Let's clarify. The indexes are City Hall and the Family History LIbrary, but the actual wills and administrations are at the City Archives. Is this correct? If so, and if one has already checked the indexes, can one just order the wills at the C.A.? Thanks. Merle -----Original Message----- From: LaniMacA@comcast.net To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court question Kay, Though the Will may have been misfiled, it is possible that it's actually missing. One time when I requested a Will I was informed that it had been missing since they last inventoried the Wills in the 1980s. It isn't always the fault of the Register of Wills department or their archives. When I was at HSP, back in the day when the research room was upstairs, a patron was given a file and was about to pocket a clipping he took from it -- he didn't understand why he couldn't take the actual clipping when it pertained to HIS ancestor! -- Lani ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Kay, Though the Will may have been misfiled, it is possible that it's actually missing. One time when I requested a Will I was informed that it had been missing since they last inventoried the Wills in the 1980s. It isn't always the fault of the Register of Wills department or their archives. When I was at HSP, back in the day when the research room was upstairs, a patron was given a file and was about to pocket a clipping he took from it -- he didn't understand why he couldn't take the actual clipping when it pertained to HIS ancestor! -- Lani

If anyone has access to a City Directory in the period 1860 to 1870, and could look up FOUQUET, Charles and let me know what the listing reads, I'd be very grateful. I think my ancestor lived with the Fouquet family and it will answer a question regarding how two people met and later married. Thanks so much for helping me, Kay in California _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline

The LDS have probate records up to 1924 on microfilm. You could always go that route. It might even be cheaper. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Davis" <kaydavis2@hotmail.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court question > Hi, > I hope somebody can help me. From a microfilm of original records > entitled > Wills (and probate records) I obtained the dates and file numbers for an > individual who died in 1889. With that information I wrote to the > Register > of Wills at the Phila. City Hall to obtain copies. Yesterday I received a > reply that stated there was no record for this person. > > Does anyone have a clue why there's a listing in the index but no file? > > Thanks in advance, > Kay in California. Researching HANLINE, STURGIS, TULLY, COWDEN in > Philadelphia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From my experience years ago, I found them to be sloppy in their handling of the files. There were stacks on a desk waiting to be re-filed. The man sitting at the desk did nothing but talk to his fellow employees and eat lunch. I found a document I was looking for in the wrong file but he didn't want to put it where it belonged. This was when the Archives were still in the Annex. In City Hall, the wills are also on microfilm which was the only way one could get to read them. Did you write to the Department of Wills or just the Orphan's Court? Pat Ingersoll ===================== From: Kay Davis <kaydavis2@hotmail.com> Date: 2007/04/01 Sun AM 10:08:00 CDT To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court question Hi, I hope somebody can help me. From a microfilm of original records entitled Wills (and probate records) I obtained the dates and file numbers for an individual who died in 1889. With that information I wrote to the Register of Wills at the Phila. City Hall to obtain copies. Yesterday I received a reply that stated there was no record for this person. Does anyone have a clue why there's a listing in the index but no file? Thanks in advance, Kay in California. Researching HANLINE, STURGIS, TULLY, COWDEN in Philadelphia _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps a lazy clerk? Write to the Archives. Perhaps someone over there will be awake. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: "Kay Davis" <kaydavis2@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court question >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:08:00 -0700 > >Hi, >I hope somebody can help me. From a microfilm of original records entitled >Wills (and probate records) I obtained the dates and file numbers for an >individual who died in 1889. With that information I wrote to the Register >of Wills at the Phila. City Hall to obtain copies. Yesterday I received a >reply that stated there was no record for this person. > >Does anyone have a clue why there's a listing in the index but no file? > >Thanks in advance, >Kay in California. Researching HANLINE, STURGIS, TULLY, COWDEN in >Philadelphia > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office >Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I hope somebody can help me. From a microfilm of original records entitled Wills (and probate records) I obtained the dates and file numbers for an individual who died in 1889. With that information I wrote to the Register of Wills at the Phila. City Hall to obtain copies. Yesterday I received a reply that stated there was no record for this person. Does anyone have a clue why there's a listing in the index but no file? Thanks in advance, Kay in California. Researching HANLINE, STURGIS, TULLY, COWDEN in Philadelphia _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/

Go to http://ajourneyintothepast.blogspot.com/2007/02/did-you-know-that.html Interesting cost and style of living information for late 19th, early 20 th century. There are other entries in the blog with other kinds of area-related information,and some great pictures, many of Laurel Hill. jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 03/29/2007 01:36 PM

Nancie, If you read this, please reply privately. I've sent you several emails which have gone unanswered and I don't know if you are getting them or not. Thanks, jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 03/29/2007 01:36 PM

Main St. is Germantown Ave. That address cannot be in Mt. Airy. The numbers have changed over the years but that address still has to be in Germantown. I don't recognize it as a hospital. I'll look for Dr. Thomas in the city directories. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: larzemail <larzemail@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: larzemail@yahoo.com, philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: Philly-roots <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [Phly-Rts] Hospital or residence? >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) > >I have copies of the registration pages for a birth in 1883, but I have >been unsuccessful in locating the doctors' return of birth. The name of >the physician is "F.W. Thomas" and the column titled residence of physician >reads "5339 Main St. Mt. Airy". At least it looks like Mt. Airy. Could >this be a hospital name? > > >--------------------------------- >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have copies of the registration pages for a birth in 1883, but I have been unsuccessful in locating the doctors' return of birth. The name of the physician is "F.W. Thomas" and the column titled residence of physician reads "5339 Main St. Mt. Airy". At least it looks like Mt. Airy. Could this be a hospital name? --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.

I hope this makes it through in its entirety. I may have to subdivide it. Part of a Report of an Enquiry into the Wreck of the 'Annie Verdin.' The 'Annie Verdin' was a foreign-built vessel – American – drawing thirteen feet of water, registered at the port of Philadelphia, official No. 105250, and owned by the following:--John W. Hall, ¼; Harlesan Heekman, ¼; H. Verdin, 1/8; H. Verdin, jun., 1/3; George Saulan, 1/8; S. S. G. H. Squire, 1/16; and James H. Hubbard, the master, 1/16. The ship was three years old, having been built in June 1873, and registered A 1 ¼ at the American Shipmasters' Association, New York. The master has a certificate of competency (No. 5687) from the same Association. The vessel carried a crew of eight, all told, including the master, and left the port of Philadelphia on the 9th of October last, with a cargo of coal, bound to Galveston, Texas. Soon after leaving the port the weather is described as becoming blustery, with occasional squalls, and continued so for some days. On the 18th the Abaco Lighthouse is passed, the weather being then fine. At about 10- P.M., however, of the night there was a change of weather, the wind blowing from the east-north-east, strong. Sail was shortened during the night, the vessel steering rather wild. A little while after, however, the weather improved and became again fine. >From the Abaco Light the course up to 5 P.M. was W. ½ N., and at 4 A.M. hauled up a half-point to clear the bank at Sturrup's Cay, the Cay bearing S. by E. A course was also shaped to clear the Great Isaac Cay. At 2 P.M. on the 19th the weather began to be threatening, the wind being at E.S.E., blowing a fresh gale, Gun Cay bearing north twelve miles. It was at this period that the captain decided on running for an anchorage, and making a harbour until the weather moderated. The vessel was consequently veered, and at 7 P.M. the ship was anchored in five fathoms of water, Great Isaac's Light bearing N. by E. ½ E. about four or five miles distant. A strong gale, but steady, was at this time blowing, wind at E. by S. Both anchors were let go, with sixty fathoms of chain on each anchor. At 11 P.M. the wind had increased to a hurricane, and the ship began to drag. The kedge anchor was now let go, which had the effect of bringing her up for about an hour. At 12.30 the starboard cable parted, as also the kedge hawser, and the ship dragged off the bank and out to sea. After dragging for an hour and a half she was laid to under a reefed spanker with her head southward. Between two and three o'clock the rudder head was discovered to be wrung off, and to such an extent that the vessel became unmanageable. No land was at this time in sight, nor could the Great Isaac Light be seen. At ll.30m, however, a three-masted schooner was discovered ashore, on what turned out afterwards to be Settlement Point, the western end of Grand Bahama. The Captain's endeavours were now directed to keep his vessel off if possible, and to effect this set reefed main-sail, fore-staysail, and main-jib, and after shipping the cables tried to fill away. The jib, however, was soon blown away; the ship became unmanageable, the rudder being of no service; and the vessel drifted in until she struck on Wood Cay Bar, near Settlement Point. The captain in his evidence states:-- 'When I saw there was no possibility of saving the ship, I cut the main and mizen halyards away, and let the sails run down on deck. Just before the ship struck I ordered the men in the rigging, as the best place for saving themselves. The ship rolled very heavily, the sea breaking completely over her. After being ashore for about seven hours the ship bilged and filled with water. 'We had one boat – a large yawl boat – quite large enough to have saved myself and crew.' It is much to be regretted that while the men were in the rigging two of them, against the express wish of the captain, left their then place of safety, got into the boat, then tied to the stern, cut her away, and rowed off, with the intention, no doubt, of making for the nearest land. Under these circumstances this was a most dangerous proceeding. After a while the boat was out of sight, and fears are now entertained as to their safety. . . . At 7 A.M. Captain Hannah boarded the wreck in his boat, he having seen her from the shore, and was some time after followed by his vessel. The sails, rigging, and stores were saved by the crew of this vessel. The captain and crew speak highly of the assistance rendered them by Captain Hannah and his crew, as well as of their good behaviour. On the 22nd the captain and his crew left the wreck in the Bahamain schooner 'Matchless,' and arrived at this port on the 24th instant. Vince Summers

11-11-1896 Phila Inquirer Despondency and suicide Captain James H. Hubbard Ends his life by a rope James H. Hubbard 52 years old of 3220 N Fifteenth St commited suicide yesterday by hanging himself to a joist in the cellar of his house. Hubbard had been left alone apparently in good spirits at 11 o'clock by his wife and daughter who went to call on a sick friend. When they returned three hours later finding him missing it was thought he had gone to the cellar to smoke but investigation had showed he had ended his life Hubbard was formerly a prosperous sea captain but lost a vessel at sea in February 1894 since which time he had been despondent over business reverses. On Monday evening he was said to have remarked that the only thing for him to do was to drown or hang himself. He had evidently been contemplating the deed and when alone procured a piece of sash from a new dwelling nearby. Nov 13, 1896 Phil Inquirer Hubbard Suddenly on November 10th 1896 Captain James H. Hubbard in his 54th year The relatives and friends also Hamson Lodge 309 (look like) F. A. M., Reliance Lodge No. 149, A. O. U. W.and Pennsylvania Assembly No. 3 A. O. M. P. are respectively invited to attend the funeral services on Friday afternoon at 1 o'clock at his late residence 3220 North fifteenth street Interment private. I believe this fellow might well have been the husband of Mary Depuy, daughter of John Steward Sr DEPUY. Vince Summers

Thank you Liane and everyone else who answered my question. Kathy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Paraphrased from John Colletta's 'They Came in Ships'- The 1882 law required that immigrants not become public charges; in 1893 the form changed and column 14 asked if they had more than $30, or if less, how much. (Your fellow came in just before that.) The minimum acceptable amount was $20 and they were not to be admitted if they had less. So although there was nothing in writing on the lists until 1893, the question was asked and your relative apparently didn't have the $20 needed and thus ran into trouble. The captain was trying to help out. Colletta said it was widely known in Europe that $20 was needed and very often that is all people declared, altho they had more sewn into their coat linings, etc. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathysean@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Immigrant being detained > Liane > > I checked the passenger list for him in 1891 and besides the name, sex and > country he was born, it only had what section of the ship he paid for. It > also listed his occupation and his destination which he said he was going > to > Boston, but got off in Philadelphia. There wasn't anything else written > down. > > Kathy > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liane I checked the passenger list for him in 1891 and besides the name, sex and country he was born, it only had what section of the ship he paid for. It also listed his occupation and his destination which he said he was going to Boston, but got off in Philadelphia. There wasn't anything else written down. Kathy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

In 1910 the question was asked whether you were in possession of $50, or if less, how much. Most on the ships I checked had much less, say, $5-10. What did it say in that column for your great-grandfather and is there an entry for him at the end of the passenger list? There very often is if there was a problem. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: <organizr01@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Immigrant being detained > One reason is that people were not allowed into the country who were > destitute, i.e. had no money. That's why ships' logs so often list people > carrying $1. > Merle > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathysean@aol.com > To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 3:47 PM > Subject: [Phly-Rts] Immigrant being detained > > > Can someone please explained this reason why a immigrant was being > detained > when the ship came into Philadelphia? > > My great-grandfather was suppose to go to Boston. The ship docked at the > Philadelphia port. He decided to get off in Philadelphia instead. But > the > Immigrant Inspector detained him and another fellow who were both 19 or 20 > for the following reason > > Detained as "being persons likely to become a public charge". > > Needless to say, the Captain let them escape and the Captain was charged > and > held for violating the Unite States Immigrant laws at the time. He later > had to pay a fine. > > Be kind to be now, lol > > > Kathy > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One reason is that people were not allowed into the country who were destitute, i.e. had no money. That's why ships' logs so often list people carrying $1. Merle -----Original Message----- From: Kathysean@aol.com To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 3:47 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Immigrant being detained Can someone please explained this reason why a immigrant was being detained when the ship came into Philadelphia? My great-grandfather was suppose to go to Boston. The ship docked at the Philadelphia port. He decided to get off in Philadelphia instead. But the Immigrant Inspector detained him and another fellow who were both 19 or 20 for the following reason Detained as "being persons likely to become a public charge". Needless to say, the Captain let them escape and the Captain was charged and held for violating the Unite States Immigrant laws at the time. He later had to pay a fine. Be kind to be now, lol Kathy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Can someone look for a funeral/obit/death notice in the Philadelphia papers for John T BARNES who was buried 5/31/1901 at Mount Peace. His wife was a Catharine GARLAND. Their son Thornton A BARNES born 5/1896 died 4/1/1913 in Jessup MD and his funeral was arranged by his mother with Bair Funeral Home of Phila. So am hoping maybe a notice about him in the papers too? (Does anyone know which county Jessup MD is in? There are two in two diff counties with Jessup in MD...... He was residing at 6042 Locust St with his mother then in 1913) So far per 1900 Census: 1900 Census, Philadelphia Ward 15, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; residence 1909 Vine St John T Barnes 42 Oct 1857, PA PA PA merchant tea and coffee (died 5/?/1901) buried at Mount Peace. Catharine Barnes 38 Jul 1861, PA MD MD, m 6 children 6 living Mortimore Barnes 16 2/1884 PA PA PA Marion Barnes 12 dau 6/1888 FL PA PA Leonard Barnes 10 3/1890 PA PA PA Estella Barnes 8 5/1892 PA PA PA Catharine Barnes 6 Jul 1893 PA PA PA Thornton Barnes 4 5/1896 PA PA PA (died 4/1/1913 in Jessup MD) John W Hill 23 10/1876, servant, VA VA VA Agnes Brooks 30 5/1870 single servant DC VA VA housekeeper Thanks Diana in AL