Beamer A weaver's beamer drew yarn through and onto the long heavy beam of a loom. Thanks to Mary Finely for helping me locate what a beamer did. It wasn't my man after all. Jane

google "occupation beamer" without the quotes Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] Occupation Beamer? > I may have found my elusive Charles E. Wood. > 1920 census a Charles is singe, lodger, occupation is pipe fitter at ship > yard. > 1930 census a Charles is married 7 years to Ethel. Occupation "Beamer". > It also states he > had been in the military, which is possibly why I do not find him in the > WW1 registrations. > 1931 death certificate states he was a teamster. > > My question: what is a "Beamer". Does it relate to the pipe fitter and > teamster? > I did goggle this, but no results. > Thank you, Jane > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I may have found my elusive Charles E. Wood. 1920 census a Charles is singe, lodger, occupation is pipe fitter at ship yard. 1930 census a Charles is married 7 years to Ethel. Occupation "Beamer". It also states he had been in the military, which is possibly why I do not find him in the WW1 registrations. 1931 death certificate states he was a teamster. My question: what is a "Beamer". Does it relate to the pipe fitter and teamster? I did goggle this, but no results. Thank you, Jane

I understand that records of reinterrments are being kept. You will have to contact the cemetery. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Beer: It's not just for breakfast anymore! > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:30:45 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] Greenwood, Knoghts of Pythias, Cemetery, Northwood > > > > > Gene > Do you know how we would find which burials were removed to another location. We have a number of family members interred in Greenwood. > > Thanks > Kassie Bevan > Oregon > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is not possible to tell exactly where these addresses were at that time because there have been address changes and the changes were not recorded and in 1820 Passyunk Ave. and Fitzwater St. were not in the city of Philadelphia. They were, probably, either in the Southwark District or Moyamensing Township. Possibly in Passyunk Township. Since those addresses were not in the city, they will not be listed in the city directories. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Beer: It's not just for breakfast anymore! > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:49:35 -0500 > Subject: [Phly-Rts] 1820 census ward? > > Does anyone know what ward in 1820, 44 Passyunk Ave and/or 21 Fitzwater street are in? > Looking for Thomas Foxhill or Mary Foxhill. Above are the address's listed in the city directory. > Thank you, Jane > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what ward in 1820, 44 Passyunk Ave and/or 21 Fitzwater street are in? Looking for Thomas Foxhill or Mary Foxhill. Above are the address's listed in the city directory. Thank you, Jane

Gene Do you know how we would find which burials were removed to another location. We have a number of family members interred in Greenwood. Thanks Kassie Bevan Oregon

I love old cemeteries but I have left explicit instructions to be cremated when my time comes. Stories like this are the reason why. Thanks for posting it, Gene. Graves moved in Northeast cemetery to make way for parking lot By Sam Wood   

Well, I've been fighting to find CERONIOs, and succeeding, albeit slowly. Stephen's grandson, James GW CERONIO, was born in Sydney, Australia, July 21, 1809. He keeps changing his name! In India, he went by James George Wadsworth Ceronio, but I am finding in Australia, he went by James General Wellesley CERONIO. I wouldn't be surprised to find out his name is a throwback to the U.S., and James George Washington CERONIO. But I haven't told y'all the funny part! His father was James Montague DeLare CERONIO (if anybody knows where this name comes from, please let me know!). Stephen's son. Now James was a ships' captain, and he attempted to do business in islands near Fiji (then called Fejee). No biggy, right? Wrong! The inhabitants engaged in human sacrifice, some of them, and some were cannibals! Trying to do business with cannibals? Idiot, right? Well he and the whole bunch of 'em almost got INVITED TO DINNER. This has just been the most interesting search, although frustrating, I have ever encountered. Ta-Ta for now, Vince Summers

Here is a link to an article on philly.com about a new Philadelphia Historical website. http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/78665752.html The new website is: www.PhilaPlace.org I haven't spent much time on it yet, but it looks like there is some historical info and maps. I thought everyone might be interested. -Barbara

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:55:09 -0500 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Anthony_Waskie?= <[email protected]> Subject: Graves moved in Northeast cemetery to make way for parking lot Graves moved in Northeast cemetery to make way for parking lot By Sam Wood Inquirer Staff Writer Once an estate owned by Declaration of Independence signer Benjamin Rush, the Knights of Pythias Greenwood Cemetery was chartered in 1869 as an inviting burial park with rolling hills and tree-lined paths. Scores of veterans of the Civil War and Spanish American War are interred at the 44-acre burial ground in the Northeast. Perhaps its most famous residents are W.C. Fields' parents, James and Kate Dukenfield. Now, on six muddy acres, archaeologists are digging up the remains of thousands of people. Since July, more than 1,500 bodies have been disinterred to make way for the Cancer Treatment Center of America's need for 200 parking spots. But this, as the song says, is more than paving paradise and putting up a parking lot. Greenwood, on Adams Avenue near Castor Avenue, has languished in rack and ruin for decades. Dump trucks piled millions of tons of industrial waste onto family plots, burying many under an additional 20 feet of debris. The trade-off for disturbing the eternal rest of nearly 3,000 souls, some of whom have lain in plots for 150 years? The cemetery gets $1.2 million to renovate the crumbling Rush house and restore the grounds to their former glory. The remains, which are being moved at a cost of $3 million, will be reinterred in concrete vaults and topped with a new memorial. The project has been described as a win for both hospital officials and cemetery supporters. Back in the 1930s, when Elizabeth and Ralph Clare were buried at Greenwood, families still gathered there to have picnics and tend to the graves of loved ones. But like scores of historic cemeteries in the region, the grounds fell into decline as the dead were forgotten and families stopped paying for upkeep. Joanne Clare, 57, grew up making regular visits to her grandparents' plot. As the years passed, she watched as the cemetery went to seed. Junked cars were abandoned near her ancestors' graves. Weeds and saplings grew unchecked. Vandals toppled her family's tombstones. Her father struggled with cemetery managers to right them. "He couldn't get them to do anything," Clare said. Clare was horrified when she visited in 2001, she said. "It looked like an overgrown forest with tires, steel-mill slag, and cement chunks littered all over the place," she said. "You could only get back there in the winter, and even then it was like taking your life into your own hands." She joined the Friends of Greenwood, a volunteer organization that maintains the cemetery's records, helps families look up burial sites, and stages periodic cleanups of the grounds, which hold more than 28,000 graves. "I was sick to my stomach and very aggravated on why and how it got this way," said Clare, who became a member of the group's board of directors the next year. In 2005, the Cancer Treatment Centers of America took over vacant Parkview Hospital, next to the cemetery. The cancer center, which opened with 160 employees, expects to have more than 1,000 on staff by 2010. With more employees comes a need for more parking, marketing director John Goodchild said. Long-range plans for the center also include a guesthouse for patients' families and additional clinical buildings, Goodchild said. The only place to expand was into the cemetery. The center's parent company created an affiliate that bought a majority of the cemetery's shares and to which it then paid $1.2 million for nine acres. The parent firm also agreed to cover the cost to move the remains to vaults at the better-preserved northern end of the necropolis. "We've had a handful of cases where cemeteries have been reborn," said Thomas Keels, author of Philadelphia Graveyards and Cemeteries. "This is one of the first cases where a corporation has stepped in and said, 'If we can make this trade, we will help restore the cemetery.' " The project began in June, and archaeologists started removing remains July 15. Last month, Roderick Brown, principal archaeologist for the Louis Berger Group, ambled down a path littered with broken concrete and black foundry sand. "Six months ago, this was a jungle," he said. "When the project began, there were archaeologists swinging machetes just to clear it." The end of the trail opened onto one of two dig sites at the cemetery's south end. Two archaeologists watched as an excavating machine scraped the earth. "They're looking for soil discolorations that are indicative of a grave," Brown said. Around him, hundreds of pink ribbons fluttered from stakes that marked formerly occupied plots. "We're finding people where they're not supposed to be." Of the 3,000 graves, only 230 had tombstones, Brown said. "Most of the folks just couldn't afford them. That's my guess," he said. "Others had metal markers. Some may have had wooden crosses that just deteriorated." In most cases, the archaeologists have unearthed full skeletons. But some exhumations have been trickier. "If bodies remain under the water table or above it, they're usually well- preserved," Brown said. "Those people buried in an area with a fluctuating water table, going from wet to dry, are completely dissolved." Wooden coffins are rarely in good enough shape to remove intact. "Sometimes all we see is a stain. There's no actual wood there," Brown said. "Very few of the coffins were placed in protective vaults, and some bodies were never placed in coffins." A few people have volunteered to help disinter relatives. Among them was Clare, who in late August helped an archaeologist remove the grandparents she never met. "It was an emotional experience," Clare said. "Before we started, I introduced myself to them and apologized for what we had to do." The remains were moved to a plot in the northern end of the cemetery. "Now," she said, "they're in an area we can visit and honor them." Contact staff writer Sam Wood at 215-854-2796 or [email protected] http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20091207_Graves_moved_in_Northea st_cemetery_to_make_way_for_parking_lot.html?viewAll=y&c=y Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Beer: It's not just for breakfast anymore!

I will send it off-list. Given that Ceronio is an unusual name and the fact that she was born overseas in a colony, it does make you wonder. Italy to Philadelphia to the Indies and elsewhere and then perhaps one of them goes to England. Liane

You know -- this could be a 2nd wife for Stephen Ceronio - it is remotely possible. I don't know... Is there an image? Vince On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM, lfenimore <[email protected]> wrote: > I tried 1861 using a first name, place and birthdate search and don't see > Mary Ceronio but then I can't find a death in the civil registration > database for her either [maybe she left the country] nor is there a > re-marriage. > > Curiously, in 1861 someone who looks like Mary Rafferty, her servant, is > working as a housekeeper for another family and the wife and a visitor to > the household were born in East India.  A lot of these colonial families > knew each other which may be how Mary Rafferty got her job.  That might > point to Mary Ceronio as from the East Indies.  But not at all conclusive. > > Amazing how people got around, Americans included. > > Liane > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.ehow.com/members/ds_7b3c7914-50da-4602-ad9f-8e0007b16ff9.html http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/333797/vincent_summers.html

I tried 1861 using a first name, place and birthdate search and don't see Mary Ceronio but then I can't find a death in the civil registration database for her either [maybe she left the country] nor is there a re-marriage. Curiously, in 1861 someone who looks like Mary Rafferty, her servant, is working as a housekeeper for another family and the wife and a visitor to the household were born in East India. A lot of these colonial families knew each other which may be how Mary Rafferty got her job. That might point to Mary Ceronio as from the East Indies. But not at all conclusive. Amazing how people got around, Americans included. Liane

It was worth a shot, Liane. I don't believe it fits, though. Wish I knew what the colony was. It is remotely a possibility... Thanks, Vince On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, lfenimore <[email protected]> wrote: > Vince, > > Don't know if this is at all useful but - given the unusual name - there is > this on the 1851 English census: > > 87 Clarence Rd, Blean, Kent > > Mary CERONIO  head  widow  56  fundholder, b. British Colony > May Rafferty  servant unm 53  cook b Galway IRE > May Rafferty  servant unm 13  housemaid b Cripplegate, LON > > Mary is also on the 1841 census: > > She is in Marylebone, London, Crescent Place [just off Mornington Crescent]: > > Mary CERONIO  42  Ind [independent means] N [not b in county] > Mary Rafferty  50 [ages were usually rounded down, so 45-49] FS, b IRE > Mary Hallen  14 FS b IRE > > It is not clear but they may be in the household [and certainly in the same > building as and the next apt to] Luiz Pinto de Several, 30, attache to the > Portuguese legation and his wife. > > Liane Fenimore > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.ehow.com/members/ds_7b3c7914-50da-4602-ad9f-8e0007b16ff9.html http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/333797/vincent_summers.html

Vince, Don't know if this is at all useful but - given the unusual name - there is this on the 1851 English census: 87 Clarence Rd, Blean, Kent Mary CERONIO head widow 56 fundholder, b. British Colony May Rafferty servant unm 53 cook b Galway IRE May Rafferty servant unm 13 housemaid b Cripplegate, LON Mary is also on the 1841 census: She is in Marylebone, London, Crescent Place [just off Mornington Crescent]: Mary CERONIO 42 Ind [independent means] N [not b in county] Mary Rafferty 50 [ages were usually rounded down, so 45-49] FS, b IRE Mary Hallen 14 FS b IRE It is not clear but they may be in the household [and certainly in the same building as and the next apt to] Luiz Pinto de Several, 30, attache to the Portuguese legation and his wife. Liane Fenimore

In my efforts to track down Revolutionary War Agent to Hispaniola Stephen Ceronio (who had come from Italy to Philadelphia), I just managed to track down two of three of Stephen's sons. The timing, plus the names, plus the location, plus one's death and age (not to mention a descendant of one son) have all given me this. From the 1819 East India directory and register, Ceronio, James, ship builder, 1800 ----------, E. indigo manufacturer, Nuddeah, 1803 The E is Edward. William's the only missing one now. The death information is: The Times -- India, Dec 18, 1860. JMD Ceronio Dec 6, 1860 At Chandernagore of Fever Age 77 years. The complete name is James Montague Delare CERONIO. My guess would be more like James Montague De Lair Ceronio or something like that. The reason is I see a BEAN named George Montague De Lair BEAN and he's likely a descendant, since one Eveline Catherine Jekyll CERONIO did marry a BEAN. Vince

Thank you very much for the city directory and information. Marian in Virginia Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: thefamilyfinder<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phly-Rts] city directory look up 1905 p. 1858 Haggerty, Ann, wid. Robt., h. 2125 Christian p. 1790 Maloney, Jas. P., plumber, 2125 Christian p. 1790 Maloney, Jno. S., S__agt. 2127 Christian ----- Original Message ----- From: "mom mchale" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "philly" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] city directory look up 1905 > Is it possible to find who lived at a certain address in 1905? > Looking for who lived at 2125 Christian street in Philadelphia PA. > According to passenger ship arrivals, it looks like Bridget McAl----? > Thanks for any help from anyone. > Marian in Virginia Beach > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS> > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS> ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

p. 1858 Haggerty, Ann, wid. Robt., h. 2125 Christian p. 1790 Maloney, Jas. P., plumber, 2125 Christian p. 1790 Maloney, Jno. S., S__agt. 2127 Christian ----- Original Message ----- From: "mom mchale" <[email protected]> To: "philly" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [Phly-Rts] city directory look up 1905 > Is it possible to find who lived at a certain address in 1905? > Looking for who lived at 2125 Christian street in Philadelphia PA. > According to passenger ship arrivals, it looks like Bridget McAl----? > Thanks for any help from anyone. > Marian in Virginia Beach > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PHILLY-ROOTS > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it possible to find who lived at a certain address in 1905? Looking for who lived at 2125 Christian street in Philadelphia PA. According to passenger ship arrivals, it looks like Bridget McAl----? Thanks for any help from anyone. Marian in Virginia Beach