replies for easier seeing, but it didn't translate in that way. Don't think I've had this problem before on other lists. Is there something I can do about that? :) > From: norsky123@hotmail.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:30:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > Very good advice for me, as well as the definitive reading of the 1840-50 census information, which I sometimes forget to really look at in enough detail. Thank you for that! Another lady has just contacted me offline to offer to look at the 1840's directories for me this weekend when she has time. The youngest child, Samuel Sellers Garratt, was also a carpenter in Illinois records, like his brother George. I am also wondering if Samuel's middle name, SELLERS, plays any role in this. I've not found one so far. I believe some of the Sellers were Quakers if I remember correctly. There were several other children, too, which I did not mention beyond those on the 1850 census. All were born in Philadelphia, I believe. To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)Charles Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing abo! > ut himWilliam Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himHenry George Garratt b. 1830 - (m. Almeda CARPENTER in 1856 in Greene Co. IL)George W. Garratt b. est. 1833 - (m. Caroline 'Carrie' Hayward in 1859 in Macoupin Co. IL)Sarah Jane Garratt b. 19 Nov 1835 (my ancestor; married William Turner Jan 1861, Greene Co. IL)Mary Adeline Garratt b. est. 1838 (m. John Asbury)Samuel Sellers b. 1843 - (m. Amanda Thurston 9 Mar 1865 in Macoupin Co. IL) Many thanks!Jeanne > > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > > I can see the two sons on the 1880 census and both are in agreement as to > > where their parents were born. Does the daughter say the same thing? So > > often, you get different places but these children agree. > > > > You might [the LDS have them on film] work backwards through the Phila city > > directories from about 1850 and that should give you an idea of when John > > died & when he shows up in the city. As his sons were carpenters and George > > a master carpenter, then I would guess he was the same. > > > > Both the 1830 and 1840 Phila. census entries are a bit crowded on the male > > side. There is no male old enough to be John on the 1830, so either that is > > an omission or he was elsewhere and there must have been boarders or older > > children in the household. The oldest female is 20-30 which fits his wife > > Ann, bca 1799 & there seems to be a daughter under 5. > > > > Also, two males 15-20 in 1830. So born ca 1810-1815. Too old to be Ann's > > children as she was born 1799/1800. There are two females 10-15 and 15-20, > > again boarders or could they be family members from England? > > > > In the 1840 there are again two males 15-20. I wonder if these males were > > apprentices if John was indeed a carpenter? At least you can see John is > > the male 40-50, Ann the female 30-40, then two boys 5-10 one of whom was > > George and perhaps a son who died or out of the household by 1850, plus > > females 5-10 & 10-15 most likely daughters who are either dead or married by > > 1850. > > > > You know from the 1850 census that the only child in the household born > > prior to 1840 was son George as the other two were after that date. Ann was > > about 45 when her last daughter was born in 1845. > > > > It is time consuming but a search of church records for churches in their > > neighborhood might show christenings. These are at the LDS. I noticed a > > John and Mary Garrett arrived in Phila from England in 1827. Could she be > > Mary Ann? There was also a family that arrived in 1803 in July with mother > > Elizabeth, children ?Milly, Elias, ?Jeremiah, and John. A male John Garrett > > arrived earlier that year in May. > > > > English civil records start in 1837, after they had left the country. > > Ancestry has some baptisms but there will be a number of John Garretts. If > > they married in London, you might be in luck as those marriages are on > > AncestryWorld which is like Ancestry Library Edition and should be at your > > local library. > > > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > > what you have from the census. > > > > Liane > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<<To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)>>> In case you didn't know this already, I found Ann and George Green listed right before Ann Garrett in the 1850 Census. Regards, Mary

Yes, that is the first clue I found that led me to them and on to IL for the Green family. But thanks anyway :) > From: maryewalsh@hotmail.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:17:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > <<<To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)>>> In case you didn't know this already, I found Ann and George Green listed right before Ann Garrett in the 1850 Census. > Regards, > Mary >