This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/nNABAIB/5404.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Amanda I have tried getting hold of these titles (and similar) before. My library is "out of area" Ones I have seen, including various Burkes, Debretts, Whos Who, County Families of the United Kingdom by Walford (I own that one) and Burkes Landed Gentry 1848 (ditto) concentrate on primogeniture and peter out rather at the grandchildren stage, though I do have a fairly awesome LegacyFDB file largely constructed from Burkes etc. Though I am not sure how Griffith Philipps m Mary John 1692 (father of Griffith Phillips MP married Elizabeth Ward and Lucretia Folkes) connects on to it. And I seem to have a lot of unlinked families in there (see my post about Putative Descent from Sir Thomas Philipps) Its all rather a muddle I am afraid :-(