I was married in 1968 and advised, though I can't recall by whom, to drop my middle name and use my maiden name as my middle name, which I did and still do. Also interesting: I have women in my family who married more than once and used their maiden names on marriage licenses numbers 2, 3 and 4 in the 19th century, making them easy to trace. I wish my 20th century ancestors who married more than once had done the same. Merle -----Original Message----- From: seekay@comcast.net To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Maiden names Susan, I see it all the time informally (e.g., cousins who are always referred to by their maiden name), but not usually formally (e.g., the headstone). Many times it's because there are many others of the same first name in the family, and I've seen it in Ireland, too, so it's not a Philadelphia thing. I even see it a lot (impliedly) on US census records, where it turns out the woman's middle initial is actually the initial of her maiden name -- and in those cases, it's not always an Irish woman. Maybe it's just that women used their maiden names more than we thought? In my own family, I've seen it as far back as someone born (in the US of Irish descent) in the 1860s who was always known by her maiden name within the family. It sure is helpful when doing genealogy, as long as you find someone with a long memory! ;-) Claire K. On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Susan Regan wrote: > My gr.gr. grandmother and her sister always used their maiden names > along with their married ones like some women today. They were > Irish immigrants that settled in Philly in the 1870s and 1880s. > Their names are even listed that way on their headstones (Annie > Martin Daley and Margaret Martin Wymer). I haven't found that to > be typical. Any clues to why they might have done that? > Thanks, > Susan Regan ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Note from "larzemail" <larzemail@yahoo.com> Are you in search of a particular record or piece of information? It helps to know what you have in order to avoid doing look ups in sources you have already checked if you are simply seeking additional information. I am looking for information on George Webb and his Wife Elizabeth Kiely (not sure of the spelling) Most of the information I have is from U.S. Census and several death certificates. George Webb (the father) was born about 1803 in Pa. d. 4/10 1877 in N.J. No death certificate found in N.J. Elizabeth b 1/28/1803 in Pa. d. 1/29/1901 in N.J. No helpful information on death certificate. Need information on the parents of George and Elizabeth, place of birth for each, time and place of marriage. Religious affiliation unknown. The first I can find this family in 1840, Northern Liberties Ward 6 page 26 in Phila. First child born was Janira in Pa. May 17, 1827. The other part of the family that I looking for is Sarah Jane Yost ,the wife of George (the son) b march 17, 1834 in Phila. Sarah or Sarah Jane Yost was born 1/9/1839 in Pa. On her death certificate it is listed as father, Alexander Yost and the mother as Schlichter. I have found information on Alexander Yost and Catherin Schlichter, but dates and names do not match up. If I could find a marriage certificate for George Webb and Sarah or Sarah Jane Yost, that may show that their is wrong information on the death certificate. The first child born to George and Sarah, George born Aug 25,1858. Any information on the above families would be appreciated. John

Listers, Can anyone tell me if the PCD for the above years had listings for Collegeville, near Holmesburg? I am looking for a Thomas and Mary Eliz. Sinexon. Her maiden name was Justus. Her obit of 1866 lists her as being buried from her late address "Collegeville, near Holmesburg". Any help appreciated. Olga

Death records from that date are at the Philadelphia Archives and, I think, the LDS. Sndtenterprises Genealogical and Historical Research

I'm looking for anyone who might remember my father's family. His parents names were. Joseph Cosgrove and Laura Smiley Cosgrove Children William- died during flu epidemic AnnaMae-known as Mickey Harry-my father Catherine Ruth Loretta Dorothy Joseph and Margaret ( twins ) died as babies Walter They were from St. Edward's and St. Malachy's parishes. Time period 1920's and 1930'sAny help would be much appriciated! My grandfather Joseph was a truck driver. Eileen

Does anyone remember the Cosgrove Family from West Phila.? We lived at 5274 Jefferson St. St. Gregory's Parish. My parents were. Harry Cosgrove and Eleanor Callahan Cosgrove Children Harry Thomas-known as Ricky Francis Eileen Barbara My grandparents also lived with us. Thomas Callahan and Nora Hogan Callahan. We lived there from 1941 to 1963. My grandfather Thomas worked on the railroad. Any help would be much appreciated! Eileen

Hi Everyone, Yes, I am back with more questions isn't that what genealogy does to us all? Would anyone know what high schools would have been around or may still be around for 6oth st.? Two brothers one born in 1902 and the other born 1907. How would I find out what school(s) they may have gone to? They lived in West Philly on 6oth St.. Thanks I have and do, appreciated all the kindness and help provided from this group of listers. Someday I hope to be as educated and informed as you are. Patti ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php

Susan, I see it all the time informally (e.g., cousins who are always referred to by their maiden name), but not usually formally (e.g., the headstone). Many times it's because there are many others of the same first name in the family, and I've seen it in Ireland, too, so it's not a Philadelphia thing. I even see it a lot (impliedly) on US census records, where it turns out the woman's middle initial is actually the initial of her maiden name -- and in those cases, it's not always an Irish woman. Maybe it's just that women used their maiden names more than we thought? In my own family, I've seen it as far back as someone born (in the US of Irish descent) in the 1860s who was always known by her maiden name within the family. It sure is helpful when doing genealogy, as long as you find someone with a long memory! ;-) Claire K. On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Susan Regan wrote: > My gr.gr. grandmother and her sister always used their maiden names > along with their married ones like some women today. They were > Irish immigrants that settled in Philly in the 1870s and 1880s. > Their names are even listed that way on their headstones (Annie > Martin Daley and Margaret Martin Wymer). I haven't found that to > be typical. Any clues to why they might have done that? > Thanks, > Susan Regan

I am told that after marriage, it is proper AND preferable for the bride to drop her middle given name and use her maiden name instead. On all of my national society certificates my name is given name --- MaidenName -- husband's surname. All of the publications I receive for Daughters of the American Revolution and Daughters of the American Colonists the women officers' names appear this way if they had been married. JMHO Dori

My gr.gr. grandmother and her sister always used their maiden names along with their married ones like some women today. They were Irish immigrants that settled in Philly in the 1870s and 1880s. Their names are even listed that way on their headstones (Annie Martin Daley and Margaret Martin Wymer). I haven't found that to be typical. Any clues to why they might have done that? Thanks, Susan Regan

Hi Everyone, Yes, I am back with more questions isn't that what genealogy does to us all? Would anyone know what high schools would have been around or may still be around for 6oth st.? Two brothers one born in 1902 and the other born 1907. How would I find out what school(s) they may have gone to? They lived in West Philly on 6oth St.. Thanks I have and do, appreciated all the kindness and help provided from this group of listers. Someday I hope to be as educated and informed as you are. Patti ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

The Philadelphia City Archives http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/genealgy.htm is one place to obtain death records. If not able to visit in person, you can order these through the mail (cost is $9) or have someone do that for you (that costs more--I did this for someone and for reimbursement of travel and copies only, it cost about $13 & I'm not sure what researchers' fees are but that's an option as well) or visit the archives in person in which case you'll pay for the copies only unless you chose to photograph or transcribe the film. I've never ordered through the PCA, so I don't know how long it will take or what the chances are of having a response of no record found. The same films at PCA may be ordered through your local family history center; see www.familysearch.org for the catalog. The cost would be the per-film cost plus copy costs if you make copies with the total being about $13 -- $6 per film, $ 25 per copy made. These are the options I'm familiar with. I hope this helps. Congratulations on your new discovery! Alw48@aol.com wrote: After many years of searching, I have learned that one of my ancestors died in Philadelphia on January 25, 1889. The Philadelphia Inquirer does not have any other information and I want to find where he is buried in order to track some other elusive family members. Can someone tell me where to send for a death certificate? --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.

Patti, what's the surname of the player your researching? Based on researching thru GenBank's Philadelphia Inquirer's. I'm guessing this team was the West Philadelphia High School second string or Reserves. Probably playing whoever they could schedule a event with. News Article, 4 January 1922, page 14, The Philadelphia Inquirer: SPEEDBOY CUBS PULL THROUGH: West Philadelphia High School Reserves also won the second team game, defeating West Catholic second team 24 to 21. The Speedboys forged to the front in this game also, due in part to the brilliant shooting of MCMAHON and KIPPLINGER and the all-around work of WALSH, HALPERN, and BURROUGHS. "We're talking basketball here now. It's January and they're doing brilliant shooting. [nrt]" In a message dated 2/12/2007 11:13:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, lfenimore@columbus.rr.com writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Valverde" <atsilac5@yahoo.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] West Phil. Cubs 1921 baseball team > Hi, > How can I find out about this baseball team? I don't > know if it's affiliated with a school or a local team. > I have a newspaper article that has a surname that I'm > researching. Just has this last name of player. I > think it would fit if S. 60th st. would be west > phila. in 1921. Any thoughts, advice or direction of > any kind would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > Patti

Hi, The surname is TAKAKJY that is listed. There are two brothers one born in 1902 and the other born in 1907. I would believe that it was one of them since they lived in that area and the last name is not common. I was just hoping to perhaps get more information on who it was and anything else that may have been printed. If it was a school I then would have tried to find out which school and try to see if this relative graduated and if so then possibly a year book picture. You know, you just want to get everything you can get your hands on. I don't know what to do from here out on this. Thanks everyone for your input and open to more suggestions. Patti --- Nrtennison@aol.com wrote: > > Patti, what's the surname of the player your > researching? > > Based on researching thru GenBank's Philadelphia > Inquirer's. I'm guessing > this team was the West Philadelphia High School > second string or Reserves. > Probably playing whoever they could schedule a event > with. > > News Article, 4 January 1922, page 14, The > Philadelphia Inquirer: > > SPEEDBOY CUBS PULL THROUGH: > West Philadelphia High School Reserves also won > the second team game, > defeating West Catholic second team 24 to 21. The > Speedboys forged to the front > in this game also, due in part to the brilliant > shooting of MCMAHON and > KIPPLINGER and the all-around work of WALSH, > HALPERN, and BURROUGHS. > > "We're talking basketball here now. It's January > and they're doing > brilliant shooting. [nrt]" > > > In a message dated 2/12/2007 11:13:47 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > lfenimore@columbus.rr.com writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P Valverde" <atsilac5@yahoo.com> > To: <PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:16 PM > Subject: [Phly-Rts] West Phil. Cubs 1921 baseball > team > > > > Hi, > > How can I find out about this baseball team? I > don't > > know if it's affiliated with a school or a local > team. > > I have a newspaper article that has a surname that > I'm > > researching. Just has this last name of player. I > > think it would fit if S. 60th st. would be west > > phila. in 1921. Any thoughts, advice or direction > of > > any kind would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Patti > > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

417 S. 6oth St. is in W. Phila. between Pine and Osage. Pat Ingersoll ===================== From: P Valverde <atsilac5@yahoo.com> Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 07:16:55 CST To: PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Phly-Rts] West Phil. Cubs 1921 baseball team Hi, How can I find out about this baseball team? I don't know if it's affiliated with a school or a local team. I have a newspaper article that has a surname that I'm researching. Just has this last name of player. I think it would fit if S. 60th st. would be west phila. in 1921. Any thoughts, advice or direction of any kind would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Patti ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After many years of searching, I have learned that one of my ancestors died in Philadelphia on January 25, 1889. The Philadelphia Inquirer does not have any other information and I want to find where he is buried in order to track some other elusive family members. Can someone tell me where to send for a death certificate?

Sorry about the confusion. I don't know how you got the notice. I had a census page forwarded to Sandy Lovell. Pat Ingersoll ==================================================================== From: tp60@comcast.net Date: 2007/02/10 Sat PM 03:51:00 CST To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Patricia Ingersoll has sent you a census image for our ancestor Hello. I am Pat. Your sent me a note about our Ancestor ?? i never got one Please help me out. My ancestor are Crawford from Mt Carmel Pa. please get back to me Thank You. Pat -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sandy0412@aol.com > Thank you very much Pat for the image!!! > > Sandy Lovell > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're welcome. ===================== From: Sandy0412@aol.com Date: 2007/02/10 Sat PM 02:14:16 CST To: PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Phly-Rts] Patricia Ingersoll has sent you a census image for our ancestor Thank you very much Pat for the image!!! Sandy Lovell ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried comparing the names of team members with the 1920 census to find out their ages? They may have been men in their twenties or older who had played in HS and continued in league play. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Valverde" <atsilac5@yahoo.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] West Phil. Cubs 1921 baseball team > Hi, > How can I find out about this baseball team? I don't > know if it's affiliated with a school or a local team. > I have a newspaper article that has a surname that I'm > researching. Just has this last name of player. I > think it would fit if S. 60th st. would be west > phila. in 1921. Any thoughts, advice or direction of > any kind would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > Patti > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Mary! In light of Mary's comments, I'd say Patti's only hope of finding out more about the team -- and I have to stress this would be a REAL longshot -- is if there was a local neighborhood paper that has been preserved at a local branch library. My mother's family was from SW Phila.; their neighborhood was Clearview, a bordering neighborhood was The Meadows. Both had local papers and the closest branch of the FLP today is in The Meadows (I think, this is all hearsay), where the paper from The Meadows is preserved but the Clearview one is not. And note, this is in the branch library, not the main FLP newspaper collection. However, I'd imagine the local papers would still talk mostly about scores, not so much about who the players' family members were. If that's the kind of information Patti's looking for (e.g., "official"' team records of players, their addresses, dues, or whatever), I'd say there's probably a one in a million chance that anything like that would survive. Hope this helps, Patti. Claire K. On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Mary Finley wrote: > I was born and raised in West Philadelphia and 60th St. was then > and is now > considered West Phila. (Cobbs Creek neighborhood now...West End then). > I would be very surprised if any records exist for a "West > Philadelphia > Cubs" base ball team other than what Patti found....a short tally of a > game's results. > I can tell Patti what it was like in my era (1938-1960) and surely > before > that. 60th St. was the business district. Lots of little > storefronts with > families living behind and above their shops. By the 1920's and > probably > before that a great many stores were run by hardworking Jewish > families. > Our baker, tailor, shoemaker, etc. were all Jewish. The shoemaker > would > come out from his living room directly behind the shop to wait on > you. I can > still remember the wonderful aromas from the Jewish Deli. > We Catholic kids had wonderful hot bagels long before they became > readily > avaiable and "hot"! > > I hope this isn't too far off topic! > > Mary McCanney Finley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claire K" <seekay@comcast.net> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] West Phil. Cubs 1921 baseball team > > >> Hi Patti, >> >> I'd guess it was not a school team, as they played the "Strawbridge & >> Clothier Juniors" (S&C being a department store, so either they were >> sponsored by S&C or they were employed there). My guess, based >> purely on that, would be that yours was a neighborhood team (hence >> the name "West Philadelphia Cubs") for young adults (assuming they'd >> be matched age-wise against a "junior" team). But maybe someone from >> West Philadelphia will have actual knowledge of this... >> >> Claire K. >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2007, at 8:16 PM, P Valverde wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> How can I find out about this baseball team? I don't >>> know if it's affiliated with a school or a local team. >>> I have a newspaper article that has a surname that I'm >>> researching. Just has this last name of player. I >>> think it would fit if S. 60th st. would be west >>> phila. in 1921. Any thoughts, advice or direction of >>> any kind would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >>> Patti >> >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http:// > archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Claire K seekay@comcast.net