In a message dated 2/11/01 9:16:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, ken-womack@worldnet.att.net writes: Just a small note on a couple of these. Jeremiah, listed as from Plato, is from Plato Center in Kane County. John, listed as from Centre is supposed to be from Plato Center also. > PHelan, Andrew L 2 ART Chicago > Phelan, Daniel E 48 INF Hillsboro > Phelan, Gideon G. E 18 Inf Clear Creek > Phelan, James A. G 71 INF Petersburg > Phelan, James W. B 11 INF Marshall Co. > Phelan, Jeremiah K10 Cav Con (no county shown) > Phelan, Jeremiah K 15 Cav Plato > Phelan, John B5 Regt Vol Chicago > Phelan, John K 57 Inf Centre > Phelan, Mark F25 INF (no county shown) > Phelan, Martin C 144 Inf (no county shown) > Phelan, William K 72 Inf Chicago > > >

I would imagine you'll find that Phelans here were both Catholic and Protestant in St. Louis. Mine were Catholic and some show up in the records. These records are from the the license books in City Hall. You would have had to apply for a license to get married (though I do have one set of gparents who were married here in St. Louis and yet no license-haven't figured that one out yet). If you do find someone there you can submit for the license and application. Application will include typically parents, address, pastor or official who married them. In one case of another set of grandparents, I have a copy of the letter where my greatgreat grandmother Werner signed for her son to get married at 18 years of age. What you get will depend on when the application was applied for. If anyone wants to follow up on any of these marriages e-mail me and I'll did the info on City Hall out for you. Chris

Can't help, but that seems to be the norm for me. I posted about 21/2 years ago still have no info on my James J Phelan b. 187755 Ireland,or any siblings.. He is son of Daniel Phelan & Margaret Heffernan. James . M. Elizabeth McCoy, daughter of Thomas McCoy & Anna Casey

PHelan, Andrew L 2 ART Chicago Phelan, Daniel E 48 INF Hillsboro Phelan, Gideon G. E 18 Inf Clear Creek Phelan, James A. G 71 INF Petersburg Phelan, James W. B 11 INF Marshall Co. Phelan, Jeremiah K10 Cav Con (no county shown) Phelan, Jeremiah K 15 Cav Plato Phelan, John B5 Regt Vol Chicago Phelan, John K 57 Inf Centre Phelan, Mark F25 INF (no county shown) Phelan, Martin C 144 Inf (no county shown) Phelan, William K 72 Inf Chicago

I am searching for info on Patrick Phelan, b about 1854 in Ireland, father Richard Phelan, mother Elizabeth. He was married in Cambridge, MA to Elizabeth O'Hara in 1877. They had 3 sons that I know of, Thomas, 1878, Patrick, 1880 and Richard, 1886. Patrick and Elizabeth separated in 1890 and he remarried about 1894 to Mary Ann Walsh. They lived in Wrentham and Franklin, MA. His son Richard also turned up in Franklin living his life out here. I am looking for info on siblings of Patrick and what became of his sons Thomas and Patrick. Thanks, Donna Guglielmi Franklin, MA Donna184@ncounty.net

Glenda, thanks for Civil War records idea. Don't know where he was before 1866 when he married. I'm curious about the Phelan killed on the RR tracks! Thanks, Pat

I don't have any ideas but would love to see what you find! Carol Phelan

I can't think of any except perhaps mortuary records. I'm a subscriber to that county list anyway sooooooooooo I'll put a question out about any kind of record like that. I guess in 1903 they'd have death certificates but without a first name I don't know how successful we'd be. But it's got my curiousity up so I'll delve around and see what turns up. Anybody else have any ideas?? Glenda > IS there a way to get any other information on this man? Jann Whalen Parks > > > > I haven't posted this info in quite awhile. Since we've had a lot of new > memebers since then, I thought I'd post it again. > > > > > > Clay Co Courier published in Corning, AR > > November 13, 1903 > > > > A white man by the name of PHELAN was found in a dying condition beside > the railroad track near Garner. It is alleged that he was riding in a box > car and a brakeman discovered him and beat him badly with knucks and threw > him off the train. He was a railroad man and had a $l,000 life insurance > policy in his pocket. > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: Whats good for the goose is good for the gander > > > > ============================== > > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Whats good for the goose is good for the gander > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

IS there a way to get any other information on this man? Jann Whalen Parks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: [Phelan] 1903 death of ?? > I haven't posted this info in quite awhile. Since we've had a lot of new memebers since then, I thought I'd post it again. > > > Clay Co Courier published in Corning, AR > November 13, 1903 > > A white man by the name of PHELAN was found in a dying condition beside the railroad track near Garner. It is alleged that he was riding in a box car and a brakeman discovered him and beat him badly with knucks and threw him off the train. He was a railroad man and had a $l,000 life insurance policy in his pocket. > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Whats good for the goose is good for the gander > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I haven't posted this info in quite awhile. Since we've had a lot of new memebers since then, I thought I'd post it again. Clay Co Courier published in Corning, AR November 13, 1903 A white man by the name of PHELAN was found in a dying condition beside the railroad track near Garner. It is alleged that he was riding in a box car and a brakeman discovered him and beat him badly with knucks and threw him off the train. He was a railroad man and had a $l,000 life insurance policy in his pocket.

I subscribed to the Phelan web site looking for my g.g. uncle John Whalen. He came from County Waterford in the late 1850s. probably. His parents were John Whalen and Mary Powers. His brother Martin Whalen is my g grandfather. Martin married Ellen Powers. Martin may have come into the U.S. from Canada. Martin settled in N.Y.S. in a little hamlet called Pearl Creek,in Covington Town, Wyoming county. John supposedly settled in Perry N.C. but I have not been able to find any Whalen's there other than a Barney Whalen and I can't get his mailing address. If any one can be help I would really appreciate it. Jann Whalen Parks

The following is for sale at http://www.abebooks.com/ . Just put name PHELAN in the quick Search area and it will come up. Glenda Kaucher,Dorothy James Duval Phelan, A Portrait 1861-1930 Saratoga,CA: Gallery Committee of the Montalvo Association, 1965 Signed.VG in wraps,8vo,unpaginated. Bookseller Inventory # 10729 Price: US$ 15.00 convert currency Presented by Bay Books 2, Concord, CA, U.S.A.

I am looking for any Phalen family that lived in Jackson, Ohio, Licking Co. and Jackson Co. listed in the 1900 Census. The father was William Phalen- wife Catharine"Kate" Gilliland. Thanks, Judy Phalen Wilson

I'm glad there is good activity again on this list. Thanks to you Glenda!! I'll put my story out there again, although I haven't time to do much genealogy work until March. I appreciate the connections I've made with a few good prospects and with a much younger cousin I haven't seen since she was very little!! Such fun!! 1) I want to locate homes in Ireland. 2) I'm especailly curious that our family story is about these eight brothers, and that I've never found any other Phelan searching with a similar story. Odd. And 3), there must be some trace of "Frank who went west and was never heard from again." I strongly suspect his name was Francis. Story: My family's oral tradition is that eight Phelan brothers came to US during the Irish famine c.1848-50 by ship probably through Canada. They got to St. Louis, MO, and split up to make their own ways. Didn't stay in contact with each other. My g-gf was JOHN PHELAN. He married KATE MCGRATH (m13JAN1866) at St. Lawrence Chruch in Quincy, IL, lived in Keokuk, Iowa, and drowned (d. 27JUN1877) in a fishing accident on the Mississippi at age 40. We found his grave in Keokuk last October/00. The eldest of John Phelan's sons was Frank [b.3 MAR 1868]. He "went west" and they didn't keep in contact. My grandfather was LAWRENCE PHELAN [b. 6 DEC 1869}. Other children were Elizabeth (Lizzie) [b. 1 Dec 1871 -buried in Fort Madison IA]; Mary (Mayme) [b. 16 Dec1873 -buried with father in Keokuk, IA]; and Robert [b. 5 Feb 1877] who served in the Spanish-American War. Kate was left to raise these children alone. My grandfather, Lawrence, married CATHRINE BANNON in 1897 in String Prairie, IA, and they had nine children. My father, JOHN FRANCIS PHELAN, was #5 in this family. I, Patricia Ann, am the eldest of four in the next generation. I grew up in Fort Madison, IA. We also found some records and the graves of several of the BANNONs and MCGRATHs including my maternal ggparents, same cemetary in Keokuk IA. Big happy suprise for us, but that's another story. Their large cemetery stone says they were from Queens Co. Ire. Patricia Phelan Dailey searching PHELAN, MCGRATH, BANNON, BYRNE

Patricia, I was in a hurry and, after sending the following message, realized that (in the first sentence) I meant to say Irish Protestants NOT Protestant Catholics! Sorry! Donna > Hello Patricia, > > What I am trying to say is that you cannot rely on the Irish Catholics > being from Eire and the Protestant Catholics from Northern Ireland. My > g-grandfather lived in Newburgh, Ontario, Canada until his death in 1899 > and was Protestant from the time he arrived there around 1857 at about age > twenty-four. Therefore, I naturally assumed that he was from Northern > Ireland and wasted over a year researching ONLY that possibility. But, > after researching and reading many books on Irish history and immigration > at the local LDS Family History Centre here in Lethbridge, Alberta, then > researching the Queen's University Archives, the Anglican Diocese > Archives, making a trip to Newburgh, Ontario (which had a large Irish > population in the mid-1800's) and searching records at the County museum > in that area, speaking with a local historian there who has extensively > researched the Catholic "Phelans" who settled in Ontario, and then finding > that the record of my gg-grandfather's parents marriage was from a > Catholic parish in Kilkenny City, I soon found out that one cannot make > those type of blanket assumptions. My father had heard "rumblings" that > our family was Catholic prior to living in Canada but we could never prove > it until I started researching the family history. Hope this helps! > > Pat Dailey wrote: > > > Donna, > > > > I've never heard about Irish immigrants changing religions before. > > Thanks for the insight. Could you give me some references for this > > perhaps? > > > > I got my idea from a couple old storytellers in Sligo in the summer of > > 99. And also from a relative, Fr. Wm B. Faherty, S.J. who lives in St. > > Louis and has done Irish research there. > > > > I'm curious to know more about this. > > > > Thanks, > > Patricia Phelan Dailey > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. > > > > ============================== > > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: As the old cock crows, the young cock learns. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Hello Patricia, What I am trying to say is that you cannot rely on the Irish Catholics being from Eire and the Protestant Catholics from Northern Ireland. My g-grandfather lived in Newburgh, Ontario, Canada until his death in 1899 and was Protestant from the time he arrived there around 1857 at about age twenty-four. Therefore, I naturally assumed that he was from Northern Ireland and wasted over a year researching ONLY that possibility. But, after researching and reading many books on Irish history and immigration at the local LDS Family History Centre here in Lethbridge, Alberta, then researching the Queen's University Archives, the Anglican Diocese Archives, making a trip to Newburgh, Ontario (which had a large Irish population in the mid-1800's) and searching records at the County museum in that area, speaking with a local historian there who has extensively researched the Catholic "Phelans" who settled in Ontario, and then finding that the record of my gg-grandfather's parents marriage was from a Catholic parish in Kilkenny City, I soon found out that one cannot make those type of blanket assumptions. My father had heard "rumblings" that our family was Catholic prior to living in Canada but we could never prove it until I started researching the family history. Hope this helps! Pat Dailey wrote: > Donna, > > I've never heard about Irish immigrants changing religions before. > Thanks for the insight. Could you give me some references for this > perhaps? > > I got my idea from a couple old storytellers in Sligo in the summer of > 99. And also from a relative, Fr. Wm B. Faherty, S.J. who lives in St. > Louis and has done Irish research there. > > I'm curious to know more about this. > > Thanks, > Patricia Phelan Dailey > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. > > ============================== > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/

Donna, Thanks for your helpful information. We think our Phelans entered the US through Canada but have never established that fact. Perhaps some investigation into Canadian records might help? Patricia

Patricia, Your comment about some "Phelan's" being from Northern Ireland because they were Protestant caught my attention. When I started researching my Phalen/Phelan roots about five years ago, I mistakenly thought the same thing. However, after extensive research, I have come to realize that particular assumption is totally wrong. It ended up that my Phelan's originated in Kilkenny City (from a Catholic Parish) but were Protestant after moving to Canada. Because of the tremendous religious turmoil, many Irish families changed their religion after emmigrating to other countries. This important information must be seriously taken into consideration when researching one's Irish roots. Donna (Phalen) Lien ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris, Are these Catholic marriages? I've been told many of the Phelans in St. Louis are Protestant, possibly indicating those Phelans from No. Ire.??? I'll post my family story again this weekend. It connects with St. Louis. Patricia Phelan Dailey

Donna, I've never heard about Irish immigrants changing religions before. Thanks for the insight. Could you give me some references for this perhaps? I got my idea from a couple old storytellers in Sligo in the summer of 99. And also from a relative, Fr. Wm B. Faherty, S.J. who lives in St. Louis and has done Irish research there. I'm curious to know more about this. Thanks, Patricia Phelan Dailey

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