Glenda, Boy, did I make a mistake. There are 2509 Whelan's in Griffith's; 5 Wheelan's, 3 Whealan's and 2 Welan's. More Whelan's than Phelan's I went to our county library today and found (just as I was leaving, of course) a published genealogy on a Phelan family.The first page gives Patrick PHELAN, b. m. and d. in Ireland. Married Mary LOUGLHIN, also b. and d. Ireland. Their children were: i. Edmund (mine!?!?) ii.Michael, iii. Cornelius bap. 1810 in Ireland, iv. Ellen bap. 1812, v. Thomas bap. 1814, vi.Elizabeth, bap. 1816, vii. Nil, bap. 1818, viii. Mary, bap. 1820, ix. Margaret, bap. 1823, and x. Pierce, bap. 1825 = all in Ireland. The author states that Cornelius is the only known ancestor to immigrate to the U.S., but an Edmund Phelan was in NC in 1790. Nothing was known of the two first-born children, but there is much on Cornelius' descendants. A letter to the author written in 1919 states "the oldest son in the family was Edmund and Cornelius was the third." "This family lived at Mullinhone, Co. Tipperary, Ireland. The town is situated in the Barony of Slivardagh and is in the civil parish of Modeshil, the Union of Callan and ecclesiastically, in the Catholic parish of Mullinahone, the Diocese of Cashel." The eight bapitsims were registered there. "A 1828 Parish Tithe Book lists a Michael Phelan, son of Patrick Phelan." Perhaps Michael and Edmund were by a first marriage and in another county or town? Or maybe Patrick and Mary were living in another area when the first two children were born. Apparently Cornelius ended up in St. Louis. He m. Mary Frances MAHER 2 Mar 1840 in Callan, Ire. Thier children: i. Mary Ann b. 1841 in Ireland, ii. Thomas A. b. 1845 in St. Louis, iii. Ellen b. c1845 St. Louis, iv. John b. c1847 St. Louis, v. William b.1848 St. Louis, vi. Margaret b. c1849 St. Louis , vii. Michael Joseph b. c1856 St. Louis, viii. James P. b. c1856 St. Louis, ix. John Francis b.1859 St. Louis, x. Edward C. b. 1862 St. Louis. For those who might like to try to find this book: Phelan, Malone, Kevill, Stutz & Klaes Fimilies by John T. Phelan. Gateway Press, Inc. Baltimore, 1985. Copyright John T. Phelan, 6312 24th Stree North, Arlington, VA 22207. Gateway Press, Inc.1101 N. Calvert Street, Baltimore, MC 21202. All for now, Brenda

Hi, Phelan Cousins - I have over 400 descendants of David Phelan and Susan Hardee. He was b. 1797 in Pitt County, NC and d. 1862 in Gibson County, Tenn. Most of the descendants are from Gibson County. David's brother was Thomas Phelan. Thomas was living in Monroe County, Tenn. in 1830. I don't know if he went to Gibson County or not. I do not have any of Thomas' descendants. I would love to add them, if anyone has info. I would be glad to check my data base for names if any of you are interested. Again, the ones I have go back to Tennessee, although many of the more recent ones moved out of state (of course) - with all of our mobility now. Brenda

Dear Glenda, Faoláin is not an unusual spelling of Phelan at all. In fact it was the original spelling of the name in Ireland. I went to an Irish Special Interest Group meeting of our local genealogical society last night... 40 present. One of the web sites mentioned was Ireland.com/ancestor/surname. It gives the number of households in each county in Ireland with the surname search - from Griffith's Valuation (1848-1864). For Phelan, there were 469 in Kilkenny, 254 in Laois, 234 in Waterford, and 158 in Tipperary. The other counties had fewer than 15. The site also gives a history of the surname, the coat of arms and other info. Glenda, your Whelan name history is given with the Phelan, too. Apparently there were only three Whelans listed in Griffith's. Did you mention the web site "theshipslist.com" a couple of weeks ago? It's a good one, too. My problem is that my earliest Phelan was already here in 1790, so none of these are much help. The surname population is a possible resource... Brenda

Is there anyone out there doing a search for PHALEN in Ohio? I have a Thomas married to Katherine BROWN. I don't have my notes handy but thought I would oblige Glenda and send in an area. Hope to hear from a relative!! Cathy gochiefs1@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Womack To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: [Phelan] Let's generate some activity on the list Anyone have any ideas on how to get the activity up on the list? The more we communicate, the more likely we are to connect to someone. As I said a few messages back, we have several new subscribers on the list and I encourage them to post a query to the list giving us their earliest known ancestor, time frame, location, etc. Also, the "old" (sorry) subscribers might want to take this opportunity to let us know what ancestor they're having the most difficulty with. For me, I'd like to know what happened to Evans Phelan, son of Thomas and Mary (Evans) Phelan. He sold land in Bledsoe Co., TN in 1829 and he disappeared. I believe his son to be my ggf James Monroe Phelan born 1824 in Bledsoe Co but since courthouse burned 99% of records lost. I've tried looking in surrounding counties but so far no luck. James Monroe Phelan's siblings were: Berryman Shepherd (resided in MO); Gideon Grant (served in Civil War and lived in Union Co., IL during the 1840-1860 time frame; Francis Marion (supposedly lived in Oregon in 1844); Jeremiah , Epsy Phelan Caraker, Rebecca Phelan Jones and Dicey B. Phelan Corzine all lived in Union Co., IL. I've made contact with Berryman Shepherd and Gideon Grant's descendants but no luck with the other 5 siblings. I have records of all siblings, including spouses, children, etc except for Francis Marion. Any help appreciated. Glenda (listmanager) ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== Irish Proverb: An old broom knows the dirty corners best. ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I am always looking for John Whalen son of John Whalen and Mary Powers, brother of Martin Whalen They are from o County Waterford Ireland,John was supposed to have lived in Perry , Gaston county,N.C. Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: [Phelan] Let's generate some activity on the list > Anyone have any ideas on how to get the activity up on the list? The more we communicate, the more likely we are to connect to someone. As I said a few messages back, we have several new subscribers on the list and I encourage them to post a query to the list giving us their earliest known ancestor, time frame, location, etc. > > Also, the "old" (sorry) subscribers might want to take this opportunity to let us know what ancestor they're having the most difficulty with. > > For me, I'd like to know what happened to Evans Phelan, son of Thomas and Mary (Evans) Phelan. He sold land in Bledsoe Co., TN in 1829 and he disappeared. I believe his son to be my ggf James Monroe Phelan born 1824 in Bledsoe Co but since courthouse burned 99% of records lost. I've tried looking in surrounding counties but so far no luck. > > James Monroe Phelan's siblings were: Berryman Shepherd (resided in MO); Gideon Grant (served in Civil War and lived in Union Co., IL during the 1840-1860 time frame; > Francis Marion (supposedly lived in Oregon in 1844); Jeremiah , Epsy Phelan Caraker, Rebecca Phelan Jones and Dicey B. Phelan Corzine all lived in Union Co., IL. > > I've made contact with Berryman Shepherd and Gideon Grant's descendants but no luck with the other 5 siblings. I have records of all siblings, including spouses, children, etc except for Francis Marion. > > Any help appreciated. Glenda (listmanager) > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: An old broom knows the dirty corners best. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

> Parish of Cullen > FORTY ACRES > > Michael Breen > David Whelan

> Parish of Cullen > > GORTAKILLEEN > > Anne Rafferty > Thomas Real > Thomas Real, Jr. > Edmond Murphy > Patrick Rafferty 2 > > GORTNABARNAN > > Timothy Ryan, Sr. > Bridget Dwyer > Edmond Dwyer > Patrick Dwyer > John Dwyer > Jeremiah Dwyer > Mary English > Timothy Ryan, Jr. > Timothy Ryan, Sr. > > ILLAUNMEEN > > Alice Keating > John Keating > Timothy Ryan > John Ryan > Timothy Kiely (Thomas) > Thomas Kiely > Timothy Keily (Patrick) [They switched the e and i here] > Francis Cussen > Timothy Hanly > > LONGSTONE > > Denis Ryan > James McNamara > Mary WHELAN > Hannah Batters > Thomas Batters > Michael McCarthy > Michael Kirby > John Batters > Michael Burns > Daniel Burns > Michael Caplice 2 > Philip Lonergan >

Anyone have any ideas on how to get the activity up on the list? The more we communicate, the more likely we are to connect to someone. As I said a few messages back, we have several new subscribers on the list and I encourage them to post a query to the list giving us their earliest known ancestor, time frame, location, etc. Also, the "old" (sorry) subscribers might want to take this opportunity to let us know what ancestor they're having the most difficulty with. For me, I'd like to know what happened to Evans Phelan, son of Thomas and Mary (Evans) Phelan. He sold land in Bledsoe Co., TN in 1829 and he disappeared. I believe his son to be my ggf James Monroe Phelan born 1824 in Bledsoe Co but since courthouse burned 99% of records lost. I've tried looking in surrounding counties but so far no luck. James Monroe Phelan's siblings were: Berryman Shepherd (resided in MO); Gideon Grant (served in Civil War and lived in Union Co., IL during the 1840-1860 time frame; Francis Marion (supposedly lived in Oregon in 1844); Jeremiah , Epsy Phelan Caraker, Rebecca Phelan Jones and Dicey B. Phelan Corzine all lived in Union Co., IL. I've made contact with Berryman Shepherd and Gideon Grant's descendants but no luck with the other 5 siblings. I have records of all siblings, including spouses, children, etc except for Francis Marion. Any help appreciated. Glenda (listmanager)

Glenda, Jann, and all... Go to www.askjeeves.com and type in Griffith's Valuation of Ireland. You'll find more info than you'll ever need. Fascinating. Jeeves knows everything it seems. Pat Kenneth Womack wrote: > Sorry, Jann, but I don't know. From reading all of the advertisement for > this book it appears to be all of Ireland but don't take that as gospel. > Maybe someone else on the list might know. > > I haven't got my Phelan back far enough to even try to look in Ireland so > research there is "foreign" to me!! Glenda > > > What part of Ireland is this.The Northern or Southern? Jann Whalen Parks > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A trout in the pot is better than a salmon in the sea. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Sorry, Jann, but I don't know. From reading all of the advertisement for this book it appears to be all of Ireland but don't take that as gospel. Maybe someone else on the list might know. I haven't got my Phelan back far enough to even try to look in Ireland so research there is "foreign" to me!! Glenda > What part of Ireland is this.The Northern or Southern? Jann Whalen Parks

I took this from the Paulin mailing list. It showed some variant spellings of Pauling which included Phelan and Phalen. I'll add these to my list in the future to check I thought the most unusual one I'd ever run across was Faolain now I'm not so sure. Glenda > Source: PAULIN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > I'm Janet Paulin, a 22 year old Filipino. Yes, I live in the Philippines > and come from spanish, french, chinese, and Filipino ancestors and I have no > idea where exactly I got my family name. I even thought that Paulin could > be a fusion of two chinese names: Pao and Lin. That's one of my family's > theories though. If there is anyone out there who knows the origin of the > name Paulin and has an idea where it spread, I'd really appreciate a word > from you. Thanks! > > > > > Hi Janet, > Your last name is rather illusive at this point as there were so many > variants of the name, which were: PALIN | PALM | PAOLINO | PAULIN | PAULLIN > | PELHAM | PHALEN | PHELAN | POLEN | POULIN | PULLEN | PULLIAM | PULLIN | > But the closet I can come on my searches is Oxfordshire, England, as an > origin. There were also Paullin in France, which is where I suspect your > name came from due to the French occupation of your islands. Sorry I > couldn't be more exacting for you. > Fred

What part of Ireland is this.The Northern or Southern? Jann Whalen Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [Phelan] Griffith's Valuation of Ireland > > > Griffith's Valuation of Ireland took place between 1848 - 1864. > > Regards, Brian Phelan > > Thanks, Brian. Funny how things like this happen but in today's mail I got > a pamplet from Genealogical Publishing Co www.genealogical.com showing some > books for sale and Griffith's Valuation of Ireland happened to be one of > them so I'm sending the info to the list in case anyone wants to order it. > > "Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland with an inventory of the > Books of the General Valuation of Rateable Property in Ireland" by James R. > Reilly. > > In 1825 geologist Richard Griffith was chosen to be Ireland's Boundary > Surveyor. His appointment coincided with the government's determination to > achieve a uniform system of land measuring and valuing for the purpose of > eliminating various inequities in levying the 2 main forms of location > taxation.....etc, etc. > > The contents of his valuations can be said to be divided into 2 parts. The > first half treats the history and method used by Griffith in producing the > valuation..........Facsimile illustrations of maps, memoirs, and other > documents abound here. > > Although this is not a census, it provides the following info for each > tenement in each townland: names of townland & occupiers; names of > immediate lessors; description of tenement, acreage, valuation of land and > building; and reference to the correspond maps in the first half. > .............. > > The cost of the book is $21.95. > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: The old pipe gives the sweetest smoke. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Griffith's Valuation of Ireland took place between 1848 - 1864. Regards, Brian Phelan

> Griffith's Valuation of Ireland took place between 1848 - 1864. > Regards, Brian Phelan Thanks, Brian. Funny how things like this happen but in today's mail I got a pamplet from Genealogical Publishing Co www.genealogical.com showing some books for sale and Griffith's Valuation of Ireland happened to be one of them so I'm sending the info to the list in case anyone wants to order it. "Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland with an inventory of the Books of the General Valuation of Rateable Property in Ireland" by James R. Reilly. In 1825 geologist Richard Griffith was chosen to be Ireland's Boundary Surveyor. His appointment coincided with the government's determination to achieve a uniform system of land measuring and valuing for the purpose of eliminating various inequities in levying the 2 main forms of location taxation.....etc, etc. The contents of his valuations can be said to be divided into 2 parts. The first half treats the history and method used by Griffith in producing the valuation..........Facsimile illustrations of maps, memoirs, and other documents abound here. Although this is not a census, it provides the following info for each tenement in each townland: names of townland & occupiers; names of immediate lessors; description of tenement, acreage, valuation of land and building; and reference to the correspond maps in the first half. .............. The cost of the book is $21.95.

Hi,the info. you needed is George E. Phelan married Mary E Rhodes on May 26,1898 in Carroll,Mo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: [Phelan] Maryland Marriage > Ancestry.com has the following research material that contains one record of a PHELAN marriage. BUT I'm not a member so can't get to it. If anyone on the list is an Ancestry.com member will you please log in to the following website and give us the information shown. Thanks, Glenda > > MARYLAND MARRIAGES, 1667-1899 > (Update adding Worcester, Caroline, and Anne Arundel Counties) > > Maryland, which borders Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and > Delaware, was one of the earliest states established in the United > States. This database of Maryland marriage records previously > contained only marriage records for Harford, Kent, Allegany, Carroll, > Frederick, Montgomery, Prince George's, Washington, Cecil, Somerset, > Queen Anne's, and Talbot counties. It has just been updated to > include records for Worcester, Caroline, and Anne Arundel counties. > Researchers will find the names of the bride and groom, the marriage > date, and the marriage place. > > Source Information: Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp. "Maryland > Marriages, 1667-1899." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, > 2000-. Original data: See the extended description at the URL below > for original data sources listed by county. > > To search this database, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4729.htm > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one swig. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

> Ken, I missed your reference to the years which the Griffith's data relates > to? My copy of the two e-mails didn't mention a date and I didn't get the original since it didn't contain the surname of Whelan or Phelan. BUT I wrote to that mailing list asking for the date and if I hear back I'll let you know. Thanks, Glenda

Ken, I missed your reference to the years which the Griffith's data relates to?

More info taken from the Tipperary Co Mailing list. Passing it along FYI only. Glenda CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Griffiths data > > > Parish of Bruis > > RATHKEA > > John Woods 2 > Margaret Barry > John Walsh > Redmond Walsh > Margaret Clanchy > John Murphy > Thomas Cormack > Judith Walsh > Henry C. Bowen, Esq. 5 > John Ryan > William Connell > James Cosgriff > James WHELAN > Edmond Flinn > Margaret Flinn > Thomas Mulcahy > John Flinn > Honoria Cleary > Mary Croagh > Ricjard Fleming > James Lahy (Tom) > James Lahy (John) > Edmond Burke, Sr. > William Burke, Sr. > Edmond Burke (William) > William Burke, Jr. > James Kenny > Philip Heffernan > Edmond kenny > Patrick Kiely > Edmond Donohoe > John Heeran > Timothy Carroll > John O'Brien > Mary Carroll > > SHRONELL > > James Burke > Edmond Burke > William Molony > Catherine Luby > James Luby 2 > William Luby > William Condon > Anthony Maher > >

More info taken from the Tipperary Co Mailing list. Passing it along FYI only. Glenda CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Griffiths data > > > Parish of Bruis > > RATHKEA > > John Woods 2 > Margaret Barry > John Walsh > Redmond Walsh > Margaret Clanchy > John Murphy > Thomas Cormack > Judith Walsh > Henry C. Bowen, Esq. 5 > John Ryan > William Connell > James Cosgriff > James WHELAN > Edmond Flinn > Margaret Flinn > Thomas Mulcahy > John Flinn > Honoria Cleary > Mary Croagh > Ricjard Fleming > James Lahy (Tom) > James Lahy (John) > Edmond Burke, Sr. > William Burke, Sr. > Edmond Burke (William) > William Burke, Jr. > James Kenny > Philip Heffernan > Edmond kenny > Patrick Kiely > Edmond Donohoe > John Heeran > Timothy Carroll > John O'Brien > Mary Carroll > > SHRONELL > > James Burke > Edmond Burke > William Molony > Catherine Luby > James Luby 2 > William Luby > William Condon > Anthony Maher > >

I don't know if this will help anyone but I took it from the CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Just passing it on FYI only. Glenda Subject: Griffiths data Parish of GLENBANE George J. O'Connell, Esq 4 Edmond Foley Christopher Russell 3 Patrick Quirk Michael Heffernan Mary O'Brien Michael Breen Thomas Burns Michael Mara Hugh Hogan Judith Hogan John Hogan Williamm Humphries 3 William Heffernan John Heffernan Cornelius O'Brien, Sr. 2 Eleanor Fahy Patrick O'Brien Henry Fleming Judith Birrane Catherine Maher Johanna Carroll Thomas O'brien John Hayes John O'Brien Michael Croagh 2 James Burns James Glasheen John Burns 2 Timothy Fitzgerald Mary WHELAN Timothy Bigly James Fleming Eleanor Barron Roger Hogan To be cont'd