Hi all, I'm curious why a widow (who had not remarried) would not be burried by her family with her previously deceased husband. A week or so ago I had been sent the death notice for one of the people I've been researching, Dorothy Schmalzried, who died in 1935, 13 years after her husband Jacob; the notice indicates that Dorothy was to be interred at the Lawnview cemetery in Philadelphia. Today, I just received a death notice for her husband Jacob Schmalzried. In the notice, it indicates he would be interred at the Mount Vernon cemetery in Philadelphia. It lists his wife as Dorothy Schmalzried, etc, etc. The info all matches, such that these death notices are indeed of the husband and wife I'm researching. So, what struck me odd was that the husband , Jacob, was interred, not at the Lawnview cemetery, but at Mount Vernon. This was totally unexpected. I just assumed that if I contacted the Lawnview cemetery last week, they would have told me Jacob was buried next to Dorothy. I guess it doesn't matter why. It just took me totally be surprise. Rich --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Yes, Jo, the charge is $8/pg. She told me it was $8/pg and then said the file contained three pages and I'd need to send a check for $24.00. I mentioned I'd already spent $15.00 in an attempt to obtain the records through the Register of Wills but was told the prior fee was not applicable. The woman's name is Diane. Kay ----Original Message Follows---- From: "J SCHWARTZ" <phillysleuth@verizon.net> Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court info Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:15:15 -0400 Kay, are you absolutely sure the charges are $8 a page? I would really recheck that figure. They NEVER have been that expensive in all the time I've been dealing with them. It was more like $2-$3 a page. jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Davis" <kaydavis2@hotmail.com> To: <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Orphans Court info > As a follow-up to my earlier query regarding Orphans Court records, I > contacted them via snail mail with docket/file number, name, date, etc. > Someone from their office called just a few days later to tell me the > records have been retrieved and when my check is received the file will be > sent to me. Here's the heads'-up: the charge is $8.00/page for > photocopying. I was given no information on the contents of the file (I > asked) so just blindly send in the money and keep your fingers crossed the > informatiion will have some value. Thanks to all who offered help and good > luck. > Kay in California > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapr il07 > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 04/10/2007 10:44 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 04/10/2007 10:44 PM ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581

Thanks Merle; the Wm Crout - Rebecca ? marriage may be left unfound unless I learn her maiden name and can search by it (I've been waiting for a month now for her death cert to arrive which should help with this). New info: I've located Ida in 1870 with her mother: 18th Ward, Phila: KRICKEBAUM, Elizabeth, 51, Ret Liquor Dealer, 14,000/700, b. Saxony , Ida, 24, at home, b. PA , Emma, 21, at home, b. PA , Lena, 17, at home, b. PA , Mary, 15, b. PA Living w/them: Henry Haas (41, b. Saxony), Adolph Haas (17, b. PA), John Krause (34, b. PA), John Defrene (40, b. France), and Phoebe Ba[den] Baker (b. Feb in PA). In 1880, I don't find Ida, but her mother (E. Krickebuam, 63), sisters Emma (30, single) and Lena (26, divorced), and Elizabeth's granddaughter Elizabeth Smith (8) are still in Phila. I wonder--could Wm & Ida have divorced between 1860 & 1870? organizr01@aol.com wrote: Thus, the wedding could have been religious and not reported, after the child was born, in another county, or may not have happened at all. >shortened< -----Original Message----- From: larzemail@yahoo.com Today I located a marriage for Wm B CROUT at PCA: Wm B CROUT, age 27 (could be 29), born in Phila, married Ida KRECKEBAUM, age 21, born in Phila. ... The 1860 census shows Wm residing w/the Kreckerbaum's, including Ida. The 1870 census shows Wm living with his brother John J CROUT and no wife/no Ida. >shortened< --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

I am looking for the email address of my Cousin Jimmy Gaw , I had a crash and lost his address . And I have a new address and I want him to have it, he is on this list and I have info for him about the family. if anyone knows him please write to him and gtve him my address,it is <WR@Clifton.com> or <Jwcrose@bellsouth.net> Thank you Cousin Jack Clifton in sunny Florida

Hi, Thanks for the insightful suggestion. My situation is a little different and compounded in that I don't know the descendants of the people I'm looking for. They are actually a different branch of my family (so are very distant relatives). Therefore, I have to do a top-down search (starting with the ancestors and work my way to the descendants). It certainly is difficult when I know very little about the family. If I want to know something, I have to discover it. Oh yeah, I have already searched the SSI, and these people were not listed. I'm surprised Otto (or Mary) were not listed, which makes me think they may not have lived to old age. As for burial info and cemeteries, I actually called just about every (non-denomination) cemetery in the Philadelphia and haven't found their burial info (although some charge to give out the info, so I didn't get answers from them all). The good news is that this past week, I did find the death notice for Dorothy, which stated she was buried at the Lawnview cemetery. It also stated her membership in the OES. So, I thought I would pursue both the cemetery to see if Otto and Mary are also buried there, as well as pursue OES records. Hence my email requesting info about the OES. Since some resources take months to get replies or to find useful info, I decided to search them in parallel. Thanks for the suggestion, Rich larzemail <larzemail@yahoo.com> wrote: Rich, I know nothing about the OES, but I have been successful in learning death dates for those family members who died between the 1930 census and the mid-1970s when there are more listed in the Social Security Death Index. To do so, I've used the most recent generation (my grandparents are living, so in my case, my g-grandparents) and located the cemetery. I also have information from the late 1800s/early 1900s for deaths of the siblings of those that fall into that harder-to-research category. Going this route, I've discovered the burial places along w/date of death or burial for an entire generation in each of several lines. If you haven't traced siblings, I'd highly recommend it. I know you are interested in the OES records, but I can almost sense your struggle with this timeframe and know it's tough. ColumbusGuy wrote: I appreciate the response Gene. However, my questions below were in regard to the O.E.S. As for your suggestion to contact he PA Vitals Records office, getting death certificates from that office isn't as simple as just giving then a name, spouse's name and parents names. They require a death date (which I don't have for Mary and Otto), as I discovered in researching other relatives. Or they will research segments of time for a significant fee. Since Mary and Otto could have died over a 40+ year span, that research for 2 people could get expensive. For Mary and Otto, I have no idea when they died, so I'm trying to get some clues from church records (maybe the Old Zion Luthern Church in Philadelphia), obits or any other organizations that may have belonged to. So far, efforts to find obits for Mary and Otto have failed. I'm still trying to confirm the church they may have attended, for another good source of info. Since I'm grasping at straws to find a lead on this couple, and as indicated in my previous email, I'm also looking at this O.E.S that Otto's parents belonged to. Hence my questions in my previous emal. Hopefully someone on this list may have had some experience with O.E.S. records, and maybe provide some insight. I have nothing to lose by asking. Regards, Rich Eugene Stackhouse wrote: PA death records are at the PA Dept of Vital Records in Newcastle, PA. There is a Web page with directions for obtaining death certificates. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: ColumbusGuy >Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Phly-Rts] records from the Excelsior chapter of the Order of >theEastern Star >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the >difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this >list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks >like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone >will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on >the.PAPHILAD list. > > So, here is my topic. I am researching relatives, Dorothea & Jacob >Schmalzried, and their son and his wife, Otto and Mary Schmalzried. Jacob >and Dorothea were members of the Excelsior chapter of the ORDER OF THE >EASTERN STAR, in Philadelphia, PA. Jacob died between 1920 - 1930. >Dorthea died Feb. 17, 1935, in Philadelphia. > > My first question is, since I know little about the O.E.S., is it >typical of sons of O.E.S. members to also belong to the O.E.S.? > > My second question is, since this Excelsior chapter appears to have >closed, would deceased's records, such as death information, be available >anywhere? > > Any help or suggestions would certainly appreciated, > Rich > Columbus, Ohio > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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Rich, I know nothing about the OES, but I have been successful in learning death dates for those family members who died between the 1930 census and the mid-1970s when there are more listed in the Social Security Death Index. To do so, I've used the most recent generation (my grandparents are living, so in my case, my g-grandparents) and located the cemetery. I also have information from the late 1800s/early 1900s for deaths of the siblings of those that fall into that harder-to-research category. Going this route, I've discovered the burial places along w/date of death or burial for an entire generation in each of several lines. If you haven't traced siblings, I'd highly recommend it. I know you are interested in the OES records, but I can almost sense your struggle with this timeframe and know it's tough. ColumbusGuy <plugnplaycmh@yahoo.com> wrote: I appreciate the response Gene. However, my questions below were in regard to the O.E.S. As for your suggestion to contact he PA Vitals Records office, getting death certificates from that office isn't as simple as just giving then a name, spouse's name and parents names. They require a death date (which I don't have for Mary and Otto), as I discovered in researching other relatives. Or they will research segments of time for a significant fee. Since Mary and Otto could have died over a 40+ year span, that research for 2 people could get expensive. For Mary and Otto, I have no idea when they died, so I'm trying to get some clues from church records (maybe the Old Zion Luthern Church in Philadelphia), obits or any other organizations that may have belonged to. So far, efforts to find obits for Mary and Otto have failed. I'm still trying to confirm the church they may have attended, for another good source of info. Since I'm grasping at straws to find a lead on this couple, and as indicated in my previous email, I'm also looking at this O.E.S that Otto's parents belonged to. Hence my questions in my previous emal. Hopefully someone on this list may have had some experience with O.E.S. records, and maybe provide some insight. I have nothing to lose by asking. Regards, Rich Eugene Stackhouse wrote: PA death records are at the PA Dept of Vital Records in Newcastle, PA. There is a Web page with directions for obtaining death certificates. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: ColumbusGuy >Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Phly-Rts] records from the Excelsior chapter of the Order of >theEastern Star >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the >difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this >list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks >like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone >will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on >the.PAPHILAD list. > > So, here is my topic. I am researching relatives, Dorothea & Jacob >Schmalzried, and their son and his wife, Otto and Mary Schmalzried. Jacob >and Dorothea were members of the Excelsior chapter of the ORDER OF THE >EASTERN STAR, in Philadelphia, PA. Jacob died between 1920 - 1930. >Dorthea died Feb. 17, 1935, in Philadelphia. > > My first question is, since I know little about the O.E.S., is it >typical of sons of O.E.S. members to also belong to the O.E.S.? > > My second question is, since this Excelsior chapter appears to have >closed, would deceased's records, such as death information, be available >anywhere? > > Any help or suggestions would certainly appreciated, > Rich > Columbus, Ohio > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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plugnplaycmh@yahoo.com wrote: >>However, my questions below were in regard to the O.E.S.  As for your suggestion to contact he PA Vitals Records office, getting death certificates from that office isn't as simple as just giving then a name, spouse's name and parents names.  They require a death date (which I don't have for Mary and Otto), as I discovered in researching other relatives<< Rich ~ I tried googling "order of the eastern star" + pennsylvania, and came up with a web page where you might be able to contact the main chapter and see if they can give you any information....hope it helps! >> http://www.paeasternstar.org/<< Dianne ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

As a follow-up to my earlier query regarding Orphans Court records, I contacted them via snail mail with docket/file number, name, date, etc. Someone from their office called just a few days later to tell me the records have been retrieved and when my check is received the file will be sent to me. Here's the heads'-up: the charge is $8.00/page for photocopying. I was given no information on the contents of the file (I asked) so just blindly send in the money and keep your fingers crossed the informatiion will have some value. Thanks to all who offered help and good luck. Kay in California _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07

Thanks Dianne, Appreciate your efforts. I actually found that site too. Is where I saw the local chapter had closed. If no one on this list has had any experience with local OES records, calling the PA Grand Chapter office seems the next logical step. Thanks again for the reply, Rich Dashmom@aol.com wrote: plugnplaycmh@yahoo.com wrote: >>However, my questions below were in regard to the O.E.S. As for your suggestion to contact he PA Vitals Records office, getting death certificates from that office isn't as simple as just giving then a name, spouse's name and parents names. They require a death date (which I don't have for Mary and Otto), as I discovered in researching other relatives<< Rich ~ I tried googling "order of the eastern star" + pennsylvania, and came up with a web page where you might be able to contact the main chapter and see if they can give you any information....hope it helps! >> http://www.paeasternstar.org/<< Dianne ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Hello Vince. Please contact me off list. John

In a message dated 4/13/2007 11:05:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, plugnplaycmh@yahoo.com writes: Hi, I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on the.PAPHILAD list. ---- Hi, Rich - The reason for the two Philly lists is purely historical. There is no difference currently in the focus of discussion on the two lists. Both cover Philadelphia City/County which as you have already been told are synonymous. As for current subscribership--PAPHILAD currently has 437 subscribers and PHILLY-ROOTS has 444 -- so the two lists are virtually equal in the number of subscribers. As for the number of posts over the current year, PHILLY-ROOTS has had about twice as many posts thus far this year (1155 vs. 454 for PAPHILAD). Some posts are duplicated on both lists and many of the subscribers/posters belong to both lists. Both lists are publicly archived and both have helpful volunteers who are able to answer many questions asked on the lists--so, take your pick, or post to both. Joan, admin PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

PA death records are at the PA Dept of Vital Records in Newcastle, PA. There is a Web page with directions for obtaining death certificates. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: ColumbusGuy <plugnplaycmh@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Phly-Rts] records from the Excelsior chapter of the Order of >theEastern Star >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the >difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this >list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks >like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone >will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on >the.PAPHILAD list. > > So, here is my topic. I am researching relatives, Dorothea & Jacob >Schmalzried, and their son and his wife, Otto and Mary Schmalzried. Jacob >and Dorothea were members of the Excelsior chapter of the ORDER OF THE >EASTERN STAR, in Philadelphia, PA. Jacob died between 1920 - 1930. >Dorthea died Feb. 17, 1935, in Philadelphia. > > My first question is, since I know little about the O.E.S., is it >typical of sons of O.E.S. members to also belong to the O.E.S.? > > My second question is, since this Excelsior chapter appears to have >closed, would deceased's records, such as death information, be available >anywhere? > > Any help or suggestions would certainly appreciated, > Rich > Columbus, Ohio > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The city and county of Philadelphia were consolidated in 1854. There is no real difference between the two. Many Philadelphians are not aware of the existence of the county. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright

Plaque on the Upper Burial Ground: In Memory of Soldiers of the War of 1812 Who lie in Upper Germantown Burying Ground, Philadelphia Placed by Stubbin Decatur Chapter of U. S. Daughters of 1812 1946 William Crout George Knorr Jacob K. Knorr Lewis Lehman John Nell John Poulson Frederick Sheetz Edward Snyder Michael Snyder George Streeper Jeremiah Trout Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright

Revolutionary Soldiers buried in the Germantown Upper Burial Ground (Axe's Cemetery) A plaque posted at the cemetery by the DAR, 1946, to the right of the entrance gate Col. Jacob Engle Lt. Col. Henry Irwin Capt. Jacob Henry Turner 1st Lt. Thomas Lucas Frederick Axe John Ax Daniel Bowman Peter Care Wm. Calladay Tomas Cox Jacob Crout John Crout Henry Dewees William Dewees Michael Dicker Christian Duy Jacob Duy Archibald Engel Charles Engle Jacob Engle Jesse Engle Paul Engle Charles Francis John Francis Casper Hinkle Thomas Jones John Kerback Abraham Kerper Peter Keyser John Knorr David Knorr George Knorr Jacob Knorr Mathais Knorr Henry Moyer Jacob Moyer Christopher Ottinger John Ottinger William Ottinger Zachariah Poulson Richard Raab Jacob Robb Frederick Shriver Peter Snyder Wm. STreeper Peter Stroup John Tibbin Jacob Unrod Phillip Weaver Peter Wert Christopher Witt Ulrich Zollinger Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright

I appreciate the response Gene. However, my questions below were in regard to the O.E.S. As for your suggestion to contact he PA Vitals Records office, getting death certificates from that office isn't as simple as just giving then a name, spouse's name and parents names. They require a death date (which I don't have for Mary and Otto), as I discovered in researching other relatives. Or they will research segments of time for a significant fee. Since Mary and Otto could have died over a 40+ year span, that research for 2 people could get expensive. For Mary and Otto, I have no idea when they died, so I'm trying to get some clues from church records (maybe the Old Zion Luthern Church in Philadelphia), obits or any other organizations that may have belonged to. So far, efforts to find obits for Mary and Otto have failed. I'm still trying to confirm the church they may have attended, for another good source of info. Since I'm grasping at straws to find a lead on this couple, and as indicated in my previous email, I'm also looking at this O.E.S that Otto's parents belonged to. Hence my questions in my previous emal. Hopefully someone on this list may have had some experience with O.E.S. records, and maybe provide some insight. I have nothing to lose by asking. Regards, Rich Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: PA death records are at the PA Dept of Vital Records in Newcastle, PA. There is a Web page with directions for obtaining death certificates. Gene Stackhouse "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."Stephen Wright >From: ColumbusGuy >Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com >To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Phly-Rts] records from the Excelsior chapter of the Order of >theEastern Star >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the >difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this >list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks >like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone >will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on >the.PAPHILAD list. > > So, here is my topic. I am researching relatives, Dorothea & Jacob >Schmalzried, and their son and his wife, Otto and Mary Schmalzried. Jacob >and Dorothea were members of the Excelsior chapter of the ORDER OF THE >EASTERN STAR, in Philadelphia, PA. Jacob died between 1920 - 1930. >Dorthea died Feb. 17, 1935, in Philadelphia. > > My first question is, since I know little about the O.E.S., is it >typical of sons of O.E.S. members to also belong to the O.E.S.? > > My second question is, since this Excelsior chapter appears to have >closed, would deceased's records, such as death information, be available >anywhere? > > Any help or suggestions would certainly appreciated, > Rich > Columbus, Ohio > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Though required by law, many clerics did not report marriages even into the 20th century. I found several women in my extended family who were either pregnant when they married or had at least one child before marrying. Thus, the wedding could have been religious and not reported, after the child was born, in another county, or may not have happened at all. Good luck in your search. Merle -----Original Message----- From: larzemail@yahoo.com To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Crout - Krecke(r)baum puzzle Today I located a marriage for Wm B CROUT at PCA, though I thought it was too early to be him since I was looking for a marriage to Rebecca who'd still be a child. Here's what I've got, and I do believe it is the Wm I seek: Wm B CROUT, age 27 (could be 29), born in Phila, married Ida KRECKEBAUM, age 21, born in Phila. Married in a Methodist church on Richmond St. He was a conductor living on Richmond St; she was living on Richmond St. The 1860 census shows Wm residing w/the Kreckerbaum's, including Ida. The 1870 census shows Wm living with his brother John J CROUT and no wife/no Ida. What happened to this marriage? To Ida? Wm B has a child with Rebecca in 1872, so I was hoping to find a marriage between 1870 & 1872 but so far no luck with that. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi, I'm new to this particular mailing list. I'm not totally sure the difference between this list and the PAPHILAD list, but it looks like this list (PHILLY-ROOTS) has a focus on the city of Philadelphia, where it looks like PAPHILAD has a focus on the county. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will gently correct me, and guide me when to post here and when to post on the.PAPHILAD list. So, here is my topic. I am researching relatives, Dorothea & Jacob Schmalzried, and their son and his wife, Otto and Mary Schmalzried. Jacob and Dorothea were members of the Excelsior chapter of the ORDER OF THE EASTERN STAR, in Philadelphia, PA. Jacob died between 1920 - 1930. Dorthea died Feb. 17, 1935, in Philadelphia. My first question is, since I know little about the O.E.S., is it typical of sons of O.E.S. members to also belong to the O.E.S.? My second question is, since this Excelsior chapter appears to have closed, would deceased's records, such as death information, be available anywhere? Any help or suggestions would certainly appreciated, Rich Columbus, Ohio --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Today I located a marriage for Wm B CROUT at PCA, though I thought it was too early to be him since I was looking for a marriage to Rebecca who'd still be a child. Here's what I've got, and I do believe it is the Wm I seek: Wm B CROUT, age 27 (could be 29), born in Phila, married Ida KRECKEBAUM, age 21, born in Phila. Married in a Methodist church on Richmond St. He was a conductor living on Richmond St; she was living on Richmond St. The 1860 census shows Wm residing w/the Kreckerbaum's, including Ida. The 1870 census shows Wm living with his brother John J CROUT and no wife/no Ida. What happened to this marriage? To Ida? Wm B has a child with Rebecca in 1872, so I was hoping to find a marriage between 1870 & 1872 but so far no luck with that. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

It looks like Frances G Wise age 52 born PA Brakeman Railroad and wife Henrietta E age 55 born PA Last name could be Wire also Hope this helps Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Hamilton" <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] 1920 census > To my request for 1511 N 54th st, Ward and ED. > I found the house in 1920, Ward 44 ED 1665 ancestry image 5. > > Thank you, Jane > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message