Keep in mind that Castle Gardens like Ellis Island after it represents NEW YORK ship arrivals. I'd suggest for searching ship arrivals to begin with Steve Morse's site and find the port of arrival (including Philadelphia) you are looking for: http://stevemorse.org/ Joan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Hi Kay : Could you please give me the address of the Castlegardens.com that you mention in your email to the group. I tried it and got a garden center?? Peace be with you. Cousin Jack Clifton in sunny Florida Storian6@aol.com wrote: >Have found my great-grandparents arriving in Phila. June 10, 1880 aboard the >ship Rhynland from Antwerp, Belgium. Found this through the website >castlegardens.com. First page of the manifest shows date of arrival in Phila., the >master, and the city of departure, but does not list the date the ship left >Antwerp. Does anyone know where the departure date may be found? Will be grateful >for any help. Thanks. > >Kay Wells, Daytona Beach, FL > > >************************************** > See what's >free at http://www.aol.com. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

On October 24, 1824, the brig DELIGHT arrived in Philadelphia with, I think, my gr-gr-grandfather. Does anyone know: 1) how many passengers a brig could transport?; and, 2) where I would find a complete passenger list? The subscription online resource I use lists only seven passengers and I'm almost certain there are more. Thanks in advance Kay in California _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/

Hi everyone, I know little about Mortality Schedules, but from what I've found on the web, it looks like they were only collected for census years 1850-1880. I have a relative in PA who died July 21,1899. I thought maybe there would be info on her in a 1900 mortality schedule, but alas, it looks like there isn't one. Am I out of luck, or does it exist somewhere, perhaps just not on Ancestry??? Thanks, Rich --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

These records are on film at NARA in Phila and may be available through the FHL. The Rhynland was in use for years and made many trips. Merle -----Original Message----- From: Storian6@aol.com To: PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 9:44 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Immigrant ship Rhynland Have found my great-grandparents arriving in Phila. June 10, 1880 aboard the ship Rhynland from Antwerp, Belgium. Found this through the website castlegardens.com. First page of the manifest shows date of arrival in Phila., the master, and the city of departure, but does not list the date the ship left Antwerp. Does anyone know where the departure date may be found? Will be grateful for any help. Thanks. Kay Wells, Daytona Beach, FL ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Have found my great-grandparents arriving in Phila. June 10, 1880 aboard the ship Rhynland from Antwerp, Belgium. Found this through the website castlegardens.com. First page of the manifest shows date of arrival in Phila., the master, and the city of departure, but does not list the date the ship left Antwerp. Does anyone know where the departure date may be found? Will be grateful for any help. Thanks. Kay Wells, Daytona Beach, FL ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

And lots of luck getting St Charles to respond -----Original Message----- From: philly-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:philly-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Cotshott Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:23 PM To: philly-roots-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [Phly-Rts] Need some guidance w/minister's returns please. Several thoughts on the message below. A long shot is that all the priest were transfered before the the marriage took place. Check in the directores one or two years before on after the mar- rage to see if the priest name shows up. The second choice and most likley, which I have in my family is that the priest was well liked by the bride. He served in the parish for several and then was transferred to another parish. He was asked back to the parish to perform the marriage. John 1885 City Directory Roman Catholic St. Charles Borromeo 20th c Christian Rev. Nicholas J. Walsh, rector; Rev. John T. Crowley, Rev. Francis Dougherty, Rev. James C. Wynne, aast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larzemail" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: "Philly-roots" <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Need some guidance w/minister's returns please. > Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - > FINNEGAN 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When > following up by looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. > While I was there, no one available could help me with this, so I'm asking > you all :) In the column providing the name of the person officiating is > "St. Charles Borromeo". I looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through > most if not all of the Roman Catholic returns in 1885 without success. > Where should I be looking please? This is a new record to me - thanks in > advance for help! > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to CHRISTINE FRIEND at the Philadelphia Archdiocese I have been able to confirm that MARY MATHIEU (MARIE DE NORMANDIE PIERSON-PEARSON) was the daughter of ERNESTINE (ABERCROMBIE) PEARSON FIELD. See below. ========================= Ms. Christine Friend Records received: 5-3-07. Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center 100 East Wynnewood Road Wynnewood, PA 19096-3001 Baptismal Records bsp; Adele Julia Matthew Born January 7, 1850 Baptized June 23, 1850 – St. Patrick Church Parents: Philbert Matthew and Marie de Normandy Pierson Sponsors: Edward Gilliard and Adelaide Garcon By Rev. W. O’Hara Caroline Mathrosi Born September 26, 1853 Baptized June 6, 1854 – Cathedral of SS. Peter & Paul Parents: Filbert Mathrosi and Marie Pierson Sponsor: Henrietta Field By Rev. F. X. Matthew ==================================================== 1. ERNESTINE5 ABERCROMBIE (JOHN JOSEPH4, ALEXANDER3 ABERCROMBY, JAMES2 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN1) was born September 16, 1796 in Pennsylvania, and died March 23, 1890 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. She was the daughter of JOHN JOSEPH ABERCROMBIE and SARAH DE NORMANDIE. She married (1) ROBERT H. C. PEARSON May 18, 1812 in Jefferson County, Kentucky. He was born in Kentucky. She married (2) JOHN FIELD April 24, 1828 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. He was born Abt. 1790 in Pennsylvania, and died Aft. 1867 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. Child of ERNESTINE ABERCROMBIE and ROBERT PEARSON is: 2. i. MARIE DE NORMANDIE6 PEARSON, b. Abt. 1821, Tennessee; d. January 21, 1887, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. Children of ERNESTINE ABERCROMBIE and JOHN FIELD are: ii. SARAH CATHERINE6 FIELD, b. January 29, 1831, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. January 14, 1918, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. 3. iii. CAPT. CHARLES PETER J. FIELD, b. May 25, 1834, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. June 05, 1864, Chattanooga, Hamilton County, Tennessee. 4. iv. CAPT. THEODORE FRANCIS FIELD, b. January 07, 1838, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. December 01, 1918, Audubon, Camden County, New Jersey. Generation No. 2 2. MARIE DE NORMANDIE6 PEARSON (ERNESTINE5 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN JOSEPH4, ALEXANDER3 ABERCROMBY, JAMES2 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1821 in Tennessee, and died January 21, 1887 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. She married PHILBERT MATHIEU. He was born Abt. 1809 in France, and died January 06, 1881 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. Children of MARIE PEARSON and PHILBERT MATHIEU are: i. MARY7 MATHIEU, b. October 1844, Pennsylvania; d. October 11, 1913, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. ii. LEO MATHIEU, b. Abt. 1848, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. December 30, 1891, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. iii. ADELE JULIA MATHIEU, b. January 07, 1850, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. iv. CAROLINE MATHIEU, b. September 26, 1853, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. v. CATHERINE MATHIEU, b. Abt. 1857, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. March 15, 1881, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. vi. ROBERT MATHIEU, b. January 1860, New Jersey; d. December 11, 1902, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. 3. CAPT. CHARLES PETER J.6 FIELD (ERNESTINE5 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN JOSEPH4, ALEXANDER3 ABERCROMBY, JAMES2 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN1) was born May 25, 1834 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, and died June 05, 1864 in Chattanooga, Hamilton County, Tennessee. He married ELIZABETH PAUL BEAGARY September 24, 1859 in Camden, Camden County, New Jersey, daughter of JOHN BEAGARY and KEZIAH LANDERS. She was born September 05, 1838 in Camden, Camden County, New Jersey, and died October 21, 1889 in Worcester, Worcester County, Massachusetts. Children of CHARLES FIELD and ELIZABETH BEAGARY are: i. KATHERINE ADELE7 FIELD, b. July 31, 1860, Camden, Camden County, New Jersey; d. August 17, 1910, Worcester, Worcester County, Massachusetts; m. HERBERT JOHN RUSSELL, March 02, 1885, Worcester, Worcester County, Massachusetts; b. November 17, 1855, Worcester, Worcester County, Massachusetts; d. December 30, 1934, Worcester, Worcester County, Massachusetts. ii. HARRY SAWTELL FIELD, b. May 28, 1862, Camden, Camden County, New Jersey; d. September 05, 1838, Camden, Camden County, New Jersey. 4. CAPT. THEODORE FRANCIS6 FIELD (ERNESTINE5 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN JOSEPH4, ALEXANDER3 ABERCROMBY, JAMES2 ABERCROMBIE, JOHN1) was born January 07, 1838 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, and died December 01, 1918 in Audubon, Camden County, New Jersey. He married SUSAN BAINBRIDGE JACOBY November 01, 1879 in Baltimore County, Maryland, daughter of WILLIAM JACOBY and HANNAH HARTMAN. She was born September 27, 1858 in Camden, Camden County, New Jersey, and died November 20, 1929 in Audubon, Camden County, New Jersey. Child of THEODORE FIELD and SUSAN JACOBY is: i. CATHARINE ELOISE7 FIELD, b. November 25, 1880, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; m. (1) LOUIS GUILD CHENEY, February 11, 1903, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; b. August 02, 1881, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; d. 1905; m. (2) WILLIAM WEYMER REYNO, Aft. 1903; b. July 16, 1883, Pennsylvania; d. January 1971, Collingswood, Camden County, New Jersey. Note: LOUIS GUILD CHENEY was the 1st cousin, twice removed of V.P. RICHARD BRUCE "DICK" CHENEY. Jacqueline Sleeper Russell Website: _http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surn ame=A_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Listers, Here's another puzzle that maybe a few of you can help solve: There is a Bucks County, PA Orphans Court File [#2757], dated Sept. 1, 1819, which mentions Joseph VANDEGRIFT as deceased and lists his children as: "Hannah, Emily, John, Benjamin, and "Beans". My questions are: Who was the mother of these children? What was the real name of the child named "Beans"? and What was "Beans' " date of birth? Any help on this mystery would be greatly appreciated. Howard Howard Speck howards@infionline.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Hi. If you know where she was born, or date, or type of church she was a member of, you could find a baptism record. Worth a try. Good Hunting. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "larzemail" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: "Philly-roots" <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] What are the odds? >I just received 2 death certs for Philly ancestors, and neither one had a >mother's maiden name. Instead, there was a question mark. One of them, I >have already learned the mother's name, but the other, I was hoping this >would be the key to going back one more generation. Her marriage record >has not been found, her parents' names are unknown, and her death record & >obit provide no clues for parents other than they were each born in Phila. >She did receive a pension for her husband's Civil War service, and I'm >ordering that today (was holding off due to expense). Is there any other >record to use to learn who her parents are? Her children didn't know >because they filled out her death record with the question marks, and their >births were at a time when maiden names weren't provided. > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just received 2 death certs for Philly ancestors, and neither one had a mother's maiden name. Instead, there was a question mark. One of them, I have already learned the mother's name, but the other, I was hoping this would be the key to going back one more generation. Her marriage record has not been found, her parents' names are unknown, and her death record & obit provide no clues for parents other than they were each born in Phila. She did receive a pension for her husband's Civil War service, and I'm ordering that today (was holding off due to expense). Is there any other record to use to learn who her parents are? Her children didn't know because they filled out her death record with the question marks, and their births were at a time when maiden names weren't provided. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Looking for descendants of John Wallace SCOTT, born 31 AUG 1832 in Chester Co., PA, son of Samuel W. SCOTT b. 7 APR 1807 and Jane B., b. 9 APR 1807 He had a son, Henry/Henri Scott, who was a noted bass opera singer. John Wallace, his son Henry, and Henry's family lived in Philadelphia from about 1880 through at least 1920. If anyone has any more information regarding him and his descendants, please post it here. John Wallace Scott was a Civil War medal of honor recipient, and he is being honored at a ceremony at the Upper Octorara Cemetery in Parkesburg, PA on June 24, 2006. If you know of any living descendants, we'd like to invite them. Thanks, Mark Waldron

Several thoughts on the message below. A long shot is that all the priest were transfered before the the marriage took place. Check in the directores one or two years before on after the mar- rage to see if the priest name shows up. The second choice and most likley, which I have in my family is that the priest was well liked by the bride. He served in the parish for several and then was transferred to another parish. He was asked back to the parish to perform the marriage. John 1885 City Directory Roman Catholic St. Charles Borromeo 20th c Christian Rev. Nicholas J. Walsh, rector; Rev. John T. Crowley, Rev. Francis Dougherty, Rev. James C. Wynne, aast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larzemail" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: "Philly-roots" <PHILLY-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Need some guidance w/minister's returns please. > Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - > FINNEGAN 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When > following up by looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. > While I was there, no one available could help me with this, so I'm asking > you all :) In the column providing the name of the person officiating is > "St. Charles Borromeo". I looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through > most if not all of the Roman Catholic returns in 1885 without success. > Where should I be looking please? This is a new record to me - thanks in > advance for help! >

Listers, Emily VANDEGRIFT (b. 1798) md. Benjamin SNYDER in 1824 at Trinity Oxford Church in Philadelphia. Does anyone out there know who were the parents of Emily VANDEGRIFT? Or the names of any other siblings to Emily? Any further information would be greatly appreciated. Howard Howard Speck howards@infionline.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Listers, Joseph VANDEGRIFT (1776-1839) md. Sarah BANKSON in 1798 in Bensalem Twp. One of their children was Joseph, born "about 1809". Does anyone out there know anything about the younger Joseph (c. 1809)? For example: Was he ever married? What was the name of the spouse? When did he die? Where is he buried? I would appreciate getting info on this elusive man. Howard Howard Speck howards@infionline.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

I know this has been true in the past, Holy Cross in particular. Whatever has happened appears to be a recent policy decision. It would be interesting to know if the staff from previously cooperative cemeteries are telling callers the same story or just continuing to help. jo ----- Original Message ----- From: <TCall2004@comcast.net> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 07:03 AM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Archdiocese clamp down on burial information? > I have far better success with getting info from Catholic cemeteries. > > The folks at Holy Cross and St. Denis are aces! > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 04/29/2007 06:30 AM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 04/29/2007 06:30 AM

I have far better success with getting info from Catholic cemeteries. The folks at Holy Cross and St. Denis are aces!

St. Charles Borromeo is a Catholic church at 20th & Christian Streets, in Philadelphia, PA. Here is a link to the particulars of the church from the Archdiocese website. The church was founded in 1868. That was an Irish area: http://www.archdiocese-phl.org/parishes/7695.htm You folks would appear to have been married by a minister at this church. Ken Milano -- www.kennethwmilano.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: larzemail <larzemail@yahoo.com> > Today I was able to view the original marriage register for my SEKEL - FINNEGAN > 1885 marriage which was almost illegible on the film. When following up by > looking for the minister's return, I couldn't find it. While I was there, no > one available could help me with this, so I'm asking you all :) In the column > providing the name of the person officiating is "St. Charles Borromeo". I > looked under S, C, and B, then scrolled through most if not all of the Roman > Catholic returns in 1885 without success. Where should I be looking please? > This is a new record to me - thanks in advance for help! > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all who helped me with contact information for the church as well as the names of those I might look up in the returns! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.