Many thanks for encouraging me to call. I did for one specific record (a g-g-grandmother) and thought that maybe a g-uncle might be buried with her. What a wonderful surprise to learn that the g-grandparents were there too! The woman who answered when I called was very pleasant, and I was delighted with the results. Additionally, she offered the information that there are no markers on the graves, so this has saved me a long trip to an unfamiliar area. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.

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In a message dated 3/22/2007 6:24:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, JLutz54950@aol.com writes: What are Non Civil War Pension Files? That's a first for me. I only knew of the Civil War Pension Files. Joan L in Fl ---- You can check with NARA for any pension file...for instance I have a 20 page copy of my Revolutionary War ancestor's pension file. it includes a lot of genealogical information plus affidavits regarding his service as a teamster driving a wagon during the war. Pension files are very interesting. For the Revolutionary War pension file I had to send to the state archives in Harrisburg rather than NARA--but I checked with NARA first as some are found there. Joan ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I've been asked to provide information about the general resources at RootsWeb that I previously mentioned, so here goes... http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/ I'd recommend Digest mode for new subscribers to ROOTS-L so follow the instructions carefully. To subscribe to the RootsWeb Review, go here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ Everyone interested in what is going on around RootsWeb and what resources are available and new for genealogists should be subscribed to the weekly RootsWeb Review. Joan, admin PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

In case you aren't aware of this: All wills must be ordered at the Dept of Wills office in City Hall office. The orders will be sent up to the storage area under the City Archives and brought back at some unspecified time to the Dept of Wills, where you must return to view them. I don't know their estimated time frame or how you will be notified it has come in. What this does is eliminate the ability for same- day service. Many people who were able to get to the Will Dept early enough in the day to get the index information would then zip up to the City Archives, phone downstairs to Bobby, and he would bring it up for review if it was before 2:30-3:30. If you already had the will index from some other source, you could go directly to the C.A. for retrieval and viewing, avoiding City Hall entirely. Now it's all being handled similarly to the viewing of marriages >1915... you put your order in at the office and some days later come back to look at it. This is going to be a hardship on out -of-towners, as I interpret it, but knowing how our wonderful city government works, I doubt there is a way around it. jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 03/15/2007 11:27 AM

Revolutionary War pensions files are on HeritageQuest. Your local library should have that and it is accessible at home. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: <User917826@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Non Civil War Pension records > > Hi.. > > I am assuming that they mean other wars...like the War of 1812. I would > love > to know if you can check for those records online? Can you access them at > NARA in downtown Philadelphia? I have several Philadelphia ancestors who > fought > in a variety of wars before and after the Civil War. > > > Bev W > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi.. I am assuming that they mean other wars...like the War of 1812. I would love to know if you can check for those records online? Can you access them at NARA in downtown Philadelphia? I have several Philadelphia ancestors who fought in a variety of wars before and after the Civil War. Bev W ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

What are Non Civil War Pension Files? That's a first for me. I only knew of the Civil War Pension Files. Joan L in Fl ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Tampa Tribune, 18 March 2007: Copy fees for some National Archives documents will jump substantially under a proposed rate change. Passenger arrival lists: Presently $17.25, Proposed: $25.00. Federal Census Requests: Presently $17.50, Proposed: $25.00 Eastern Cherokee Applications to the Court of Claims: Presently $17.50, Proposed: $25.00 Land entry records: Presently $17.75, Proposed: $40.00 Full pension file more than 75 years old (Civil War period): Presently $37.00, Proposed: $125.00. Full pension file more than 75 years old (non-Civil War period): Presently $37.00, Proposed: $60.00. Pension documents packet (selected records): Presently $14.75, Proposed: $25.00 Bounty land warrant application files: Presently $17.25, Proposed: $25.00. Off topic? Maybe but very important. Jim in sunny Florida

Hi Kori, Sorry, I can't help with your Stammfuss family, only with general comments. First, the German convention of * = born, + = died, oo = married is not used in the US, so most readers of your message may not have understood the details you posted, which may limit the responses you get. You say you can't find the family after 1900 (Henry and daughter Emma) or 1880 (rest of family) in the censuses and you wonder if the parents divorced and the kids took the mother's maiden name. First, have you searched the censuses for Stammfusses outside Philadelphia? Outside Pennsylvania? They could have moved, and/or the daughters may have married (so were no longer named Stammfuss), which I would explore before assuming a divorce/renaming. If the census doesn't help, you might ask for a lookup in city directories or online newspapers to help narrow down dates of death. From there, you can move on to death certificates, cemetery records, etc., to help find the rest of the family. Philadelphia birth/marriage/death records begin 1 July 1860, and indexes and registers are available for most years through the Latter- day Saints' Family History Centers (see familysearch.org) (so you could search for the parents' marriage and the kids' births, marriages, and deaths). Prior to that date (e.g., for Cordelia's birth), you would need church baptismal/marriage/death records. Philadelphia has a printed marriage index that covers 1885-1916 marriages, so maybe someone could check the Stammfuss index entries for you to see if any of the kids' marriages can be found. The boys would have been 34-41 in 1917, so you might want to look for them in World War I Draft Registrations (on Ancestry and on microfilm). To answer your questions, they could have legally changed their names (and so left a court record), but it's more likely that, if they did change their names, they just started using a different name and therefore there are no records. Divorce is possible, but divorce records in Philadelphia are sealed for privacy reasons (you might be able to get access, but it's an involved process). And hotel keepers (or boarding houses) are listed in the city directories -- maybe someone could look up a few years for you? Hope this helps. Claire K. On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Kori Kruse wrote: > Hi all, > > i search information about family Stammfuss. > i know all about them until the census of 1900. > In the censuses from 1910-1930 there is not any hint about the > family... > > Head of the family: > > Henry Stammfuss( Stamfooz, Stemmfuss, Seammfuss, Stammfuse, Stamfer > and so > on ... ) > * Mai 1839 in germany +? > he came 1868 from hamburg to new york - naturalization in 1875 > > wife: Cordelia *abt 1855 philadelphia +? - no information about her > parents > > they had 6 children (born in philadelphia) and i find nothing about > them > after 1900 > > Amelia 22.09.1874 > Mary C 18.09.1875 > Charles H 13.09.1876 > James 26.01.1878 > Emma 1880 > Frederick C 24.04.1883 > > In 1900 Henry lived only with Emma in 211 Spruce street. > > I think they changed the surname > Are there any lists of changing surnames? > > It can also be, that henry and cordelia divorced and the children > adopt the > maiden name? > > Henry was a Hotel Keeper - lodgings - boarder - landlord. Are they > any lists > of hotels or landlords? > > Where i get the birth certificate or copies of baptismal certificate? > > Thank you very much for your help. > > Kori Kruse > > www.stammfuss.de >

Hello Would somebody on the list have the marriage index for Camden County in N.J. I am looking for the marriage of George Webb, b bout 1834 and Sarah or Sarah Jane Yost b 1839. They were married between 1855 and 1860. Any information would be appreciated. John

Let's get back to our normal genealogy discussion and keep these off-topic comments off the list. If anyone feels more needs to be said--please contact me privately. I've given a pretty clear description as to what is and isn't acceptable and it isn't necessary for everyone to jump in with their two cents on the topic on the list. Those who have asked to be unsubbed have been--so there is no need to comment on the subject any further. Joan, admin ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Take this offline where it should be. This site is for research. Let's keep it that way -----Original Message----- From: philly-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:philly-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:39 PM To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Terminology + phone calls vs letters. ADMIN In a message dated 3/20/2007 1:29:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, organizr01@aol.com writes: As others have pointed out, terms like "drunk," "bastard," "Negro" were acceptable in the past, but are no longer acceptable. In fact, they are hurtful. It's isn't about being "politically" correct. It's about not hurting people's feelings--today. Let's not. --- Further to the above comment... If you are quoting an historical document or specific text or name: Such as: "US Colored Troops," or "bastardy bonds" for example -- this is fine--use the terminology that is included in the record and don't try to change it. Where a problem could enter the picture is if you were to add any personal judgmental comments or make fun of or ridicule based upon the historical terminology. That would be where the line would be drawn in list messages. Remember that facts don't make judgments. Joan, admin PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan: My intention was to add a little joy to the list with my find.........Drunkard was in the title of the place many years ago. Since people cannot seem to share in the joy of a fellow researcher and have to pick things apart, then I am asking to be unsubscribed from the list. I have never seen such a grumpier group of people........... Barbara Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Terminology + phone calls vs letters. ADMIN > > In a message dated 3/20/2007 1:29:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > organizr01@aol.com writes: > > As others have pointed out, terms like "drunk," "bastard," "Negro" were > acceptable in the past, but are no longer acceptable. In fact, they are > hurtful. > It's isn't about being "politically" correct. It's about not hurting > people's feelings--today. Let's not. > > > > --- > Further to the above comment... > > If you are quoting an historical document or specific text or name: Such > as: > "US Colored Troops," or "bastardy bonds" for example -- this is fine--use > the terminology that is included in the record and don't try to change > it. > > Where a problem could enter the picture is if you were to add any > personal > judgmental comments or make fun of or ridicule based upon the historical > terminology. That would be where the line would be drawn in list > messages. > Remember that facts don't make judgments. > > Joan, admin > PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PLEASE UN-SUBSCRIBE I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!! -----Original Message----- From: markf@psknet.com To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Admin notice Barbara- -My Grand Father was in Keswick--He died there in 1910--I contacted them about three years ago and they were very uncooperative--Well honestly they just had no time for genealogical research--I offered to pay whatever they asked to send me any information on John Patterson Massey Jr.--- I have hit a brick wall mostly because the family was embarrassed by my Grand Father--They completely cut my Grand Mother and there Grand Children OFF---I have a had dickens of a time researching my line--At the time of my Grand Fathers commitment the word " DRUNKARD " was in there title--This PC nonsense is a feel good sham--And a waste of time-- NOW--If you know of any way you could put me in touch with someone that can help me I would really appreciate it--I think they are missing an huge revenue opportunity in not catering to genealogists-- Your bringing to light this obscure possibility for research is very valuable--I hope more members will send in there odd little encounters with off the wall treasure troves-- Mark F. Massey Fr. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

In a message dated 3/20/2007 1:29:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, organizr01@aol.com writes: As others have pointed out, terms like "drunk," "bastard," "Negro" were acceptable in the past, but are no longer acceptable. In fact, they are hurtful. It's isn't about being "politically" correct. It's about not hurting people's feelings--today. Let's not. --- Further to the above comment... If you are quoting an historical document or specific text or name: Such as: "US Colored Troops," or "bastardy bonds" for example -- this is fine--use the terminology that is included in the record and don't try to change it. Where a problem could enter the picture is if you were to add any personal judgmental comments or make fun of or ridicule based upon the historical terminology. That would be where the line would be drawn in list messages. Remember that facts don't make judgments. Joan, admin PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

As others have pointed out, terms like "drunk," "bastard," "Negro" were acceptable in the past, but are no longer acceptable. In fact, they are hurtful. It's isn't about being "politically" correct. It's about not hurting people's feelings--today. Let's not. That said, the point of the original post was that someone made a phone call. I have said many times on this list and others that phone calls are a lot faster, no more costly and far more persuasive than letters. I have established instant rapport with many secretaries and clerks and saved a fortune in fees that I didn't have to pay just because someone wanted to help me with my search. Because my policy has always been to call instead of write, I added unlimited long distant to my phone (actually my husband did) and it has paid for itself many times over. Merle -----Original Message----- From: markf@psknet.com To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Admin notice Barbara- -My Grand Father was in Keswick--He died there in 1910--I contacted them about three years ago and they were very uncooperative--Well honestly they just had no time for genealogical research--I offered to pay whatever they asked to send me any information on John Patterson Massey Jr.--- I have hit a brick wall mostly because the family was embarrassed by my Grand Father--They completely cut my Grand Mother and there Grand Children OFF---I have a had dickens of a time researching my line--At the time of my Grand Fathers commitment the word " DRUNKARD " was in there title--This PC nonsense is a feel good sham--And a waste of time-- NOW--If you know of any way you could put me in touch with someone that can help me I would really appreciate it--I think they are missing an huge revenue opportunity in not catering to genealogists-- Your bringing to light this obscure possibility for research is very valuable--I hope more members will send in there odd little encounters with off the wall treasure troves-- Mark F. Massey Fr. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Barbara- -My Grand Father was in Keswick--He died there in 1910--I contacted them about three years ago and they were very uncooperative--Well honestly they just had no time for genealogical research--I offered to pay whatever they asked to send me any information on John Patterson Massey Jr.--- I have hit a brick wall mostly because the family was embarrassed by my Grand Father--They completely cut my Grand Mother and there Grand Children OFF---I have a had dickens of a time researching my line--At the time of my Grand Fathers commitment the word " DRUNKARD " was in there title--This PC nonsense is a feel good sham--And a waste of time-- NOW--If you know of any way you could put me in touch with someone that can help me I would really appreciate it--I think they are missing an huge revenue opportunity in not catering to genealogists-- Your bringing to light this obscure possibility for research is very valuable--I hope more members will send in there odd little encounters with off the wall treasure troves-- Mark F. Massey Fr.

Then email me privately - I was NOT trying to 'inappropriate' anyone's feelings......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. J. Fenner" <rjfenner@comcast.net> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Giggle giggle > That was then...this is now. You said you "emailed the Colony of Mercy > (they > work with drunks)". To me, a very inappropriate reference. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Lynch" <onecrazychick@comcast.net> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Giggle giggle > > >> Way back when the title of the place included the word >> 'drunkards'...........today we use alcoholics..........the website for >> the >> place is www.americaskeswick.org if my memory at this time of night is >> correct..........but like I said early census records use the word >> 'drunkards'...... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R. J. Fenner" <rjfenner@comcast.net> >> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; <nj@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Giggle giggle >> >> >>> The Colony of Mercy does marvelous work with ALCOHOLICS. They have been >>> able >>> to rehabilitate many suffering from that very distressful illness. If >>> you >>> got there, Barbara, I suggest you refrain from referring to their >>> clients >>> as >>> "drunks". >>> Bob, >>> >>> Marlton, >>> NJ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barbara Lynch" <onecrazychick@comcast.net> >>> To: <nj@rootsweb.com> >>> Cc: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:56 PM >>> Subject: [Phly-Rts] Giggle giggle >>> >>> >>>> Well guys, I just have to tell everyone that I decided that I was going >>>> to >>>> go out on a limb and finally found a valid email for the Keswick Colony >>>> of >>>> Mercy in Manchester NJ in search of my elusive RAWS family.....I could >>>> not >>>> piece my Arthur William Raws with the rest of the RAWS family that my >>>> father knew was family. I emailed the Colony of Mercy (they work with >>>> drunks...) and asked them to please pass on a letter to the Pastor that >>>> is >>>> 'in charge'. Well, needless to say, he got the letter which was just >>>> sent >>>> over the weekend. He contacted his cousin who lives on the property >>>> along >>>> with a gazillion other Raws it seems.....Ruth, his cousin, contacted me >>>> today and was talking to my mother since I was just getting home from >>>> work >>>> (perfect timing I think). Well come to find out - they have traced the >>>> Raws family tree back to the 1700s (less work for me maybe??) and the >>>> reason I could not connect my Arthur to the rest of the RAWS was >>>> because >>>> the other family members/brothers we! >>>> re half-sies!! I go to meet them next Monday and let me tell you this >>>> much..........most of them all look alike!! Just wait until they see >>>> the >>>> copy of my grandmother's wedding picture and see her along with her >>>> father >>>> and brother. Then to take a look at the picture of my family from when >>>> my >>>> brother got married in 1986 and see how my youngest daughter (who >>>> happened >>>> to be placed smack in front of my grandmother) resembles a >>>> RAWS.........FREAKY to say the least!!!!!! >>>> >>>> Barbara Lynch >>>> >>>> >>>> ********* >>>> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >>>> ********* >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********* >>> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >>> ********* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan: If you look at the history of Keswick - it was originally had in its title "Drunkards" which is why I mentioned it. Granted the new politically correct term is alcoholics, but I know what I saw in its title......... I was not trying to offend anyone...... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Admin notice > Please let's keep comments about other posters' list messages OFF the > list. > If you feel something was inappropiate or needs attention please contact > me > privately at: PHILLY-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com . I'll take whatever > action is > deemed necessary. > > We may want to be historically accurate in our terminology but let's also > try to avoid any terms that could be considered offensive and > unnecessarily > critical of others. > > Thanks! > > Joan, admin > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message