Chris, Thanks for your note. I have been enjoying your correspondence via these web pages for a year now. I have also downloaded and printed every piece of information you have labored to provide the list. So, before I go on I want to thank you and let you know that I bow to the feet of such a dedicated and generous nature such as yours. \ Father Reginald Phelan was not from Canada. He was born in Fall River, Mass to my uncle, Edward Maurice Phelan and Marie Louise Boyer maybe 1932. He went to Canada to study religion and was affiliated with a religious order there. Many years later he ended up in Florence, AZ then Tucson, AZ where he lived out his last years. He died in 1998. I will keep your note. Have not found any solid evidence for Canadian connections but I do have a lot of your research to use as reference. Thanks again every so much for your work. Carol Phelan Tucson, AZ

I copied this from another list. Afraid I don't know more than this but just passing it along in case someone else can use it. Glenda ONTARIO-L@rootsweb.com Marriages - Huron Co. - 1900 format: registration #, county, groom's name, age, occupation, birth place, residence, Bachelor or Widower, Religion, parents' names followed by bride's name, age, birth place, residence, Spinster or Widow, Religion, parents' names, then witnesses, date of marriage, Place of marriage NOTE: Abbreviated first names are as in the record. #008261/00, (Huron), Patrick Joseph KELLY, 27, farmer, Morris, Morris, B, R. Catholic, James KELLY & Ellen PHELAN, Margaret M. McQUAID, 27, Tuckersmith, Tuckersmith, S, R. Catholic, Michael McQUAID & Anne ROLAND, M. H. KELLY of Morris & Mary LAMB of Seaforth, 16 Jan 1900, Seaforth

You don't say where in Canada he was from. I have two priests in my Phelan line from Nova Scotia (North Sydney). Fr. David Samuel Phelan and Fr. David Vincent Phelan. The first is my gggg uncle and the second his cousin. Please elaborate further. Chris Doehring St. Louis, MO

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5413.htm There are 52 Phelans listed. St. Louis Marriages. Chris Doehring St. Louis

Chris, Are these Catholic marriages? I've been told many of the Phelans in St. Louis are Protestant, possibly indicating those Phelans from No. Ire.??? I'll post my family story again this weekend. It connects with St. Louis. Patricia Phelan Dailey

Hello Please reply to me in private to not violate the list rules. However, I wanted to contact members of the Phelan clan asking about Name variations from Ireland to USA in terms of pronounciation Galiec Sp? form to Englishized version for the name of MORRISEY. I have seen discussions on name variations on this list, but can't seem to find the private email addresses. A short recollections stated that the name used in America MARSEE was originally MORRISEY from Cork Co,Ireland. Just wondered if it was probable. Very Rarely have I found the Name Marsee spelled Marcy and beleive it was not pronounced that way either. The eariest corruption was MASSA. And I don't believe I have ever found it spelled Morsee. Your private reply would be appreciated. lonnie Lonnie Fink lonfink@dmrtc.net <http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html>

Looking for relatives of Father Reginald L. Phelan (born Edward M. Phelan) out of Fall River, Mass. He lived and studied in Canada. Lived worked and died in Arizona (1998).

No, definitely. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Rene' Phelan" <RPhelan1@compuserve.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: [Phelan] James Phelan > Hi, > Did great grandfather, James Phelan, native of Leix, Ireland > have a son, Thomas b. about 1802 in NYC? > I have an elusive Thomas who was in US early in 18oo's and > am trying to find his parents. > Thank you. Rene' RPhelan1@compuserve.com > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: There's no need to fear the wind if your haystacks are tied down > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I second that. I have a Thomas Phelan too and can't find him anywhere. Also have a Catherine and can't find her either. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tara Van Nostrand <tvannost@rider.edu> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: February 08, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phelan] James Phelan > I agree soooooo many James, Thomas, and Jeremiah names in my line. > > Kenneth Womack wrote: > > > Yeah, a lot of them Phelan boys had names like James, Thomas & Jeremiah. > > Oh, if they had only known how difficult it was going to be for the future > > generation to track them then they would have used names like Abijah - > > right?? Glenda > > > > > Are we talking about the same Senator James Phelan? The one I'm > > talking > > > about, James DuVal Phelan, mayor of San Francisco at the time of the great > > > earthquake, was born in 1861 and died in 1930. See > > > http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/phelanbio.html > > > I am not aware of any other Senator James Phelan. It seems quite > > > unlikely his father came to America in 1793. Yet the latter is a "fit" for > > > the person who was the brother of my great great grandfather, James > > Phelan, > > > because (a) 1793 is plausible and (b) he came from Co Laois (Queens) where > > > Phelans do come from but not with the abundance of Cork, Kilarney and > > > Waterford. > > > Correction -- I note a reference to a Senator James Phelan, > > Mississippi > > > Senator in first Confederate Congress, 1861-63]. See > > > http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1864/aldridge_letters.htm > > > Confusing to say the least. Any comments? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <DUMahin@aol.com> > > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Phelan] James Phelan > > > > > > > > > > Glenda: > > > > > > > > Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is > > > > probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date > > > because: > > > > (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been > > active > > > > during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth > > of > > > > his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years > > > > earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland > > > before > > > > l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have > > been > > > the > > > > child's great-grandfather. > > > > > > > > If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. > > Thanks > > > > for your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: A wild goose never reared a tame gosling. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. > > > > ============================== > > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Whats good for the goose is good for the gander > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

Thanks Glenda Rene'

I agree soooooo many James, Thomas, and Jeremiah names in my line. Kenneth Womack wrote: > Yeah, a lot of them Phelan boys had names like James, Thomas & Jeremiah. > Oh, if they had only known how difficult it was going to be for the future > generation to track them then they would have used names like Abijah - > right?? Glenda > > > Are we talking about the same Senator James Phelan? The one I'm > talking > > about, James DuVal Phelan, mayor of San Francisco at the time of the great > > earthquake, was born in 1861 and died in 1930. See > > http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/phelanbio.html > > I am not aware of any other Senator James Phelan. It seems quite > > unlikely his father came to America in 1793. Yet the latter is a "fit" for > > the person who was the brother of my great great grandfather, James > Phelan, > > because (a) 1793 is plausible and (b) he came from Co Laois (Queens) where > > Phelans do come from but not with the abundance of Cork, Kilarney and > > Waterford. > > Correction -- I note a reference to a Senator James Phelan, > Mississippi > > Senator in first Confederate Congress, 1861-63]. See > > http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1864/aldridge_letters.htm > > Confusing to say the least. Any comments? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <DUMahin@aol.com> > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phelan] James Phelan > > > > > > > Glenda: > > > > > > Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is > > > probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date > > because: > > > (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been > active > > > during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth > of > > > his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years > > > earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland > > before > > > l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have > been > > the > > > child's great-grandfather. > > > > > > If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. > Thanks > > > for your help. > > > > > > > > > Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: A wild goose never reared a tame gosling. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Yeah, a lot of them Phelan boys had names like James, Thomas & Jeremiah. Oh, if they had only known how difficult it was going to be for the future generation to track them then they would have used names like Abijah - right?? Glenda > Are we talking about the same Senator James Phelan? The one I'm talking > about, James DuVal Phelan, mayor of San Francisco at the time of the great > earthquake, was born in 1861 and died in 1930. See > http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/phelanbio.html > I am not aware of any other Senator James Phelan. It seems quite > unlikely his father came to America in 1793. Yet the latter is a "fit" for > the person who was the brother of my great great grandfather, James Phelan, > because (a) 1793 is plausible and (b) he came from Co Laois (Queens) where > Phelans do come from but not with the abundance of Cork, Kilarney and > Waterford. > Correction -- I note a reference to a Senator James Phelan, Mississippi > Senator in first Confederate Congress, 1861-63]. See > http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1864/aldridge_letters.htm > Confusing to say the least. Any comments? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DUMahin@aol.com> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Phelan] James Phelan > > > > Glenda: > > > > Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is > > probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date > because: > > (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been active > > during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth of > > his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years > > earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland > before > > l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have been > the > > child's great-grandfather. > > > > If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. Thanks > > for your help. > > > > > > Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > > > ============================== > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A wild goose never reared a tame gosling. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Are we talking about the same Senator James Phelan? The one I'm talking about, James DuVal Phelan, mayor of San Francisco at the time of the great earthquake, was born in 1861 and died in 1930. See http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/phelanbio.html I am not aware of any other Senator James Phelan. It seems quite unlikely his father came to America in 1793. Yet the latter is a "fit" for the person who was the brother of my great great grandfather, James Phelan, because (a) 1793 is plausible and (b) he came from Co Laois (Queens) where Phelans do come from but not with the abundance of Cork, Kilarney and Waterford. Correction -- I note a reference to a Senator James Phelan, Mississippi Senator in first Confederate Congress, 1861-63]. See http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1864/aldridge_letters.htm Confusing to say the least. Any comments? ----- Original Message ----- From: <DUMahin@aol.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phelan] James Phelan > Glenda: > > Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is > probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date because: > (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been active > during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth of > his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years > earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland before > l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have been the > child's great-grandfather. > > If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. Thanks > for your help. > > > Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

No, I agree with you. I, and I think the list, would be interested in his comments regarding the Civil War if you wouldn't mind sharing it with us. Thanks, Glenda > Glenda: > > Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is > probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date because: > (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been active > during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth of > his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years > earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland before > l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have been the > child's great-grandfather. > > If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. Thanks > for your help. > > > Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

Rene, all I know is what was in the article and it didn't mention any other children of John Phelan except the one son James. BUT this Phelan line has the antebellum home in Memphis called the Hunt Phelan Home in which at one time Grant set up his office when occupying Memphis. Because of the historic value of this family and home in Memphis, it may be possible for me to find out more in the Memphis library. I'll check on that in the next couple of weeks and let the list know. Glenda Did great grandfather, James Phelan, native of Leix, Ireland > have a son, Thomas b. about 1802 in NYC? > I have an elusive Thomas who was in US early in 18oo's and > am trying to find his parents. > Thank you. Rene' RPhelan1@compuserve.com

Looking for family information on this Phelan family Thomas Phelan & Julia (Vail) Phelan m. about 1830 NYC Children Anna (Hannah) m. William H White Edward m. Jennie E. Preston Thomas W. m. Margaret A. John m. Margaret E. Laramee Walter m. Laura Udell Wood Would appreciate any info about this familly. They were living in Brooklyn, NY in the 1870's. Rene' Phelan

Hi, Did great grandfather, James Phelan, native of Leix, Ireland have a son, Thomas b. about 1802 in NYC? I have an elusive Thomas who was in US early in 18oo's and am trying to find his parents. Thank you. Rene' RPhelan1@compuserve.com

Glenda: Since the Irish immigrant, John Phelan, came to America in 1793, it is probable that his son Senator James Phelan was born after that date because: (1) if born before l793 James would have been too old to have been active during the Civil War and an active lawyer after the war; (2) the birth of his grandson in l883 suggests that the senator was born 50 or 60 years earlier in the 1820s or l830s. If the senator had been born in Ireland before l793, he would have been at least 80 in 1783 and would probably have been the child's great-grandfather. If you have any comments on these conclusions, please let me know. Thanks for your help. Dean B. Mahin DUMahin@aol.com

I've placed a photo of my Phalen (Phelan) ancestors at http://www.novelpeople.com/phalen/phalen.jpg This photo (retouched) shows three generations of my ancestors. Left to right they are: L)- Andrew J. Phalen II (b) 1846 M)- Andrew J. Phalen I who reportedly sailed from Greenock, Scotland in 1809. R)- John Henry Phalen, son of Andrew II and grandson of Andrew I. Andrew J. Phalen (I) left Sydney, Nova Scotia and went to St. Louis, Missouri. There he met and married Elizabeth Vinkheimer in 1840. By 1848, the couple were residents of present day Putnam County, West Virginia. I am descended from John Henry Phalen. I know nothing of Andrew J. Phalen's (I) siblings but his parents names are reported to be William and Margaret Phalen. Julie McGrew-Ayres mztek@mindspring.com

Sorry but don't know much more. Evidently this John came over in 1793. He was married to Priscilla Oakes Ford of Boston. Somewhere I've got some ship records showing some Phelans coming over in early 1800s. Right now I'm going through all my Phelan records as I'm putting them on FTM (my wonderful, sweet hubby accidently deleted my whole FTM files) AGAIN!!! so will let the list know when I run across them again. When I first started the list many, many moons ago, I put just about all the info I had on the list. You might want to check the Phelan archives and reread some of those e-mails. Chris in Sacromento might be able to help you on the James D. Phelan line. I don't believe it's her line but being from that area she might have seen some research on him. Good luck. Glenda > This sounds very interesting! Can you tell me more about this person - James > or John from Co Queens? My family came from there and my great-great > grandfather James Phelan may have been the person in question or his > brother. He was one of two brothers who came over in the early 1800s. We > have a clear picture of his descendents, but not of the brother. My family > has been trying to find a link with the James D. Phelan, who was the famous > mayor of San Francisco in the early 1900s, and who definitely came from Co. > Queens. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:11 PM > Subject: [Phelan] James Phelan > > > > Sorry but just read my message and realized I made a mistake. The Phelan > that came to US from Queens Co., Ireland was named JOHN Phelan not James. > James was his son, the senator. Gl;enda (Phelan listmanager) > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: The older the fiddle, the sweeter the tune > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Firelight will not let you read fine stories but it's warm and you won't see the dust on the floor. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >