This is great. The GSP staff is fantastic, but their hours are limited. -----Original Message----- From: PhilaResearch@aol.com To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] GSP-HSP. Note that GSP (Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania) will be rejoining HSP (Historical Society of Pennsylvania) at 1300 Locust St. I understand that this will occur sometime this year. Philadelphia Research ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Nancie..... I am looking for OBIT/Death Notice for B Frank (Franklin) SEITZINGER, died 4/4/1909 probably in Philadelphia, as he was living there in 1900CR. He was buried on 4/9/1909 at Charles Evans Cemetery, Reading. His wife was Annie E GOODFELLOW. I don't think they had children. 1900 Census shows he was a Doctor - but I don't think so....... His wife, Annie E Seitzinger died 4/1920, and is buried at Chas Evans on 4/14/1920. Maybe one for her too?! I forgot the scope of dates you have access to..... Many thanks..... Diana in AL

Hi all I'm trying to piece together where my 3g grandparents were living in the 1820s so that I can write to the Phila Catholic Archdiocese for marriage and baptism info for the family of James Reilly b. 1780 in Ireland who married "Mary" & had 2 daughters in the late 1820s James Reilly died Jul 23, 1859 and his obit showed residence as 616 S 13th. The 1860 Fed Mortality Schedule lists him as a tailor The 1859 PCD lists him as James "Riley", "gent." (gentleman), 616 S 13th The 1850 Fed Census has him as "Reilly" a gentleman in Moyamensing, 3rd Ward James Reilly's obit of 1859 noted that the funeral service was at St Theresa's RC Church. James Reilly's wife, Mary, died June 1859 and also had service at St Theresa's. St Theresa's opened in 1853, so Reillys had to attend a different church prior to 1853. I've seen the 1825 PCD that lists a James Riley, tailor, 137 Locust Also, the 1817 PCD shows James Riley, taylor, 137 Locust Was there a Catholic church in S Philly in 1820s that would have drawn people from 137 Locust and also 616 S 13th ?? I'd appreciate any help to determine if the James Reilly (Riley) tailor/gent of 1859 is the same James Riley listed from 1817-25 Thanks for any help Rick Hutton

Note that GSP (Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania) will be rejoining HSP (Historical Society of Pennsylvania) at 1300 Locust St. I understand that this will occur sometime this year. Philadelphia Research

Actually, the laws in Philly required that births and deaths be reported prior to 1860, but it wasn't until 1860 that attempts to enforce these laws became more serious. Even after that date, many clergymen ignored the laws, which is why you will find life cycle events in religious records, but not in civil records, and often not even in religious records. Births and deaths that took place at home without the intervention of physicians were also frequently not reported. My grandmother had six children and the first four were not reported. The fifth was born in 1917, the first of the children to be born in a hospital. One relative reported to me that his birth was not reported by the delivering physician because he was not expected to live, yet his twin's birth was reported. (The truth is stranger than fiction.) I searched birth records for my grandmother and her seven siblings in NYC at the turn of the century and didn't find a single one. The clerk explained that births by midwives were not required to be reported because the expectation was that so many poor children would die. Merle -----Original Message----- From: phillysleuth@verizon.net To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Mt Moriah Records at Hsp and searching for other cemetery burials HSP has a very complete collection of Mt Moriah burials which is reasonably easy to search (by year and first letter of surname, I believe). Of course its not possible to extract everyone with a particular surname as easily as it would be if it were in a database, but it isn't hard scanning, even from the microfilm. Reburials are a problem, however. I don't know if many cemeteries captured reburials in detail, but Mt Moriah doesn't seem to have or at least not easily interpreted and detected. Most of the other lists on the internet, and the GSP database, are incomplete, thru no fault of the creator, just because of the volume of data and the resulting problems with data entry. I could never get a straight answer from GSP as to what years or alphabetic ranges their db included and in fact was stalled by one of the administrative staff when I asked to talk to the person in charge of the project to get details. The only avenue Icould pursue, I was told, was to come in a search for whoever I wanted. What I wanted was something I could post which defined their database contents and limitations so that you could know what a no-find on their db meant. If you know the approximate time period when your ancestor should have been buried at M.M, it shouldn't be difficult to find them on the films (which I believe are also available thru the LDS, but someone should check that). Another idea, for those who have access to the City Archives, are cemetery returns. Normally, what I always thought of as "the cemetery return list" was the 1803-1860 list by year and surname that lists a brief summary of the deceased, cause of death, age and where they were buried, all if known. This past year I found that the City Archives has cemetery returns in a broader sense going back much further then 1860, when the recording of civil records was started. I don't know the exact starting date, but it's quite early. Basically, it's the same format as later cemetery returns... a summary of who died within the reporting period of the cemetery, and then something close to a death certificate for each person. Some of the filmed documents aren;t in the greatest shape, but many are. When I've had hints that people I was looking for were buried in a particular cemetery within a reasonable time frame, I went directly to the cemetery return for that period and have located many people's death cert, even prior to 1860, thru this mechanism, without bothering with the index or the death register. I've also picked up variations in spelling that initially thru me off the trail when looking at the index, which were resolved by looking at the cemetery return and its d.certs. For instance, one child was LEIGH in the index, LEES on the cemetery's summary return, and back to LEIGH in the death cert. Obviously the same person didn't fill all the documents in. LEES was the correct name, but if I had depended on the index and was not particularly with it that day, I might have bypassed LEIGH altogether and not found the record. You can go thru quite a few returns for a particular cemetery in a reasonably short time. They reported, in general, monthly or quarterly (as usual I forget). Sometimes they are out of order and sometimes they are for longer periods, but its definitely worth looking at them directly, especially if you can't find a particular person in the index but you know the approximate date, or when you want to look at burials before 1860. Maybe everyone else is aware of this extension on "the cemetery returns" collection, and I'm just late to the parade, but it was a really great discovery. I don't know if this collection is available thru the LDS. jo -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Many thanks to Joanne & all who responded with contact information, location, and the condition of the cemetery. This is a big help, and I look forward to following through with a call to Northwood. It helps to know what to expect since cemetery accessibility, conditions, and helpfulness varies greatly. Joanne <triton23@losch.net> wrote: Look in anywho.com for Northwood Cemetery, Philadelphia Call and ask them for a look up I've did this a few times and they are very helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larzemail" I've looked this up using Google and Mapquest to learn if there were records available and where it was located. Mapquest isn't clear (could be user error :)); is this in Germantown or neighboring it please? Has anyone visited there or obtained records there? If so, any tips? >snip< --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

HSP has a very complete collection of Mt Moriah burials which is reasonably easy to search (by year and first letter of surname, I believe). Of course its not possible to extract everyone with a particular surname as easily as it would be if it were in a database, but it isn't hard scanning, even from the microfilm. Reburials are a problem, however. I don't know if many cemeteries captured reburials in detail, but Mt Moriah doesn't seem to have or at least not easily interpreted and detected. Most of the other lists on the internet, and the GSP database, are incomplete, thru no fault of the creator, just because of the volume of data and the resulting problems with data entry. I could never get a straight answer from GSP as to what years or alphabetic ranges their db included and in fact was stalled by one of the administrative staff when I asked to talk to the person in charge of the project to get details. The only avenue Icould pursue, I was told, was to come in a search for whoever I wanted. What I wanted was something I could post which defined their database contents and limitations so that you could know what a no-find on their db meant. If you know the approximate time period when your ancestor should have been buried at M.M, it shouldn't be difficult to find them on the films (which I believe are also available thru the LDS, but someone should check that). Another idea, for those who have access to the City Archives, are cemetery returns. Normally, what I always thought of as "the cemetery return list" was the 1803-1860 list by year and surname that lists a brief summary of the deceased, cause of death, age and where they were buried, all if known. This past year I found that the City Archives has cemetery returns in a broader sense going back much further then 1860, when the recording of civil records was started. I don't know the exact starting date, but it's quite early. Basically, it's the same format as later cemetery returns... a summary of who died within the reporting period of the cemetery, and then something close to a death certificate for each person. Some of the filmed documents aren;t in the greatest shape, but many are. When I've had hints that people I was looking for were buried in a particular cemetery within a reasonable time frame, I went directly to the cemetery return for that period and have located many people's death cert, even prior to 1860, thru this mechanism, without bothering with the index or the death register. I've also picked up variations in spelling that initially thru me off the trail when looking at the index, which were resolved by looking at the cemetery return and its d.certs. For instance, one child was LEIGH in the index, LEES on the cemetery's summary return, and back to LEIGH in the death cert. Obviously the same person didn't fill all the documents in. LEES was the correct name, but if I had depended on the index and was not particularly with it that day, I might have bypassed LEIGH altogether and not found the record. You can go thru quite a few returns for a particular cemetery in a reasonably short time. They reported, in general, monthly or quarterly (as usual I forget). Sometimes they are out of order and sometimes they are for longer periods, but its definitely worth looking at them directly, especially if you can't find a particular person in the index but you know the approximate date, or when you want to look at burials before 1860. Maybe everyone else is aware of this extension on "the cemetery returns" collection, and I'm just late to the parade, but it was a really great discovery. I don't know if this collection is available thru the LDS. jo -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 01/27/2007

The GSP is the Geneaological Society of Pennsylvania. It's on Broad Street, a block or so north of Locust. -----Original Message----- From: onecrazychick@comcast.net To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Mount Moriah information I have discovered this, especially about Mt Moriah - the images alone on the website prove it........... What is the GSP? and how do I get there? ----- Original Message ----- From: <organizr01@aol.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Mount Moriah information > Mt. Moriah is a huge cemetery and at least 100,000 people were buried > there. I have serveral people that were buried there, all in the same lot, > according to death records, but a volunteer visited the cemetery and found > no headstones. The manager of the cemetery also looked for me and found > no headstones and also taught me some valuable genealogy lessons, which > other cemeteries later confirmed. > > 1. People were often buried without markers (headstones), especially > newborns and poor people. This makes our job even harder. Learning this, I > stopped being as frustrated and stopped thinking that so many death > records must be wrong if I couldn't find headstones where they were > supposed to be. Also, this explains that markers don't always crumble and > fall apart, but sometimes were just never there. > 2. In many states it is legal to bury the dead without the use of > undertakers, which are an additional expense. Cemeteries are supposed to > be notified, but people don't always do this. This is often the case with > cremations where the burials would be relatively easy. I learned this > from a cemetery in Stroudsberg. PA. Combine this with no marker! > 3. Many small local cemeteries kept no records as families took care of > graves. It wasn't until perpetual care came into existence that > record-keeping improved. > 4. Mt. Moriah is just one of many old cemeteries in terrible condition. > Most of the burials were more than a century a go, there was no perpetual > care, i.e. income, and people do terrible things to cemeteries, including > trash-dumping and vandalism. There is an active group of volunteers but > the task is simple huge. > > Finally, someone at the GSP began organizing the Mt. Moriah records about > 7 years ago but developed carpal tunnel syndrome and had to stop. I don't > know how far she got, but they are all on a computer and if you go there > and you're lucky, as I was, you can find people in 2 seconds, literally. > > Good luck. > > Merle > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Hi - Would like to find the following obituary: Dorothy F (Bairunas) Ballero, died January 1, 1950 in Philadelphia Thanks MaryAnn

No sorry - couldnt find any........ ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAlbe74721@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Mount Moriah in Philly > Barbara - I am looking for the surname Mackrell, Mackerell and would > aprpeciate if any are listed. Thank you so much for your kindness in > helping others > as well as your time- Lynn > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Mary Lucy BOSTON which was taken at the Mahan & Keller Studio in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's with Mary likely in her 20's at the time. In addition to her name someone has written "This is for Ella" and "wedding day" on the back of the photograph. I was able to locate one possible match in the 1870 census as follows: 1870 census of Philadelphia, PA: William BOSTON, age 49, a House Carpenter, born MD Rebecca BOSTON, age 45, Keeping House, born Ireland Mary BOSTON, age 22, a Clerk, born PA Emma BOSTON, age 10, born PA I'm hoping to locate someone from Mary's family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of her family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

b-abt. 1930 Phila. Has any one run across this person as part of their research. Her parents were Robert and Helen Pallatt of Phila.

Dear Nancie, I am interested in searching for records in Leverington Cemetery. How do I go about that? Sr. Marie Clark, Ihm Write to me @ _marieihm@aol.com_ (mailto:marieihm@aol.com) Many thanks....

I would like the list of Mt Moriah. Thank you Lorri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lynch" <onecrazychick@comcast.net> To: <nj@rootsweb.com>; <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Mt Moriah > For those who requested lookups/the list, I kinda got bombarded!! If you > just need the list..........and you havent gotten it by noon time, please > email me again...........I will send it out..........please be > patient!!!!! > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Joan.

thanks........... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nrtennison@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Mt Moriah > > In a message dated 2/4/2007 12:25:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > onecrazychick@comcast.net writes: > > Howdy folks.........I didnt dream that there were so many of you that > would > want Mt Moriah lookups.........I have been swamped. I will be more than > happy to send a list but at the rate of people wanting lookups - there > will be no > time for me to tackle the pile of school related work I need to do so I > am > asking that if you want to check out the list for yourself, please email > me > and I will send the list........I never dreamed that I would be bombarded > this > much.....thanks!! I can tackle more lookups on Thursday and Friday but > right now I need to get the school stuff done.......I am a senior at Rowan > (formerly Glassboro State) and I really would like to graduate in the > spring of > 2008 at the latest so I can go on for my Masters in Law and > Justice.......... > > Thanks to all for understanding!! > > Barbara > > > > Everyone with a computer can access the same list that Barbara has by > visiting the Mt. Moriah website and click on database of burials in Mount > Moriah at > upper right of screen....http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ > > Now you can get back to your school work Barbara. Real sweet of you to do > lookups for people though!!!! > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Free time - what is that? Wish I had more!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancie Sippel" <NSippel@flippinweb.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Leverington Cemetery > Over the years I've about gone crazy trying to find out if my relatives > were buried at Leverington Cemetery. Since I've been able to access > 1860 -1922 Inquirer obits I decided to go through the entire site and make > a list of all person's with Obituaries during those years who have listed > Leverington as place of interment. I've been working on it 2 days now and > I'm up to 1893. Each year gets more and more. I can see this is going to > be a little project. What I would like is for anyone on the list who has > persons buried at Leverington to e-mail me the name and death date so I > can add them to my list. I intend to look everywhere on this computer to > find Leverington listings! I wish the gentlemen who have the records of > burials would trust me enough to give me access so I could post it to the > computer. It's like pulling teeth to get any info and I do understand > that these gentlemen have more to do with their lives then look-ups. I on > the other hand have nothing but free! > time on my hands. It would be nice if we could just turn on the computer > and find Leverington burials. It isn't a very big cemetery. But anyway > if you would like to help me and future genealogist out by having your > Leverington family posted on my list I will be very very glad to have the > info. > Nancie > P.S. Please e-mail me at nsippel@flippinweb.com so as not to clog up the > Philly-list. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone with a computer can access the same list that Barbara has by visiting the Mt. Moriah website and click on database of burials in Mount Moriah at upper right of screen.... http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/

That's weird because my e-mail address was correct. nsippel@flippinweb.com wonder what's up with that? Nancie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Wise" <wiseone37@msn.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Leverington Cemetery >I tried this but the message did not go through. > > Joan > > > From: JYoung6180@aol.com > Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Leverington Cemetery > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:54:48 EST > > > In a message dated 2/4/2007 1:22:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > NSippel@flippinweb.com writes: > > P.S. Please e-mail me at nsippel@flippinweb.com so as not to clog up the > Philly-list. > > > > Nancie- > > We'd love to have any replies of a genealogical nature that might help > more > people than just the person who originally asked posted to the list. > However, the list can't handle attachments -- plain text messages only. > > Thanks! > > Joan, admin > PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 > >

In a message dated 2/4/2007 12:25:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, onecrazychick@comcast.net writes: Howdy folks.........I didnt dream that there were so many of you that would want Mt Moriah lookups.........I have been swamped. I will be more than happy to send a list but at the rate of people wanting lookups - there will be no time for me to tackle the pile of school related work I need to do so I am asking that if you want to check out the list for yourself, please email me and I will send the list........I never dreamed that I would be bombarded this much.....thanks!! I can tackle more lookups on Thursday and Friday but right now I need to get the school stuff done.......I am a senior at Rowan (formerly Glassboro State) and I really would like to graduate in the spring of 2008 at the latest so I can go on for my Masters in Law and Justice.......... Thanks to all for understanding!! Barbara Everyone with a computer can access the same list that Barbara has by visiting the Mt. Moriah website and click on database of burials in Mount Moriah at upper right of screen....http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/ Now you can get back to your school work Barbara. Real sweet of you to do lookups for people though!!!!