This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/nNABAIB/5404.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Yes, I had ruths father down as Herbert Vaughan Phillips/Philipps son of Lloyd Rice Phillips b 1827 and Maria(Unknown) and grandson of John George Phillips b 1783-and Frances Eliza Hawford. Herbert Vaughan phillips wife was Catherine Sarah Morgan, 2-2-1850,daughter of Richard Morgan 1808-1851 and wife Georgiana Catherina Philipps 1820-1897 daughter of John George Phillips and Frances Eliza Hawford, so herbert vaughan and his wife were First Cousins ! John George Philipps born 1783 is reputed to be the son of John George Philipps who married twice.. Anne Ball and Anne Thomas .it was possibly this john george who fought at the battle of the nile, according to Frank (if i understood him correctly) Frances Elizabeth Morgan Hoggan was the sister of Catherine Sarah Morgan as you know. One of those snippets was I believe an excerpt from the diary of the great feminist Harriet Dean Stanton, collaborator of Susan B Anthony. FOLKES, MARTIN (1690—1754), English antiquary, was born in London on the 29th of October 1690. He was educated at Saumur University and Clare College, Cambridge, where he so distinguished himself in mathematics that when only twentythree years of age he was chosen a fellow of the Royal Society. He was elected one of the council in 1716, and in 1723 Sir Isaac Newton, president of the society, appointed him one of the vicepresidents. On the death of Newton he became a candidate for the presidency, but was defeated by Sir Hans Sloane, whom, however, he succeeded in 1741; in 1742 he was made a member of the French Academy; in 1746 he received honorary degrees from Oxford and Cambridge. In 1733 he set out on a tour through Italy, in the course of which he composed his Dissertations on the ll7eights and Values of Ancient Coins. Before the Society of Antiquaries, of which he was president from 1749 to 1754, he read in 1736 his Observations on the Trojan and Anlonine Pillars! at Rome and his Table of English Gold Coins from the 18th Year of King Edward III. In 1745 he printed the latter with another on the history of silver coi1~ge. He also contributed both to the Society’ of Antiquaries and to the Royal Society other papers, chiefly on Roman antiquities. He married in 1714 Lucretia Bradshaw, an actress who had appeared at the Haymarket and Drury Lane (see Nichols’s Lit. Anecdot. ii. 5 78-598). For Sir John Hill’s attack on Folkes (Review of the Works of the Royal Soc., 1751), see DIsraeli, Calamities and Quarrels of Authors (1860), pp. 364-366. The Fourth child of Griffith, MP for Carmarthen 1751-1761/1768-1774and Lucretia was according to my records, Herbert Martin Philipps (the one I am interested in), but I am Pretty sure i dont have all the children listed correctly.. HOWEVER, the fourth child of John George Philipps MP for Carmarthen 1784-1802 and Anne Ball was Griffith Grismond Philipps born 1782 who married Catherine Warlow. he was MP for carmarthen but i am not sure of the dates for him . John George/frances Hawford son Griffith Grismond Philipps was a JP for carmarthenshire Heres his entry in 1881 census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Griffith G. PHILLIPS Head M Male 69 Portsea, Hampshire, England Navy Offcr Command R No(Retired Lut)(J P For The Borough Of Carmarthenshire) Georgiana PHILLIPS Wife M Female 63 Barbedors, India Magdaline A.H.E. PHILLIPS Daur U Female 20 St Peters, Carmarthen, Wales Elizabeth A. JONES Serv U Female 20 St Peters, Carmarthen, Wales General Serv Domestic his wife Georgiana Wilkinson he married in Saint James, Paddington 3-8-1852 they had a son (griffith grismond 1853) and the daughter you see above, maybe others. Sorry I dont have any info at this time on Herbert Vaughan Philipps , but I hope this will give you some stuff to get your teeth into!