It is worth a try but I doubt that the Philadelphia Court Clerk will do it. Philadelphia city employees are not known for politeness or service. I also doubt that those records are still at the court. It is probably best to start at the Philadelphia Archives. The employees there are reasonably competent. In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:03:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: It almost certainly is possible to get information about the case from the Clerk of the Court. They will have an index by name and date and will almost certainly be able to find complete papers for the case from the index entry. There also is very likely to be a Docket Book entry for the case which will show the nature of the case, the parties, and probably the outcome. The Docket entry may also include addresses of the parties. Don Don Krieger Pittsburgh, PA http://www.evendon.com **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323041x1201367261/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)

Try the Philadelphia Archives, 31st and Market Sts., Philadelphia. "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." Dave Barry "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Henny Youngman Gene Stackhouse > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:36:53 -0400 > Subject: [Phly-Rts] common pleas court cases > > Can anyone tell me how, if it is possible, to get further info on a common > pleas case I found mentioned in the Inquirer of May 4, 1883? Supposedly the > verdict was issued on May 3 by Judge Peirce. > > I did not find this available in the LDS catalog. > > Thank you, > Brenda > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brenda, It almost certainly is possible to get information about the case from the Clerk of the Court. They will have an index by name and date and will almost certainly be able to find complete papers for the case from the index entry. There also is very likely to be a Docket Book entry for the case which will show the nature of the case, the parties, and probably the outcome. The Docket entry may also include addresses of the parties. Don Don Krieger Pittsburgh, PA http://www.evendon.com Everything on our site is free and permanent. Loading is very fast. Each page includes a highlighted copy/paste link which you can use for easy online citation. Please support us by letting others know about our site -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brenda Antal Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:37 AM To: List Philly Roots Subject: [Phly-Rts] common pleas court cases Can anyone tell me how, if it is possible, to get further info on a common pleas case I found mentioned in the Inquirer of May 4, 1883? Supposedly the verdict was issued on May 3 by Judge Peirce. I did not find this available in the LDS catalog. Thank you, Brenda ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me how, if it is possible, to get further info on a common pleas case I found mentioned in the Inquirer of May 4, 1883? Supposedly the verdict was issued on May 3 by Judge Peirce. I did not find this available in the LDS catalog. Thank you, Brenda

Listers, I'm sure this question has been answered numerous times before on this List, but I no longer recall the info. I think they're available from City Archives, but assuming the possibility still exists, what is the process for ordering copies of estate administrations by mail - for the year 1842? Howard Howard Speck [email protected] EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Contact: Register of Wills, City Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19107 Gene Stackhouse: Beer: the reason that I get up every afternoon! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Howard Speck <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Howard Speck <[email protected]> > Subject: [Phly-Rts] Philadelphia Estate Admins. > To: "PHILLY List" <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:41 PM > Listers, >     I'm sure this question has been answered > numerous times before on this > List, but I no longer recall the info.  I think > they're available from City > Archives, but assuming the possibility still exists, what > is the process > for ordering copies of estate administrations by mail - for > the year 1842? > >             >             >             > Howard > > > Howard Speck > [email protected] > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

I am in the UK and I have not contributed to this list for some time having hit a brick wall despite a lot of people trying to help. I just wonder if anyone new might have some ideas. I am looking for any information on the death of Jonathan (or John maybe) de Vine who I understood from a newspaper in Australia, had died 17th November 1859 age 54 at his home in Digby Terrace, Philadelphia. In my search I learnt that there are 10 Philadelphias in USA so I really don't know if it is the PA one. His wife's name was Mary Ann but I don't know if she outlived him or not. Someone mentioned Genealogybank but I don't have a subscription. There appears to be an obit for a John de Vine Sept.1860. A long shot, but can someone look that up for me? Any guidance would be great. Ann

I have a question about interpreting the Phila. County tax Assessments Ledgers for the early 1800's. The question is, who owns the property and who rents? Here is a sample of one entry for South Ward in 1815 as it appeared in the book at the City Archives: James Webster - Bookseller Per. 1 house and for Annesley's 3000 (3-story BH & lot) 450 I know from the 1815 city directory that James Webster lives at 91 S. 6th St. According to the 1850 Bywater's Philadelphia City Directory chart for addresses before 1858, (likely Biddle's system in this example) this address puts Webster's location on the east side between Chestnut & Walnut Sts, which is South Ward as the tax list indicates. OK, so far. According to another reference I have which interprets this tax format, Annesley would own the house and James Webster rents it from Annesley. This example didn't indicate any personal tax Webster owes but other tax records I have show many examples with Webster paying personal tax. An additional question about these taxes is one of determining where each property is located. I know Webster is in South Ward from his address, but does this format mean that Annesley is also in South Ward? In the 1814 city directory (there is no 1815), the 3 Annesley addresses are all not in South Ward. If Annesley is not in South Ward, wouldn't this tax assessment, if he is the owner, be listed in the Ward book for wherever his ward is located? Would these be listed in two different ward books if the addresses are in different wards? I have been unable to find any detailed explanation for understanding the format of these early 1800's tax books anywhere. Since I am looking for my ANSLEYS in these years from 1800 to 1823, interpreting these tax records which contain various Annesley entries is critical. If anyone out there can help, or can direct me to a book, I'm be most grateful. Marge Ansley

Hi,    What do you mean by " Baby Graves"?     If you are talking about the "Baby Graves" that belong to the Archdiocese you cannot put headstones on them because they are 'mass' graves - graves that hold a minimum of 6 babies and they are owned by the Archdiocese. Most of thes 'Baby Graves' are small plots within Archdiocesan Cemeteries - usually identified by a small monument or an Angel statue.    If a baby was buried in a privately owned grave within an Archdiocesan Cemetery they can have a headstone because that plot does not belong to the Archdiocese. -- Dee Kaelin Maialetti Philadelphia, Pa. ************** Listowner: KAELIN-L **************** Kaelin Ancestry Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kaelin/index.html **************** Genealogy Blog: Looking Into The Past http://lookingintothepast.blogspot.com/ **************** Cemetery Photography Blog: Perspectives http://perspectively.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: PHILLY-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 158 Today's Topics:      2. Baby Graves in Archdiocese Cemeteries (Michael J. O'Brien) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:34:43 -0400 From: "Michael J. O'Brien" <[email protected]> Subject: [Phly-Rts] Baby Graves in Archdiocese Cemeteries To: "philly-roots" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1" We are looking for others who have experienced difficulty placing a marker on a baby grave in the Archdiocesan cemeteries.  I have been told by some of the cemeteries that not allowing a marker has nothing to do with legality, but it is simply a policy.   In recent years the cemeteries now allow baby markers because of the insistence of parents (at a nominal fee). Thirty or 40 years ago this was not an option, and the Diocese continues to push back upon these requests. I'm looking for comments, suggestions from others who have run into this policy.  we have been trying to have something done for our daughter for over 10 years with no results.

Excuse me, but why is it necessary to be so nasty?  The original poster was only asking a question. Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:42:04 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Baby Graves in Archdiocese Cemeteries To: [email protected] Message-ID: < [email protected] > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"     I fail to see how this message is relevant to genealogy. However, in my opinion, if you don't like a cemetery's policy, use another   cemetery!   S and T Enterprises  

Not allow parents to mark a child's grave??? That sounds SO cruel! Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:34:43 -0400 From: "Michael J. O'Brien" < [email protected] > Subject: [Phly-Rts] Baby Graves in Archdiocese Cemeteries To: "philly-roots" < [email protected] > Message-ID: < [email protected] > Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1" We are looking for others who have experienced difficulty placing a marker on a baby grave in the Archdiocesan cemeteries.  I have been told by some of the cemeteries that not allowing a marker has nothing to do with legality, but it is simply a policy.   In recent years the cemeteries now allow baby markers because of the insistence of parents (at a nominal fee). Thirty or 40 years ago this was not an option, and the Diocese continues to push back upon these requests. I'm looking for comments, suggestions from others who have run into this policy.  we have been trying to have something done for our daughter for over 10 years with no results.

Thank you. Joan L in FL In a message dated 7/16/2009 10:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, genes [email protected] writes: Marriage License Bureau, City Hall, Philadelphia, 19107. There is a fee. Her parents will be listed only if she was a minor (under 21 years old) when the license was taken out. I think that the cost is two checks: one for $15.00 and one for $20.00. "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." Dave Barry "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Henny Youngman Gene Stackhouse > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:10:29 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Phly-Rts] marriage application > > I have a record for a marriage application > > Donahue, Bertha M (Hanst) 1920 F 431173 > > she married Howard H Hanst. > > I want to get the application to find out Bertha's parents so I know if she > is the one I'm looking for. > I live in Florida so I can't go myself. Where do I write to for this > information and how much is it? > > Thank you > > Joan L in FL > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this > summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com > (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007)

Marriage License Bureau, City Hall, Philadelphia, 19107. There is a fee. Her parents will be listed only if she was a minor (under 21 years old) when the license was taken out. I think that the cost is two checks: one for $15.00 and one for $20.00. "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." Dave Barry "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Henny Youngman Gene Stackhouse > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:10:29 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Phly-Rts] marriage application > > I have a record for a marriage application > > Donahue, Bertha M (Hanst) 1920 F 431173 > > she married Howard H Hanst. > > I want to get the application to find out Bertha's parents so I know if she > is the one I'm looking for. > I live in Florida so I can't go myself. Where do I write to for this > information and how much is it? > > Thank you > > Joan L in FL > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this > summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com > (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't have time to send off a response yesterday. William Bruchey is found in 1920 Census Philadelphia Ward 28-2521 Arizona St. He was born in MD. Perhaps he was buried with his MD family? In addition to the obits in MD there is a SSDI for another Bruchey that brings the family forth another generation in MD. The Catholic Cemeteries Office 215-587-3560-the people there are VERY nice! Claire has given very good advice! I just found a death cert for Marie Bruchey, dau of Wm H and Phoebe buried 22 May 1899 at American Mechanics Cemetery-premature birth Ward 29 -1810 Woodstock St. Perhaps he was buried in other than a Catholic Cemetery? Mary McCanney Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire K" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] FW: Obit lookup for William H Bruchey >. There were four WBs > in GB, ranging from 1869 to 1918, all in the Maryland Sun (just in > case any may be an earlier generation, if you have MD connections). > The Catholic Cemeteries Office (of the Archdiocese of Phila.)? > If you don't know a precise location in the cemetery (which I assume > you don't, as you don't even know the YOD), the CCO will charge you > for the research, but it's a nominal amount ($15, last I knew) > Are there other family members whose DOD you know who might be buried > in the same plot? If so, you can get a free listing of that plot > (specifying section, range, and lot numbers) from the CCO, and maybe > you'll find WB in the same plot, with his DOBurial. Then finding a > death notice will be much easier. > > Hope one of those ideas helps. > > Claire K. > > > On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Michael J. O'Brien wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael J. O'Brien [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:09 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Obit lookup for William H Bruchey >> >> >> We are looking for the obituary for WILLIAM H BRUCHEY who died >> between 1920 >> and 1930 in Philadelphia. My cousin is visiting Philadelphia from >> South >> Carolina and while she is here she would like to visit his grave >> before she >> returns home. >> >> We have tried asking the Catholic Cemeteries for help. Holy Cross as >> everyone knows was very helpful and cheerful about checking their >> records >> for Mr. Bruchey but apparently he was not buried there. We tried >> Cathedral >> and got the usual run around and lack of help. >> >> Could some kind person do a lookup for Mr. Bruchey's obit which >> would likely >> list his burial site? Again William died between 1920 and 1930. His >> second wife was Mary E. Greenleaf, a widow. They married in 1917. >> >> Thanks for any assistance. Any suggestions to find this burial site >> would be >> greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: http:// >> archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > Claire K > [email protected] > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a record for a marriage application Donahue, Bertha M (Hanst) 1920 F 431173 she married Howard H Hanst. I want to get the application to find out Bertha's parents so I know if she is the one I'm looking for. I live in Florida so I can't go myself. Where do I write to for this information and how much is it? Thank you Joan L in FL **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007)

Come on everyone. If you have an issue with another poster, please take the response private. Thanks! Joan, admin [email protected]

GenealogyBank has the Philadelphia Inquirer up to 1922, but has no entry for a William Bruchey in Philadelphia, so if you're sure he died in Philadelphia, maybe it was after 1922. There were four WBs in GB, ranging from 1869 to 1918, all in the Maryland Sun (just in case any may be an earlier generation, if you have MD connections). You say you contacted "the Catholic Cemeteries" and then mention Holy Cross and (Old) Cathedral. Did you contact just the cemeteries, or also The Catholic Cemeteries Office (of the Archdiocese of Phila.)? If you don't know a precise location in the cemetery (which I assume you don't, as you don't even know the YOD), the CCO will charge you for the research, but it's a nominal amount ($15, last I knew), which might be worth it if they will search one cemetery for a few years (I don't know if they'll search 10 years at a time, though). Is there a reason you tried Old Cathedral but not New Cathedral? Are there other family members whose DOD you know who might be buried in the same plot? If so, you can get a free listing of that plot (specifying section, range, and lot numbers) from the CCO, and maybe you'll find WB in the same plot, with his DOBurial. Then finding a death notice will be much easier. Hope one of those ideas helps. Claire K. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Michael J. O'Brien wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J. O'Brien [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Obit lookup for William H Bruchey > > > We are looking for the obituary for WILLIAM H BRUCHEY who died > between 1920 > and 1930 in Philadelphia. My cousin is visiting Philadelphia from > South > Carolina and while she is here she would like to visit his grave > before she > returns home. > > We have tried asking the Catholic Cemeteries for help. Holy Cross as > everyone knows was very helpful and cheerful about checking their > records > for Mr. Bruchey but apparently he was not buried there. We tried > Cathedral > and got the usual run around and lack of help. > > Could some kind person do a lookup for Mr. Bruchey's obit which > would likely > list his burial site? Again William died between 1920 and 1930. His > second wife was Mary E. Greenleaf, a widow. They married in 1917. > > Thanks for any assistance. Any suggestions to find this burial site > would be > greatly appreciated! > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http:// > archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PHILLY-ROOTS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Claire K [email protected]

I suspect that you are looking for a death notice rather than an obituary. Obituaries are written by a newspaper staff person and are published free. They are usually for well-known or famous people. A death notice is a paid notice, submitted by the family, for which the newspaper charges a fee. In the early 20th Century, most people would not pay to have death notices published because most people could not afford them. I know of no master list of death notices in the Philadelphia newspapers. What you are asking for is that someone spend many hours looking in every newspaper published over a ten year period which may, or may not, have a person's death notice. Philadelphia Research **************Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4)

The Pennsylvania Department of Records in Newcastle, PA, will have the death record. "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." Dave Barry "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Henny Youngman Gene Stackhouse > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:16:28 -0400 > Subject: [Phly-Rts] FW: Obit lookup for William H Bruchey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J. O'Brien [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Obit lookup for William H Bruchey > > > We are looking for the obituary for WILLIAM H BRUCHEY who died between 1920 > and 1930 in Philadelphia. My cousin is visiting Philadelphia from South > Carolina and while she is here she would like to visit his grave before she > returns home. > > We have tried asking the Catholic Cemeteries for help. Holy Cross as > everyone knows was very helpful and cheerful about checking their records > for Mr. Bruchey but apparently he was not buried there. We tried Cathedral > and got the usual run around and lack of help. > > Could some kind person do a lookup for Mr. Bruchey's obit which would likely > list his burial site? Again William died between 1920 and 1930. His > second wife was Mary E. Greenleaf, a widow. They married in 1917. > > Thanks for any assistance. Any suggestions to find this burial site would be > greatly appreciated! > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I fail to see how this message is relevant to genealogy. However, in my opinion, if you don't like a cemetery's policy, use another cemetery! S and T Enterprises In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:35:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: We are looking for others who have experienced difficulty placing a marker on a baby grave in the Archdiocesan cemeteries. I have been told by some of the cemeteries that not allowing a marker has nothing to do with legality, but it is simply a policy. In recent years the cemeteries now allow baby markers because of the insistence of parents (at a nominal fee). Thirty or 40 years ago this was not an option, and the Diocese continues to push back upon these requests. I'm looking for comments, suggestions from others who have run into this policy. we have been trying to have something done for our daughter for over 10 years with no results **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006)