My mother was the oldest of three and the only one born in a hospital. She was born in 1910 but apparently it was not recorded. She had to get a delayed birth certificate in 1975 in order for my father to fill out his forms for railroad retirement. So even the hospitals were lax. Pat Ingersoll ===================== From: organizr01@aol.com Date: 2007/02/04 Sun PM 10:57:16 CST To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [Phly-Rts] Reporting births and deaths Actually, the laws in Philly required that births and deaths be reported prior to 1860, but it wasn't until 1860 that attempts to enforce these laws became more serious. Even after that date, many clergymen ignored the laws, which is why you will find life cycle events in religious records, but not in civil records, and often not even in religious records. Births and deaths that took place at home without the intervention of physicians were also frequently not reported. My grandmother had six children and the first four were not reported. The fifth was born in 1917, the first of the children to be born in a hospital. One relative reported to me that his birth was not reported by the delivering physician because he was not expected to live, yet his twin's birth was reported. (The truth is stranger than fiction.) I searched birth records for my grandmother and her seven siblings in NYC at the turn of the century and didn't find a single one. The clerk explained that births by midwives were not required to be reported because the expectation was that so many poor children would die. Merle -----Original Message----- From: phillysleuth@verizon.net To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Mt Moriah Records at Hsp and searching for other cemetery burials HSP has a very complete collection of Mt Moriah burials which is reasonably easy to search (by year and first letter of surname, I believe). Of course its not possible to extract everyone with a particular surname as easily as it would be if it were in a database, but it isn't hard scanning, even from the microfilm. Reburials are a problem, however. I don't know if many cemeteries captured reburials in detail, but Mt Moriah doesn't seem to have or at least not easily interpreted and detected. Most of the other lists on the internet, and the GSP database, are incomplete, thru no fault of the creator, just because of the volume of data and the resulting problems with data entry. I could never get a straight answer from GSP as to what years or alphabetic ranges their db included and in fact was stalled by one of the administrative staff when I asked to talk to the person in charge of the project to get details. The only avenue Icould pursue, I was told, was to come in a search for whoever I wanted. What I wanted was something I could post which defined their database contents and limitations so that you could know what a no-find on their db meant. If you know the approximate time period when your ancestor should have been buried at M.M, it shouldn't be difficult to find them on the films (which I believe are also available thru the LDS, but someone should check that). Another idea, for those who have access to the City Archives, are cemetery returns. Normally, what I always thought of as "the cemetery return list" was the 1803-1860 list by year and surname that lists a brief summary of the deceased, cause of death, age and where they were buried, all if known. This past year I found that the City Archives has cemetery returns in a broader sense going back much further then 1860, when the recording of civil records was started. I don't know the exact starting date, but it's quite early. Basically, it's the same format as later cemetery returns... a summary of who died within the reporting period of the cemetery, and then something close to a death certificate for each person. Some of the filmed documents aren;t in the greatest shape, but many are. When I've had hints that people I was looking for were buried in a particular cemetery within a reasonable time frame, I went directly to the cemetery return for that period and have located many people's death cert, even prior to 1860, thru this mechanism, without bothering with the index or the death register. I've also picked up variations in spelling that initially thru me off the trail when looking at the index, which were resolved by looking at the cemetery return and its d.certs. For instance, one child was LEIGH in the index, LEES on the cemetery's summary return, and back to LEIGH in the death cert. Obviously the same person didn't fill all the documents in. LEES was the correct name, but if I had depended on the index and was not particularly with it that day, I might have bypassed LEIGH altogether and not found the record. You can go thru quite a few returns for a particular cemetery in a reasonably short time. They reported, in general, monthly or quarterly (as usual I forget). Sometimes they are out of order and sometimes they are for longer periods, but its definitely worth looking at them directly, especially if you can't find a particular person in the index but you know the approximate date, or when you want to look at burials before 1860. Maybe everyone else is aware of this extension on "the cemetery returns" collection, and I'm just late to the parade, but it was a really great discovery. I don't know if this collection is available thru the LDS. jo -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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If If I can just stick my nose in here there is a mailing list for Mt Moriah that has some very knowledgeable folks on it. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Cemeteries/PA-PHILA-MOUNT-MORIAH-CEMETERY.html On 2/5/07, VETTE4NANCEE02@aol.com <VETTE4NANCEE02@aol.com> wrote: > > I tried sending the list in a 3 part email but it doesn't look like it went > thru must have been too big. > The following will take you there. > _http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/mmdb.txt_ > (http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/mmdb.txt) >

In connection with family marriages and funerals, I'm trying to find where the following churches were located: [1] The First Progressive Church (1860s) [2] Scott M. E. Church (1890s) [3] 4th Baptist Church (1917) All the Best! Ray MacWilliams

I tried sending the list in a 3 part email but it doesn't look like it went thru must have been too big. The following will take you there. _http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/mmdb.txt_ (http://mountmoriahcemetery.org/mmdb.txt)

In a message dated 2/5/2007 9:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, alpharamac@comcast.net writes: In connection with family marriages and funerals, I'm trying to find where the following churches were located: [1] The First Progressive Church (1860s) [2] Scott M. E. Church (1890s) [3] 4th Baptist Church (1917) >From Philadelphia Inquirer, 5 Dec 1906, Building Permits Issued Yesterday; To J. F. Hassler, for trustees of Fourth Baptist Church, cost $425.00: To take down church steeple, northwest corner, Fifth and Buttonwood Streets; All the Best! Ray MacWilliams

My Joseph Sweet and Elizabeth Eldridge were married in Philadelphia, PA on 12 Aug 1844 by a Reverend John Grant. Is there any way to find out what Church that was? Thanks. Larry D. Loiselle ditvenet@hotmail.com http://loiselle.witnesstoday.org/ Be Righteous Not Politically Correct

In a message dated 2/5/2007 9:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, alpharamac@comcast.net writes: In connection with family marriages and funerals, I'm trying to find where the following churches were located: [1] The First Progressive Church (1860s) [2] Scott M. E. Church (1890s) Scott Methodist Episcopal Church In 1890 Pastor was W.A. Jones.... In 1901 Pastor was William Ferguson and church was located at EIGHTH, above TASKER streets [3] 4th Baptist Church (1917) All the Best! Ray MacWilliams

In a message dated 2/5/2007 9:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, alpharamac@comcast.net writes: In connection with family marriages and funerals, I'm trying to find where the following churches were located: [1] The First Progressive Church (1860s) Advertisement from 5 March 1864, edition of Philadelphia Inquirer, page 4...... REMOVED.-- The First Progressive Christian Church is now corner of TENTH and FILBERT Streets. Preaching by the Pastor Rev. S. M. Landis, M.D., every Sabbath, at 10 & 1/2 A.M. and 7 & 1/2 P.M. and lecture each Thursday at 9 & 1/2 P.M. Subject tomorrow evening-- "Love to God and Man" Thursday next lecture on "Mental Stupidity." Seats Free. All are cordially invited. I'm working on the next two??????????????????????????????????? [2] Scott M. E. Church (1890s) [3] 4th Baptist Church (1917) All the Best! Ray MacWilliams

http://www.archdiocese-phl.org/parishes/phl-s.htm http://www.archdiocese-phl.org/parishes/phl-n.htm I believe these will give you the boundaries of Catholic parishes.

http://www.rc.net/philadelphia/pahrc/ May prove helpful.

I went to GenBank and used "St." as 1st name and "Markus" as middle name and "Church" as last name and got 11 hits, all obituaries of Philadelphia Inquirer. Went to different years and came up with that. Then I "googled" [Is this a word yet?] GERMAN REFORMED CHURCH and got that. Glad I could help!!! There's a lot of stories in the old Inquirer's. Just finding them is the task!!! In a message dated 2/5/2007 9:33:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, marmfin@comcast.net writes: Please tell me how you found St. Markus and now this! Awesome! I guess Adam NAHM "married into" the church. Mary

Please tell me how you found St. Markus and now this! Awesome! I guess Adam NAHM "married into" the church. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nrtennison@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] St. Markus Chruch > > Check it out here Mary > _http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Reformed_Church_In_The_United_States_ > (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Reformed_Church_In_The_United_States) > > > In a message dated 2/5/2007 8:03:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > marmfin@comcast.net writes: > > I just found an obit from 1901. > > The funeral service took place at St. Markus Church, 5th and Huntington > Sts. > I googled it with no luck. I know it was not R. Catholic. Adam NAHM was > born into a large Catholic family in Eshbach, Baden, but I am certain > this > church is/was not Catholic. > > Thanks! > Mary McCanney Finley > > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you! I'm not sure I know what to do with this information, but it is nice to know! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nrtennison@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] St. Markus Chruch > >From The Philadelphia Inquirer: > > In 1895, St. Markus Church, 5th above Huntingdon............ > > In 1912, St. Markus Reformed Church.....no address > > In 1918, St. Markus German Reformed Church.....no address.....but had a > real > active Ladies Aid Society....that were invited to a lot of funerals; > > > > just found an obit from 1901. > > The funeral service took place at St. Markus Church, 5th and Huntington > Sts. > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's cinched. Louis CURE who married a Sarah, did indeed, as I made somewhat of a guess, married Sarah CONNOR, daughter of Thomas G. and Mary Lort CONNOR. Now Mary had sister Ann and brother Isaac. Ann married a McNEAL. Does anyone have any connection or information with or for any of these? Vince Summers P.S. We're talking late 1700's and early 1800's here.

Check it out here Mary _http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Reformed_Church_In_The_United_States_ (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Reformed_Church_In_The_United_States) In a message dated 2/5/2007 8:03:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, marmfin@comcast.net writes: I just found an obit from 1901. The funeral service took place at St. Markus Church, 5th and Huntington Sts. I googled it with no luck. I know it was not R. Catholic. Adam NAHM was born into a large Catholic family in Eshbach, Baden, but I am certain this church is/was not Catholic. Thanks! Mary McCanney Finley

>From The Philadelphia Inquirer: In 1895, St. Markus Church, 5th above Huntingdon............ In 1912, St. Markus Reformed Church.....no address In 1918, St. Markus German Reformed Church.....no address.....but had a real active Ladies Aid Society....that were invited to a lot of funerals; just found an obit from 1901. The funeral service took place at St. Markus Church, 5th and Huntington Sts.

I will email you the list once I get home - I am sitting in the school computer lab typing in much needed notes for class since I can get peace and quiet away from kids and parental units.......I should be home by 7 - if I dont send tonight - it will be first thing in the morning......I am up at 230 am for work. -------------- Original message -------------- From: <whitewolf2004@verizon.net> > BArbara: > > Bauer--jacob and/or fredrich > > Clark-john--jane > > Cox--Robert > > Stewarts--hugh, jane > > Whites--james, matilda, robert > > > Appreciate your help. > > Jim White > > From: Barbara Lynch > >Date: 2007/02/03 Sat PM 04:54:32 CST > >To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [Phly-Rts] Mount Moriah in Philly > > >I have an extensive list of Mount Moriah burials if anyone is interested - > please email me at onecrazychick@comcast.net....its 54 pages long!! > > > >Barbara Lynch > > > > > >********* > >Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > >********* > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I just found an obit from 1901. The funeral service took place at St. Markus Church, 5th and Huntington Sts. I googled it with no luck. I know it was not R. Catholic. Adam NAHM was born into a large Catholic family in Eshbach, Baden, but I am certain this church is/was not Catholic. Thanks! Mary McCanney Finley

In a message dated 2/5/2007 3:29:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, marmfin@comcast.net writes: New Cathedral Cemetery, 2nd and Butler Sts., Philadelphia, PA 19140. Phone-215-534-3212. The cemetery is in very lovely condition. I've included the phone number, but you will most likely be directed to Catholic Cemeteries Office, 111 S. 38th St., Phila. PA 19104. PH-215-895-3450. Email- cemetery@phila.org They have always been very nice. Mary McCanney Finley Dear MARY MCCANNEY FINLEY, Someone just before you gave me the e-mail address for the Catholic Cemeteries office. I have already sent them an e-mail. Thanks for replying to my query! Regards, Jacki Russell Jacqueline Sleeper Russell Website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surna me=A

New Cathedral Cemetery, 2nd and Butler Sts., Philadelphia, PA 19140. Phone-215-534-3212. The cemetery is in very lovely condition. I've included the phone number, but you will most likely be directed to Catholic Cemeteries Office, 111 S. 38th St., Phila. PA 19104. PH-215-895-3450. Email- cemetery@phila.org They have always been very nice. Mary McCanney Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackisr@aol.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] 1890 Death record: ERNESTINE (ABERCROMBIE) FIELD bur.New Cathedral Cemetery > Thought I would share transcription of death record. Good thing I knew > who > her parents were as they don't list parents for adults, only minors (in > this > era) and was disappointed her place of birth was missing as I do not have > this. > I know nothing about the New Cathedral Cemetery. ERNESTINE was an adult > convert to Catholicism. Any cemetery research suggestions are very > welcome! > ================================================== > RETURN OF DEATH in the City of Philadelphia - Physician's Certificate: > #36. > (Received from: Philadelphia Archives on 2-5-07) > Name of Deceased: ERNESTINE A. FIELD > Color: White > Sex: female > Age: 95/2 years > Married or Single: Married (note - had been widow since 1870) > Date of death: March 23, 1890 > Cause of Death: Inanition? > by: ? J. O'NEILL?, M.D. > Residence: 1809 Vine St.? > > UNDERTAKER'S CERTIFICATE IN RELATION TO DECEASED. > Occupation: 0 > Place of Birth: 0 > (When a Minor) Name of father & mother: 0 > Ward: 20th Ward. > Street & No. 1723 Nth 10th Street > Date of Burial: Wednesday, March 26, 1890. > Place of Burial: New Cathedral Cemetery > > /s/ MAURICE HAYES, Undertaker. > Residence: 1410 Nth 11th Street. > ======================================================= > > Jacqueline Sleeper Russell > Website: > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surna > me=A > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >