Bob, "Stumped" is a very operative word when doing genealogy research. I have accumulated a great deal of documentation some of which I specifically verified on a trip to Rhode Island last summer. Through this paper documentation I determined relationship back to the same Michael Phillips, Rhode Island. I also reviewed the groupings in the Phillips Worldwide DNA Project, including Group 11, and decided I was part of that group. I have been in touch through email with others associated with that Group, sharing our paper trails. I recently received the results of my 25 marker DNA test and "POW" what a shock. Not only am I not a part of Group 11, but I have no DNA matches in the Phillips DNA Project. My Haplogroup is I1a, which leads back to some Scandinavian ancestery. According to the Phillips DNA Project Assistant Administrator, my ancestors may have come from England and descended from the Vikings when they raided the area during the Dark Ages. Boy, that's pretty bizarre. My understanding is that Michael Phillips emigrated from Sussex England. Anyway, now there are some descrepancies on who descended from Michael Phillips. At this point I can't positively claim that I can prove my relationship to Michael Phillips any more than anybody else. I'm attempting to locate a distant cousin through my known line to do the DNA test to see how that matches with mine. So the search continues. Good Luck, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Phillips" <bobphillips@wowway.com> To: <phillips@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [PHILLIPS] - My family line > Roger & everyone, > > I think a lot of us are "stumped" in our own way, with our own > proverbial "brick wall." Looking at those who are grouped in group 11, > only one member actually claims to trace their earliest known ancestor > to Michael Phillips of Rhode Island. As my Y-DNA places me in this > group, I have been trying to figure out how I might connect, and still > have been unable to push back past my g-g-grandfather, Jonathan Phillips > 1794-1868 of Hastings County, Ontario, Canada. According to the > earliest documentation I have, his discharge papers from the Glengarry > Light Infantry Fencibles in 1815, he was reportedly born "in or near > Cloverick, in or near Albany, New York." The only other reference is a > published obituary which includes a sketch of his experiences fighting > the American invasion of Canada; and states that he was born in Dutchess > County, New York, and moved to Canada with his family in 1809. > > Right now there are just over 200 members who have had their Y-DNA > tested and joined the group. We need more. I think we need a lot > more. And we need to be able to see how they connect a lot clearer than > we do now. I suspect that most of us have tried to do a straight line > descent trace, and not made notes on all the branches. But, it's all > those other branches that will help others to make a connection. Also, > just because one person in the group connects to a given early colonist > in the New World does not mean all other persons in the group will > connect at the same point. It is possible that Michael Phillips of > Rhode Island had a brother or a cousin who moved to the colonies at > another time. > > I have ordered the full 37 marker test. So far they have posted the 25 > marker results, and I am waiting for the full 37 marker results, > hopefully by the end of the month. Still, that will only get me to a > 90+% probability of direct relationship within a given number of > generations, perhaps 300 to 400 years. It's interesting, but it doesn't > nail anything down. > > In the meantime, I encourage everyone to continue to recruit more > Phillips to submit samples, and continue to dig out all the possible > roots and branches; especially those Phillips' out there who we know are > not related to us. > > Just my thoughts. > > Bob Phillips > Columbus, Ohio > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PHILLIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1260 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 > 9:44 AM > >