>From the book: Building Little Italy: Philadelphia's Italians Before Mass Migration by Richard N. Juliani... "Three months later Ceronio engaged Jasper Moylan to represent him in Philadelphia in a more personal matter - the disputed estate of William Hicks. Hicks, who had died about twelve months earlier, was the father of Ceronio's wife, Catherine Hicks. Moylan provided John Dickinson, president of the Supreme Executive Council of Pennsylvania, with various documents as evidence - " to finish this business," in the attorney's words. The documents included a note from the Reverend Mathias Hultgreen, rector of the Swedish churches in Pennsylvania, certifying that he had performed the marriage of Stephen Ceronio and Catherine Hicks on May 12, 1784. Two months afterward, Moylan reported that Dickinson had awarded a bond of 75 ounces in gold to Ceronio as the husband of Catherine, as well as a legacy of 300 pounds, left by William Hicks to her, with the accumulated interest of twelve years. Catherine's brothers appear to have been excluded from the award. William, the youngest and his father's namesake, had been apprenticed at the age of fourteen by indenture in 1781 to John Dunlap and David C. Claypoole, the well-known printers. After suffering the death of his father, and indentured and omitted from the will, this misfortune-plagued youth appears to have died in 1784, leaving Ceronio as the principal beneficiary of the Hicks family estate. Subsequent events continued to cloud Ceronio's personal life. In 1794, in a ceremony at Gloria Dei, the old Swedish church, Catherine Ceronio, identified as a daughter of the late William Hicks, married Jacques Servel, a physician aboard a French frigate docked at Philadelphia. What had become of Ceronio by then, as well as of his marriage to Catherine, is unclear. The angry rival's early characterization of Ceronio's motives as "rascally reasons," and of the person himself as a "rogue," invites speculation about these final years. Presumably a Roman Catholic when he first arrived from Italy, Ceronio had married Catherine Hicks in a Swedish Lutheran ceremony and gained a handsome inheritance through his bride. Yet her brother became indentured only shortly before his own death at a young age. When Ceronio's name later appeared as a donor for the expansion of the chapel and the building of a rectory at Old St. Joseph's he had resurfaced as a charitable supporter of the Catholic Church. Although Ceronio may well have been, as one writer has claimed, "a secret agent in the employment of the American revolutionaries," the exact nature of his service in the West Indies, as well as other details of his life, remains unclear. The early idealism, first suggested by his father's letters to Franklin, however, may have been replaced by more materialistic ambitions in later years." Vince Summers

1885 City Directory Roman Catholic St. Charles Borromeo 20th c Christian Rev. Nicholas J. Walsh, rector; Rev. John T. Crowley, Rev. Francis Dougherty, Rev. James C. Wynne, aast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larzemail" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: "Philly-roots" <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Need some guidance w/minister's returns please. > Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - > FINNEGAN 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When > following up by looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. > While I was there, no one available could help me with this, so I'm asking > you all :) In the column providing the name of the person officiating is > "St. Charles Borromeo". I looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through > most if not all of the Roman Catholic returns in 1885 without success. > Where should I be looking please? This is a new record to me - thanks in > advance for help! > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for any information re: Forrest Garfield Pearson b. 8/01/1914 in Phila, d.3/26/1990 in Arizona. married (last name) Morton. Thanks Bette Munday e-mail PMunday@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I'm more inclined to think that it was a matter of dollar and cents and not any prejudices by the newspaper. While prejudices existed, money is money. Those first generation Irish immigrants, particularly famine era ones, didn't have the money to put an obit in, as word of mouth, the church, etc, would have been good enough to reach anyone who might be interested in the funeral and burial. In the 18th Century Benjamin Franklin ran advertisments in his newspaper that offered monies for Indian scalps. While Franklin probably thought this horrible, it was simply a matter of money, you didn't pick and chose what advertisers you wanted to carry... Ken Milano -- www.kennethwmilano.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Susan Regan" <susanregan@comcast.net> > This is just an observation....but MOST of my Irish Catholic relatives can't be > found in the Philadelphia Inquirer in the 1800s although some where. I have > found those that were not in the Inquirer in the Philadelphia Ledger. But just > recently the Philadelphia Catholic Standard and Times has been running articles > on the Catholic Church in the 1800s since it is its 200th anniversary as a > diocese. Some articles focus on the Irish Catholics and the Inquirer seems to > have had a prejudice view of those immigrants during that time especially the > burning of the churches etc. That is probably why they didn't patronize that > paper. Just a thought. > > Susan > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

June 16, 2007 Ridgewood NJ - Irish Genealogy Seminar in New Jersey. The Bergen County Genealogy Society will be hosting an all-day seminar on Saturday, June 16, called "Searching Irish and Scots-Irish Roots" in Ridgewood, New Jersey. This event will feature Fintan Mullan and Dr. Brian Trainor from the Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast, Northern Ireland. The Ulster Historical Foundation is one of the principal genealogical research agencies in Ireland and a leading publisher of quality historical, educational and genealogical books. Unique Irish books will be available for purchase. Their presentation relates to research in all of Ireland, not just Ulster. Beginners are welcome. Held at Old Paramus Reformed Church, Ridgewood, NJ from 9:00 -3:30pm. http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsbc/IrishConf.html. E-mail: irishseminargsbc@yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

In a message dated 5/1/2007 1:32:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, phillysleuth@verizon.net writes: How would finding the location of a lot for a 19th century burial open the door to identify theft now? Anyone know more about this? Reply privately if Joan feels this is off topic. jo Jo- I don't feel it is off-topic as long as the discussion focuses on facts and doesn't get out of hand. If true, this is misguided in that it is publication of information about deceased individuals that helps to PREVENT identity theft. This is the major reason that the Social Security Administration sells the Death Master File for publication on many websites as the SSDI. Banks and lending institutions USE the Internet information on deceased individuals such as the SSDI, Obit listings, Cemetery info to ascertain that an individual is, indeed, deceased should somone turn up claiming to be this person. Quite often policies and precedures put into place to accomplish a goal go too far and are not well thought out. Joan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

That's the name of the church. In an 1886 almanac it is listed as beling located at 12th and Christian Streets. The priests were: Rev. Nicholas J. Walsh, Rector: His assistants were Rev. James C. Wynne: Rev. Francis P. Dougherty: Rev. P. J. Mellon. Larry B. ----Original Message Follows---- Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - FINNEGAN 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When following up by looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. While I was there, no one available could help me with this, so I'm asking you all :) In the column providing the name of the person officiating is "St. Charles Borromeo". I looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through most if not all of the Roman Catholic returns in 1885 without success. Where should I be looking please? This is a new record to me - thanks in advance for help! _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE

Has anyone else heard that the Archdiocese of Phila sent an "edict" to member churchs/cemeteries that no information on burials (apparently none at all, even location of lots) could be given to anyone other than direct kin who had the deeds to the lots. This was done in the name of protection from identity theft. I'm getting this info from a church staff member,the church having an old surrounding cemetery, but I haven't seen the official letter, so details may be off. If it's true, it would greatly impact researchers. How many of us have deeds to our ancestors lots? How would finding the location of a lot for a 19th century burial open the door to identify theft now? Anyone know more about this? Reply privately if Joan feels this is off topic. jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 04/29/2007 06:30 AM

Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - FINNEGAN 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When following up by looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. While I was there, no one available could help me with this, so I'm asking you all :) In the column providing the name of the person officiating is "St. Charles Borromeo". I looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through most if not all of the Roman Catholic returns in 1885 without success. Where should I be looking please? This is a new record to me - thanks in advance for help! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

In doing my Philly research, I've noticed that the Catholic cemeteries are making changes, fairly recent ones at that. There was a notice posted in one cemetery office that indicated that only 2 names would be looked up per visit and that all genealogy requests were to be directed to the Catholic Cemeteries Office. That notice was recently replaced with another that stated simply that all genealogical requests were to be directed to the CCO with a fee; I didn't see a limit but only 2 names will be looked up and I wonder if eventually that 2-name lookup will stop too (and I hope it doesn't!). The reason given for this fee-based request is that the volume of requests is so heavy. I am hoping that further restrictions will not go into place, and that perhaps this (the deed holder info only) was a mistake? Without cemetery info, research will become exceedingly difficult. J SCHWARTZ <phillysleuth@verizon.net> wrote: Has anyone else heard that the Archdiocese of Phila sent an "edict" to member churchs/cemeteries that no information on burials (apparently none at all, even location of lots) could be given to anyone other than direct kin who had the deeds to the lots. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

This is just an observation....but MOST of my Irish Catholic relatives can't be found in the Philadelphia Inquirer in the 1800s although some where. I have found those that were not in the Inquirer in the Philadelphia Ledger. But just recently the Philadelphia Catholic Standard and Times has been running articles on the Catholic Church in the 1800s since it is its 200th anniversary as a diocese. Some articles focus on the Irish Catholics and the Inquirer seems to have had a prejudice view of those immigrants during that time especially the burning of the churches etc. That is probably why they didn't patronize that paper. Just a thought. Susan

I now know (I just found out via Google's Search Books) that George Bucher AYRES, who possessed the negative of Alexander Hesler's Beardless Lincoln portrait, passed it on to Edith Lyon Ayres BUNCE. From there, upon her death, it went to Anne Smith AYRES, another daughter of GBA's. William H. Woodward purchased it from her estate. Does anyone have any way of knowing about the exact date of death of Anne? One of the books mentioned her death as being in 1932. Thanks, Vince Summers

Vince, did you ever look into the orphans' court entries posted awhile back? They may be helpful to you in this respect, though there's no way to know in advance what those numbers mean. Here's the link in case you need a reminder: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/philly-roots/2006-12/1166568396 Good luck! The only other way I can think of to learn the date of death is to learn what cemetery she was buried in. Then you could learn the date of death and/or burial. Either would lead to your being able to obtain a death certificate and/or obituary. "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone have any way of knowing about the exact date of death of Anne? One of the books mentioned her death as being in 1932. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

In a message dated 4/30/2007 1:12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, kaydavis2@hotmail.com writes: Ditto. Sorry to have breached the rules; it was not my intent at all. Kay Kay- I understand--this was just a general reminder to everyone. Joan, admin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Obviously, that message to Kay was meant to be private. Sorry for the slip. jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 04/29/2007 06:30 AM

Ditto. Sorry to have breached the rules; it was not my intent at all. Kay ----Original Message Follows---- From: "J SCHWARTZ" <phillysleuth@verizon.net> Reply-To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Phly-Rts] sorry everyone Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:38:39 -0400 Obviously, that message to Kay was meant to be private. Sorry for the slip. jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 04/29/2007 06:30 AM ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01

I'm fairly new to this board so maybe all of you oldtime subscribers know about this, but I was just given the link to this awesome website. It contains, among other things, the Philadelphia Inquirer database. You can look at their resources and decide if it's worth $20/mo. I certainly was for me; I've found a wealth of information. www.genealogybank.com Good Luck ! Kay in California _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE

Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 From: "Roderick Craig" <rodjcraig@hotmail.com> Subject: [Phly-Rts] William Davy, Philadelphia Merchant (1794-1817) Hi, My interest lies in my 4 x great-grandfather, William Davy (1757-1827), an English born Philadelphia merchant, who became an American Citizen and later Principal agent for the Indian Factories under the Jefferson administration, before retiring to England as a Consul of the United States for Leeds and Kingston upon Hull (it must be quite rare for an Englishman to have American ancestors - usually the other way round !). The son of a Devonshire (England) cloth manufacturer, William Davy was born in Crediton in 1757. He was at first a presbyterian, then a unitarian and seems to have been a friend of Joseph Priestley. He emigrated to Pennsylvania with his wife, children and several sisters on the ship "Active", which arrived in Philadelphia on 15 August 1794. He first travelled to Northumberland County where he stayed with the Priestleys (September to November 1794). He Kept a diary of his trip, which was published in "Pennsylvania History" (Vol. XX, April 1953). On his return to Philadelphia, he wrote a long letter to George Washington, proposing to set up cloth manufactures and make uniforms for the new American Army (George Washington Papers, Library of Congress). He was naturalised on August 31, 1796. In 1797, he was alredy in business in Philadelphia with Josiah Roberts (from Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England - who later married William Davy's sister), under the name "Davy, Roberts and Co". Davy and Roberts started a calico printing firm in Germantown Road (The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography). >From at least 1797, William Davy, owned or chartered many ships. In about 1800, he fitted out the privateer "Alexander", captained by his son John Broom Davy, who captured several French ships. He imported sugar and cigars from Cuba (Brig "Angustus"), India goods (silk, sugar, spices...) from Calcutta (ships "Monticello" and "Coromandel"), Earth oil (petrol) and elephant tusks from Burma (ship "Coromandel), rum from St. Vincent and the Grenadines (schooner "Sukey and Peggy"), coffee from La Guaira, Venezuela (schooner "Three Friends")... He exported hides to England and guns to Simon Bolivar. I know that he received invitations in 1804 and 1805 to dine with President Thomas Jefferson in Washington (Pennsylvania History, Vol. XX, April 1953, p. 277) and that Mr. and Mrs James Madison entertained him in 1805 (Pennsylvania History, Vol. XX, April 1953, p. 277). Suddenly, in 1817, he applied for an appointment in the U.S. consular service and returned to England where he died in 1827. William Davy and his wife, Susannah Broom, had 14 children, but, for the moment I only know the names of 10. Several moved to England with their parents. Albert Davy and Josiah Davy were both in the consular service in Leeds. At least 3 sons remained in America. John Broom Davy was, for a few years, consul of the U.S.A. in Rangoon, Burma, and died in Bordentown, New Jersey in 1822. William Davy Junior died in 1822 in Cartagena, Colombia. Thomas Davy, an agent for DuPont de Nemours, spent over 10 years in Cienfuegos, Cuba, where he died in 1830. I have no idea if there are any descendants in America. I know that at least 3 children (probably more) were born in Philadelphia, but so far, I have been unable to find any baptisms (I suppose that they were baptised as Unitarians or Presbyterians). John Broom Davy married Harriet Bridges in 1804 in Philadelphia and Thomas Davy married Elizabeth Loockermans of Delaware... I have a few addresses of William Davy's businesses in Philadelphia (59 South Water Street ; Germantown Road ; wharves in Water Street ; Cypress Alley, between Spruce and Pine, and 3d and 4th Streets ; 32 Dock Street and 356 High), but I have only been able to check 2 Philadelphia directories for the period. I have been unable to find a will for any of the Davys in England. Where can I look in Pennsylvania ? Any further information about William Davy, his business... and the Davy family would be most appreciated. Roderick Craig, Mulhouse, France. ******************************************** In 'Phila Co PA Births 1766-1780' by John T Humphrey, published 1995, there are 2 entries for DAVY surname: William DAVY born 11/14/1779 to William and Rachael DAVY, Christ Church, Philadelphia. John James DAVY, son of Adam and Betsy, both deceased, was baptized in 2/1799 at Scots Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia (This entry says 1799, but the book is supposed to be only thru 1780, so I am not sure if 1799 was a misprint or the real date) Maybe this will give you a clue as to additional research at those churches. Was your William married twice? Wife is Rachael in the 1779church record. Or is this a diff William Daly? Marriage at Second Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia: 1800, Feb. 14, Daly, William, and Elizabeth Carhune Marriages at Gloria Dei Swedes Church, Phila: 1797, April 30, Daly, John, and Susanna Pickson. 1761, April 6, Daly, Owen, and Catharine McGraugh. Diana in Alabama

Hi, I am researching Aaron Henry ZULLINGER, and his son, Robert L. ZULLINGER. I suspect the L was from Robert's mom's last name. Robert attended the University of Pennsylvania, and received high honors there. I am interested in him because of the one he married - Anna "Nancy" Reisky SAILER, the daughter of Randolph and Mary "Maud" Sharswood FAIRMAN. Aaron was born in Franklin County, but was raised, largely, in Philadelphia. Anyone having interest in these names, Let me hear from you! Vince