I found one John Garrett, grocer, at 143 N 12th St. in the 1849 -1851 Phila. City Directory. No Ann Garrett was listed. > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > what you have from the census. > > Liane >

Jeanne, Have you tried searching the bounty land applications? I would think that if John had died Ann would have had to prove that she was married to John in order to claim the land. I've never searched those type of records so I googled "bounty lands Illinois" and found the following website: http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/family/miltract.html Since you are not sure about the bounty land, you might want to first check to see if the area in Illinois where the family lived was in fact bounty land. If it was, then you might want to read this article about War of 1812 pensions and bounty lands to see what records are available: http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1991/winter/war-of-1812.html Lorie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne S" <norsky123@hotmail.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > I guess I'd like to append a note to the message below. I have one > further question regarding early death records in the Philly area. I have > little experience researching in this area of the US A John > Garrett/Garratt appears in Spring Garden's census for 1830 and in West > Philadelphia for 1840. Where would one begin in the Philly area to find > a death, that of John Garratt/Garrett, which perhaps occurred between 1843 > (year last child born in Philadelphia, Samual Sellers Garratt) and 1850 > when a woman named Ann Garrett, who I believe is the widow of John > Garratt, is found on the West Philadelphia census with her son Samuel, > daughter Sarah J. [Jane] and son George. Since John Garratt does not > appear on the 1850 census with Ann and her children, he likely has died > between the birth year, 1843, of their last son, and the 1850 census date. > I've been unable to locate any death info for John Garratt/Garrett so far > and would appreciate any help or suggestions for finding early d! > eath sources in Philadelphia. It is believe that John had military bounty > land in Illinois, so he must have fought in one of the two wars mentioned > below. He did not get to Illinois; however, his wife Ann and their > children did show on Illinois censuses beginning in 1860 and beyond. > Again....thanks! Jeanne > > >> >> Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) >> who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden >> district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? >> Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did >> this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. >> Jeanne > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Google has a downloadable U of P publication that contains many photographs in it, including that of David Jr. Weatherly, the Philadelphia lawyer and son of the Scottish clock and watchmaker and railroad executive (and my 3x-greatgrandfather). If you are interested, it can be found at the URL below: http://books.google.com/books?id=xIhPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=David+Weatherly+Jr+University+of+Pennsylvania&source=bl&ots=2LGd4aJioj&sig=Vg9_E9ieNxf0pj2plwHjhdywTf4&hl=en&ei=2CziTtinMMj50gHny7HrBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=David%20Weatherly%20Jr%20University%20of%20Pennsylvania&f=false Vince <http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/333797/vincent_summers.html>

I can see the two sons on the 1880 census and both are in agreement as to where their parents were born. Does the daughter say the same thing? So often, you get different places but these children agree. You might [the LDS have them on film] work backwards through the Phila city directories from about 1850 and that should give you an idea of when John died & when he shows up in the city. As his sons were carpenters and George a master carpenter, then I would guess he was the same. Both the 1830 and 1840 Phila. census entries are a bit crowded on the male side. There is no male old enough to be John on the 1830, so either that is an omission or he was elsewhere and there must have been boarders or older children in the household. The oldest female is 20-30 which fits his wife Ann, bca 1799 & there seems to be a daughter under 5. Also, two males 15-20 in 1830. So born ca 1810-1815. Too old to be Ann's children as she was born 1799/1800. There are two females 10-15 and 15-20, again boarders or could they be family members from England? In the 1840 there are again two males 15-20. I wonder if these males were apprentices if John was indeed a carpenter? At least you can see John is the male 40-50, Ann the female 30-40, then two boys 5-10 one of whom was George and perhaps a son who died or out of the household by 1850, plus females 5-10 & 10-15 most likely daughters who are either dead or married by 1850. You know from the 1850 census that the only child in the household born prior to 1840 was son George as the other two were after that date. Ann was about 45 when her last daughter was born in 1845. It is time consuming but a search of church records for churches in their neighborhood might show christenings. These are at the LDS. I noticed a John and Mary Garrett arrived in Phila from England in 1827. Could she be Mary Ann? There was also a family that arrived in 1803 in July with mother Elizabeth, children ?Milly, Elias, ?Jeremiah, and John. A male John Garrett arrived earlier that year in May. English civil records start in 1837, after they had left the country. Ancestry has some baptisms but there will be a number of John Garretts. If they married in London, you might be in luck as those marriages are on AncestryWorld which is like Ancestry Library Edition and should be at your local library. I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out what you have from the census. Liane

Yes. I have actually already sent in a request to the National Archives and Records Administratin (NARA).......hoping to hear by January some time. Also requested a pension record if one exits. The land record I'm sure I will get; the pension record is another matter. The pension record would be perhaps the most definitive, with info on both John and Ann perhaps. Will have to wait and see. Bureau of Land Management General Land Office (GLO) records indicate the military bounty land was in McLean County IL.........this is where I got the names of the children. [Google <BLM GLO Records>] then search by state/county/GARRATT. The date was 1853. The reason I feel the Mexican War might be a more likely candidate for John Garratt's service from Pennsylvania is this. Mexican War land tracts were 160-acre parcels--and that is what the GLO records show. In addition, a book about McLean County IL's bounty lands for the War of 1812 does not list a Garrett at all, but that could be just a miss. One thing that bothers me however is that John Garratt would have been 40 years old + by 1846's Mexican War......a bit old to be a fighting man. Another thing is that I believe PA only sent two companies of men to the Mexican War--very few; was he one of the few? Would there be a reason why John Garratt would have waited so long to lay claim to War of 1812 bounty land in IL.........1853 was a long time after the fact. I don't know. :)Jeanne > From: thefamilyfinder@comcast.net > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:51:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > Jeanne, > > Have you tried searching the bounty land applications? I would think that > if John had died Ann would have had to prove that she was married to John in > order to claim the land. I've never searched those type of records so I > googled "bounty lands Illinois" and found the following website: > http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/family/miltract.html Since you > are not sure about the bounty land, you might want to first check to see if > the area in Illinois where the family lived was in fact bounty land. If it > was, then you might want to read this article about War of 1812 pensions and > bounty lands to see what records are available: > http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1991/winter/war-of-1812.html > > Lorie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne S" <norsky123@hotmail.com> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US > Census > > > > > > I guess I'd like to append a note to the message below. I have one > > further question regarding early death records in the Philly area. I have > > little experience researching in this area of the US A John > > Garrett/Garratt appears in Spring Garden's census for 1830 and in West > > Philadelphia for 1840. Where would one begin in the Philly area to find > > a death, that of John Garratt/Garrett, which perhaps occurred between 1843 > > (year last child born in Philadelphia, Samual Sellers Garratt) and 1850 > > when a woman named Ann Garrett, who I believe is the widow of John > > Garratt, is found on the West Philadelphia census with her son Samuel, > > daughter Sarah J. [Jane] and son George. Since John Garratt does not > > appear on the 1850 census with Ann and her children, he likely has died > > between the birth year, 1843, of their last son, and the 1850 census date. > > I've been unable to locate any death info for John Garratt/Garrett so far > > and would appreciate any help or suggestions for finding early d! > > eath sources in Philadelphia. It is believe that John had military bounty > > land in Illinois, so he must have fought in one of the two wars mentioned > > below. He did not get to Illinois; however, his wife Ann and their > > children did show on Illinois censuses beginning in 1860 and beyond. > > Again....thanks! Jeanne > > > > >> > >> Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) > >> who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden > >> district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? > >> Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did > >> this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. > >> Jeanne > > > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would a directory for 1849-51 have included a man who died prior to 1850 (1849, for example)? Ann Garrett was alone on the 1850 census for West Philadelphia, so husband John would have had to have died prior to that (altho it is possible he could have died early in 1850, before the census was taken). How did directories handle that information? Was that address close to the West Philadelphia area where they lived? :)Jeanne > From: maryewalsh@hotmail.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:58:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > I found one John Garrett, grocer, at 143 N 12th St. in the 1849 -1851 Phila. City Directory. No Ann Garrett was listed. > > > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > > > > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > > what you have from the census. > > > > Liane > > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that is the first clue I found that led me to them and on to IL for the Green family. But thanks anyway :) > From: maryewalsh@hotmail.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:17:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > <<<To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)>>> In case you didn't know this already, I found Ann and George Green listed right before Ann Garrett in the 1850 Census. > Regards, > Mary >

Just out of curiosity, I notice that all of 'my' replies become single spaced with no spacing between in some sentences. Why is this? I double-spaced my replies for easier seeing, but it didn't translate in that way. Don't think I've had this problem before on other lists. Is there something I can do about that? :) > From: norsky123@hotmail.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:30:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > Very good advice for me, as well as the definitive reading of the 1840-50 census information, which I sometimes forget to really look at in enough detail. Thank you for that! Another lady has just contacted me offline to offer to look at the 1840's directories for me this weekend when she has time. The youngest child, Samuel Sellers Garratt, was also a carpenter in Illinois records, like his brother George. I am also wondering if Samuel's middle name, SELLERS, plays any role in this. I've not found one so far. I believe some of the Sellers were Quakers if I remember correctly. There were several other children, too, which I did not mention beyond those on the 1850 census. All were born in Philadelphia, I believe. To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)Charles Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing abo! > ut himWilliam Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himHenry George Garratt b. 1830 - (m. Almeda CARPENTER in 1856 in Greene Co. IL)George W. Garratt b. est. 1833 - (m. Caroline 'Carrie' Hayward in 1859 in Macoupin Co. IL)Sarah Jane Garratt b. 19 Nov 1835 (my ancestor; married William Turner Jan 1861, Greene Co. IL)Mary Adeline Garratt b. est. 1838 (m. John Asbury)Samuel Sellers b. 1843 - (m. Amanda Thurston 9 Mar 1865 in Macoupin Co. IL) Many thanks!Jeanne > > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > > > I can see the two sons on the 1880 census and both are in agreement as to > > where their parents were born. Does the daughter say the same thing? So > > often, you get different places but these children agree. > > > > You might [the LDS have them on film] work backwards through the Phila city > > directories from about 1850 and that should give you an idea of when John > > died & when he shows up in the city. As his sons were carpenters and George > > a master carpenter, then I would guess he was the same. > > > > Both the 1830 and 1840 Phila. census entries are a bit crowded on the male > > side. There is no male old enough to be John on the 1830, so either that is > > an omission or he was elsewhere and there must have been boarders or older > > children in the household. The oldest female is 20-30 which fits his wife > > Ann, bca 1799 & there seems to be a daughter under 5. > > > > Also, two males 15-20 in 1830. So born ca 1810-1815. Too old to be Ann's > > children as she was born 1799/1800. There are two females 10-15 and 15-20, > > again boarders or could they be family members from England? > > > > In the 1840 there are again two males 15-20. I wonder if these males were > > apprentices if John was indeed a carpenter? At least you can see John is > > the male 40-50, Ann the female 30-40, then two boys 5-10 one of whom was > > George and perhaps a son who died or out of the household by 1850, plus > > females 5-10 & 10-15 most likely daughters who are either dead or married by > > 1850. > > > > You know from the 1850 census that the only child in the household born > > prior to 1840 was son George as the other two were after that date. Ann was > > about 45 when her last daughter was born in 1845. > > > > It is time consuming but a search of church records for churches in their > > neighborhood might show christenings. These are at the LDS. I noticed a > > John and Mary Garrett arrived in Phila from England in 1827. Could she be > > Mary Ann? There was also a family that arrived in 1803 in July with mother > > Elizabeth, children ?Milly, Elias, ?Jeremiah, and John. A male John Garrett > > arrived earlier that year in May. > > > > English civil records start in 1837, after they had left the country. > > Ancestry has some baptisms but there will be a number of John Garretts. If > > they married in London, you might be in luck as those marriages are on > > AncestryWorld which is like Ancestry Library Edition and should be at your > > local library. > > > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > > what you have from the census. > > > > Liane > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very good advice for me, as well as the definitive reading of the 1840-50 census information, which I sometimes forget to really look at in enough detail. Thank you for that! Another lady has just contacted me offline to offer to look at the 1840's directories for me this weekend when she has time. The youngest child, Samuel Sellers Garratt, was also a carpenter in Illinois records, like his brother George. I am also wondering if Samuel's middle name, SELLERS, plays any role in this. I've not found one so far. I believe some of the Sellers were Quakers if I remember correctly. There were several other children, too, which I did not mention beyond those on the 1850 census. All were born in Philadelphia, I believe. To my knowledge, the Garratt/Garrett family all went to IL around 1851-52. John Garratt b. est. 1822 - Know nothing about himAnn Garratt - (m. George GREEN in Philadelphia around 30 Sep 1843, IL obituary info)Charles Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himWilliam Garratt b. est. 1826 - Know nothing about himHenry George Garratt b. 1830 - (m. Almeda CARPENTER in 1856 in Greene Co. IL)George W. Garratt b. est. 1833 - (m. Caroline 'Carrie' Hayward in 1859 in Macoupin Co. IL)Sarah Jane Garratt b. 19 Nov 1835 (my ancestor; married William Turner Jan 1861, Greene Co. IL)Mary Adeline Garratt b. est. 1838 (m. John Asbury)Samuel Sellers b. 1843 - (m. Amanda Thurston 9 Mar 1865 in Macoupin Co. IL) Many thanks!Jeanne > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > I can see the two sons on the 1880 census and both are in agreement as to > where their parents were born. Does the daughter say the same thing? So > often, you get different places but these children agree. > > You might [the LDS have them on film] work backwards through the Phila city > directories from about 1850 and that should give you an idea of when John > died & when he shows up in the city. As his sons were carpenters and George > a master carpenter, then I would guess he was the same. > > Both the 1830 and 1840 Phila. census entries are a bit crowded on the male > side. There is no male old enough to be John on the 1830, so either that is > an omission or he was elsewhere and there must have been boarders or older > children in the household. The oldest female is 20-30 which fits his wife > Ann, bca 1799 & there seems to be a daughter under 5. > > Also, two males 15-20 in 1830. So born ca 1810-1815. Too old to be Ann's > children as she was born 1799/1800. There are two females 10-15 and 15-20, > again boarders or could they be family members from England? > > In the 1840 there are again two males 15-20. I wonder if these males were > apprentices if John was indeed a carpenter? At least you can see John is > the male 40-50, Ann the female 30-40, then two boys 5-10 one of whom was > George and perhaps a son who died or out of the household by 1850, plus > females 5-10 & 10-15 most likely daughters who are either dead or married by > 1850. > > You know from the 1850 census that the only child in the household born > prior to 1840 was son George as the other two were after that date. Ann was > about 45 when her last daughter was born in 1845. > > It is time consuming but a search of church records for churches in their > neighborhood might show christenings. These are at the LDS. I noticed a > John and Mary Garrett arrived in Phila from England in 1827. Could she be > Mary Ann? There was also a family that arrived in 1803 in July with mother > Elizabeth, children ?Milly, Elias, ?Jeremiah, and John. A male John Garrett > arrived earlier that year in May. > > English civil records start in 1837, after they had left the country. > Ancestry has some baptisms but there will be a number of John Garretts. If > they married in London, you might be in luck as those marriages are on > AncestryWorld which is like Ancestry Library Edition and should be at your > local library. > > I think city directories would be the place to start in order to flesh out > what you have from the census. > > Liane > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you can find his children in the 1880 census, they were asked where their parents were born. Liane

Hi, Liane....thanks for your reply. Yes, most of the records do say that both John and Ann Garratt were born in England, but I guess I'd like some secondary proof......maybe even a particular place in England if anyone has any specific info on this particular family of Garratt/Garrett. I have found that many times the ethnicity was used on censuses, rather than the actual places of birth, so just want another source of confirmation. When/where John Garratt/Garrett died is really a big question. Ann and several of her children were buried in Illinois with the surname GARRATT, which I feel may be how the family viewed their own surname; however, Garrett was used predominantly in many records, but virtue of its being the most commonly used spelling I suppose. :)Jeanne > From: lfenimore@columbus.rr.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:42:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] John Garratt aka Garrett - Spring Garden 1830 US Census > > If you can find his children in the 1880 census, they were asked where their > parents were born. > > Liane > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess I'd like to append a note to the message below. I have one further question regarding early death records in the Philly area. I have little experience researching in this area of the US A John Garrett/Garratt appears in Spring Garden's census for 1830 and in West Philadelphia for 1840. Where would one begin in the Philly area to find a death, that of John Garratt/Garrett, which perhaps occurred between 1843 (year last child born in Philadelphia, Samual Sellers Garratt) and 1850 when a woman named Ann Garrett, who I believe is the widow of John Garratt, is found on the West Philadelphia census with her son Samuel, daughter Sarah J. [Jane] and son George. Since John Garratt does not appear on the 1850 census with Ann and her children, he likely has died between the birth year, 1843, of their last son, and the 1850 census date. I've been unable to locate any death info for John Garratt/Garrett so far and would appreciate any help or suggestions for finding early death sources in Philadelphia. It is believe that John had military bounty land in Illinois, so he must have fought in one of the two wars mentioned below. He did not get to Illinois; however, his wife Ann and their children did show on Illinois censuses beginning in 1860 and beyond. Again....thanks! Jeanne > > > Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. Jeanne

Looking for some definitive information on a John GARRATT (aka Garrett) who is shown on the 1830 US Census for Philadelphia in the Spring Garden district. Does anyone know who his wife was? Was he born in England? Did he fight in the War of 1812 or perhaps later in the Mexican War? Did this particular John Garratt died prior to 1850? Thanks for any insight. Jeanne

I will be on the phone today. I would be thrilled if Vital Records would develop an online "death index" as so many other States have done. Thanks for this news. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Malmat <blmalmat@bellsouth.net> To: paallegh <paallegh@rootsweb.com>; PAFRANKL-L <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com>; philly-roots <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; pawashin <pawashin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 11:51 pm Subject: [Phly-Rts] PA Vital Records SB-361 Bill Progress! Fellow Genealogists, As per "People for Better Pennsylvania Historical Records Access," SB-361 has one last important hurdle to pass before it becomes law, namely the signature of Governor Corbett. Here is what SB-361 would do: "make death certificates over 50 years old and birth certificates over 105 years old open records. It also transfers the certificates once they become open records to the Pennsylvania State Archives." This would make them available to be digitized and put online. Please contact Governor Corbett and express your support for this important bill. It would be awesome to even have an INDEX. We've all had the frustrastion of not being able to access/find records past 1905. http://users.rcn.com/timarg/PaHR-Access-ThisWeeksNews.htm#Nov%2017,%202011 Thanks, Bonnie Malmat Pennyslvania native, now living in Florida. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow Genealogists, As per "People for Better Pennsylvania Historical Records Access," SB-361 has one last important hurdle to pass before it becomes law, namely the signature of Governor Corbett. Here is what SB-361 would do: "make death certificates over 50 years old and birth certificates over 105 years old open records. It also transfers the certificates once they become open records to the Pennsylvania State Archives." This would make them available to be digitized and put online. Please contact Governor Corbett and express your support for this important bill. It would be awesome to even have an INDEX. We've all had the frustrastion of not being able to access/find records past 1905. http://users.rcn.com/timarg/PaHR-Access-ThisWeeksNews.htm#Nov%2017,%202011 Thanks, Bonnie Malmat Pennyslvania native, now living in Florida.

Dorothy, Many thanks, what I saw of a marriage was incorrect. Will relook for the item you found. Jane -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Klein Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:13 AM To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up Jane, I looked at the Public Ledger Sept 4 edition on genealogybank and checked everything that had to do with marriage, death, accident. There were many articles that were illegible however, the only one I found was the one Kate mentioned in an earlier email. It is somewhat illegible but here is my best shot: Death in A*k We learn from a gentleman living in the vicinity of As?arpark that an af??ay occurred there on Saturday, between Mr Lutz and Joseph Mount, which originated in a dog fight and resulted in the death of Mr Lutz. One gentleman said Mr L died from intense and sudden excitement and another from blows. We do not vouch for the truth of the story. - Trenton News. Dottie -----Original Message----- From: rhamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: philly-roots <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 8:18 am Subject: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up The Public Ledger index for 1844-1851 marriages and deaths lists: JOSEPH MOUNT, 9-4-1846. Do not know if it is a death or marriage, but can’t seem to find it. Would nyone care to give it a try. The page is not the best of being readable. Thank you, Jane ********* isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ******** ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4658 - Release Date: 12/05/11

Jane, I looked at the Public Ledger Sept 4 edition on genealogybank and checked everything that had to do with marriage, death, accident. There were many articles that were illegible however, the only one I found was the one Kate mentioned in an earlier email. It is somewhat illegible but here is my best shot: Death in A*k We learn from a gentleman living in the vicinity of As?arpark that an af??ay occurred there on Saturday, between Mr Lutz and Joseph Mount, which originated in a dog fight and resulted in the death of Mr Lutz. One gentleman said Mr L died from intense and sudden excitement and another from blows. We do not vouch for the truth of the story. - Trenton News. Dottie -----Original Message----- From: rhamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: philly-roots <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 8:18 am Subject: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up The Public Ledger index for 1844-1851 marriages and deaths lists: JOSEPH MOUNT, 9-4-1846. Do not know if it is a death or marriage, but can’t seem to find it. Would nyone care to give it a try. The page is not the best of being readable. Thank you, Jane ********* isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ******** ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I found the marriage on page 2, Public Ledger Sept. 4, 1846, but it is barely readable. Appears Joseph Mount married Margaret McGinley. I’d still be interested in anyone trying to decipher more of this notice. Thank you, Jane

Hi, No, this is a specific Joseph Mount, in the Public ledger Sept. 4, 1846. I've been trying to tie my Margaret Mount to her family circa 1850. (Philadelphia) Jane -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:09 AM To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up There were/are MANY Mount's in the Manasquan, NJ area. Bob, Marlton, NJ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rhamilton" <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up > The Public Ledger index for 1844-1851 marriages and deaths lists: > JOSEPH MOUNT, 9-4-1846. > Do not know if it is a death or marriage, but can’t seem to find it. > Would > anyone care to give it a try. The page is not the best of being readable. > Thank you, Jane > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4658 - Release Date: 12/05/11

There were/are MANY Mount's in the Manasquan, NJ area. Bob, Marlton, NJ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rhamilton" <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] GenealogyBank look up > The Public Ledger index for 1844-1851 marriages and deaths lists: > JOSEPH MOUNT, 9-4-1846. > Do not know if it is a death or marriage, but can’t seem to find it. > Would > anyone care to give it a try. The page is not the best of being readable. > Thank you, Jane > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message