My Phelans all came from Waterford, thru Nova Scotia. Any canadian Phelans out there who know they were related to either Father David Vincent Phalen or Father David Samuel Phelan, both of North Sydney, Nova Scotia? Fr. Phalen was the editor of the Antigonish Casket (F. Xavier University's paper at the turn ot the century) and Fr. Phelan was the editor and co-owner of "The Western Watchman" one of the longest running Catholic newspapers in America (located in St. Louis) at the turn of the century. Chris Doehring St. Louis, MO

Chris, I think my Phelans also came through Canada, then to St Louis. (oral history) We've talked about this before. My question, to anyone really, is how to do research on entries into Canada, ships lists there, connecting with the big center for immigrants that is in Canada at the site where the flood of Irish came into country. What is the name of this center and is their web contact to be made? Pat Phelan Dailey Looking for PHELAN MCGRATH BANNON ("Queens Co."on tombstone; now know as Co. Laois) and BURKE. They are all likely from SE Ireland.

Well, how do you like us so far???? LOL Good to have you with us. Glenda > I guess I'm just testing this system to see how it works for now > > Doug Phelan

It Seems my branch of Phelans arrived in Montreal around 1840? and opened a Bakery there - T.P. Phelan Bakery... My Great Grandfather Thomas Phelan knew better than stay with a thriving business ( that went on to be a very large food supplier to this day). He moved to Kingston Ontario Canada to become a "cigar-maker" Thus we are not the rich & Famous Phelans His Parents were :William Phelan 1811-1868 b:Maryborough Co. Laois, Ireland d: Montreal Quebec Mary Flanagan about 1811-1864 b:Fermangh,Ireland d: Montreal Quebec Their children:Thomas b: Abt.July 18, 1844 / Charles b: November 6, 1845 / Patrick b: March 26, 1847 / James b:October 7, 1848 / John J. b: Aug. 3, 1850 / Mary Margaret b: Nov. 8 1851 / Mary Jane b: 1854 Well there's some of my Family I guess I'm just testing this system to see how it works for now Doug Phelan

Doug - My ancestors were also from Co. Laois, and although there's no match among those you have listed, there could be a connection. See http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/h/e/Charles-J-Phelan/?Welcome=9 96207964 Charles Phelan Winnipeg Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Phelan" <dmp@reach.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:06 PM Subject: [Phelan] Canadian Phelans > It Seems my branch of Phelans arrived in Montreal around 1840? and opened a Bakery there - T.P. Phelan Bakery... My Great Grandfather Thomas Phelan knew better than stay with a thriving business ( that went on to be a very large food supplier to this day). He moved to Kingston Ontario Canada to become a "cigar-maker" Thus we are not the rich & Famous Phelans > His Parents were :William Phelan 1811-1868 b:Maryborough Co. Laois, Ireland d: Montreal Quebec > Mary Flanagan about 1811-1864 b:Fermangh,Ireland d: Montreal Quebec > Their children:Thomas b: Abt.July 18, 1844 / Charles b: November 6, 1845 / Patrick b: March 26, 1847 / James b:October 7, 1848 / John J. b: Aug. 3, 1850 / Mary Margaret b: Nov. 8 1851 / Mary Jane b: 1854 > > Well there's some of my Family I guess I'm just testing this system to see how it works for now > > Doug Phelan > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish toast: May the grass grow long on the road to hell for want of use. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

According to a family name history I have the name Phelan is an anglicized form of the Old Gaelic surname O'Faoilain which is derived from the gaelic term foal which means wolf. Supposedly Phelans claim descent from Milesius, King of Spain in ancient times. A.D. 148

I concur with this spelling situation. In my searches I have found for the same family PHELAN, PHALAN, PHALEN, PHALON, and PHELON. What's a researcher to do? By the way, the same family in Ireland was WHELAN for one baptism, and PHELAN for the other four. AAUGH! Mary Phalan mphooey@aol.com phalanm@library.phila.gov > -----Original Message----- > From: Phalintl@aol.com [SMTP:Phalintl@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:01 PM > To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Phelan] Phelan/Phalan/etc > > The spelling of Phelan in Ireland > When we are Ireland in about 1976, there were two phone books, the Dublin > Book, > and one for the rest of the country. Each book had about 200 Phelan phone > numbers, no > other spellings were used. We also found out that Whelan and Phelan or the > > same name, and can be used by the same family sometimes. > My Gr-Grandfather used the name Phalin after he came to this country, but > I > know it > was Phelan in Ireland. Possibly he couldn't read or write and accepted > what > people said it sounded like. > Larry Phalin > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > swig. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

The spelling of Phelan in Ireland When we are Ireland in about 1976, there were two phone books, the Dublin Book, and one for the rest of the country. Each book had about 200 Phelan phone numbers, no other spellings were used. We also found out that Whelan and Phelan or the same name, and can be used by the same family sometimes. My Gr-Grandfather used the name Phalin after he came to this country, but I know it was Phelan in Ireland. Possibly he couldn't read or write and accepted what people said it sounded like. Larry Phalin

The National Park Service has a website for info on the Civil War - soldiers, cemetaries, battles, etc. Records are still be added but it has a lot of info. Check it out at http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/ . Glenda

Hello All, Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! Donna (Phalen) Lien

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Found the following at the website at http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/index.html . Has some great free databases. Glenda the ship Washington Dublin to New York, 1 May 1849 Martin Whelan m 17 Robt Whelan m 19 Susan Whelan f 21

Jack, give us some info on your GGF, name, where located, etc. Let's see what turns up. Anyone can join the Phalen list if they want to by sending a message to PHALEN-L-request@rootsweb.com and put only the word subscribe in the body of the letter. Personally, I would cover all the bases and join both because it's very common to see the same name spelled both ways in the records. That way, in case soneone joins the Phalen list without joining the Phelan list, you'll still be able to catch any of their messages. I just put a note in the welcome message for the Phalen list to advise them to join the Phelan list. Maybe this will take care of the confusion. Glenda > I've been following the Phelan Site for over a year. This is the first mention of the Phalen list that I've seen. My GGF came from Ireland about 1850. I have death certificates on my GF and My Grandfather John. I would like to trace my GGF to Ireland to see if he had any siblings (Phalen, Phelan, Whalen, etc.). Any suggestions will be appreciated. > > Jack Phalen > >

> Is there a difference between the tow lists? I would like to be on both if > possible.Jann Whalen Parks I'm the listmanager for both. I set the Phelan list up myself in 1998, then lo and behold Rootsweb (when bought out by Ancestry.com) set up the Phalen list on their own. When I saw it, I went in and asked to be the listmanager of it. Since no one had actually asked for this list, they let me adopt it. Occasionally, out of stupidity, I'll post a message to the Phalen list by mistake but I think I've got a handle on that now so everything I post goes to the PhElan list. But just in case senility takes over again, you might want to join both. You can do so by sending a message to PHELAN-L-request@rootsweb.com and put only the word subscribe in the body of the letter. There are 130 Phelan subscribers but less than 40 on the Phalen list. I just sent a message to the Phalen list asking them to join the Phelan list. I tried to get Rootsweb to cancel the Phalen list but they won't. Very confusing to me. Lately, ancestry.com is setting up a mailing list of every name possible and most of them don't have listmanagers, usually they just lay idle. So if you have an unusual surname, you might want to check rootsweb again to see if there is now a website. It doesn't cost anything (like it use to) to become listmanager, just a little extra time to keep the activity up. Glenda (listmanager)

I took this from IN-CCCPC-L@rootsweb.com website. Just passing it along FYI only. Glenda > Dear Friends: > > Well, it took quite a while for me to get wind of it, but we've lost another > cemetery down here. > > Whalen Cemetery in Silver Creek Township, Clark Co., IN is about to be > disinterred. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc/whalencem.html for details > about this tiny cemetery and the gruesome tale of 20th Century murder and > suicide that surrounds this site. > > Judge Daniel F. Donahue of the Clark Circuit Court on May 29th, 2001, issued > an Order to Disinter, Remove and Reinter Human Remains from Whalen Cemetery. > See: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc/WHALENCemetery-OrdertoDisinter.pdf > for a copy of the Order. > > The Petition was filed NOT by the property owner, but by a local funeral home > director who happens to be a MEMBER of the Clark County Cemetery Commission. > > What really gripes me about THIS one is that Dan and Betty Johnson went in > there back in 1999 and repaired all three stones in this 10x20' cemetery. We > hiked through tremendously difficult terrain for at least a half an hour to > get to this site, only to discover it was just over a neighbor's fence. > Weed-whipping this cemetery would take every bit of 2.5 minutes. > > The owner of the surrounding property (the cemetery is a specific exception on > the current deed) talked to us back then about moving the graves so he could > build one more house in his new subdivision. I told him point-blank in 1999 > that he DID NOT OWN THE CEMETERY -- that there was a 10x20' hole in his > property. We discussed in detail what he could do (put an ornamental iron > fence around the plot with a locked gate, work with the Township Trustee, > etc.) as he developed his plan for a high-density subdivision on a 50-some-odd > acre plot of timberland and pasture. > > Guess what? The Judge has found in his Order that (1) "THE GRAVE SITES HAVE > NOT BEEN MAINTAINED" and (2) that "IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE > ABOVE-NAMED DECEASED TO RE-INTER THEIR REMAINS TO EBENEZER CEMETERY IN > MEMPHIS, INDIANA". > > The Judge has given the funeral director (NOT THE OWNER OF THE CEMETERY OR THE > OWNER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OR THE DESCENDANTS OF THE DECEASED) > permission to disinter these people's remains. [BTW, their death dates were > 1861, 1910 and 1912.] > > All they are waiting for now is a permit from the State Department of Health, > which is apparently a purely rubber-stamp deal now that they have this Court > Order. > > I have spoken to the Township Trustee (WHOSE STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO > CARE FOR THIS CEMETERY!) and he informed me that he knew all about this > disinterment. He acted like it was no big deal. > > I am SOOOOOO disturbed by this! I'm going to stop by the Courthouse in the > morning and pick up a copy of the Petition, etc. This one I've got to read > word for word!!! > > Is it possible, in Indiana, that someone who is (1) NOT the owner of property > surrounding an cemetery, (2) NOT the outright owner of a cemetery and (3) NOT > a descendant can get a court order to disinter your ancestors' remains????? > Apparently so! > From: Lois Mauk <LoisMauk@home.com> > > >

Is there a difference between the tow lists? I would like to be on both if possible.Jann Whalen Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Womack" <ken-womack@worldnet.att.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: [Phelan] Need Dougs addy > Looks like his address is JMWhalen@aol.com but I could be wrong. I think he's on the PHALEN list, not the Phelan list. Glenda > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist too tight on you. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Hi Ken, My name is Jennifer Phelan and I am looking to get in touch with Doug Phelan from Ontario Canada. In the attached email he sent an email out to the group but I cannot find an address. Can you give him mine??? It's phelanjennifer@hotmail.com Thanks, Jennifer Phelan Ontario, Canada Kenneth Womack wrote: > Sorry, folks, but I sent this to the Phalen list instead of the intended > Phelan list. I got my fingers twisted. Glenda > > > Doug, you had to have subscribed to the Phelan mailing list at some time. > I > > am the list manager and as a rule I do not subscribe anyone unless someone > > writes directly to me asking for help. Even then I give the address with > > instructions to subscribe and try to get them to subscribe themselves. > > > > Right now we have about 130 Phelan researchers in the US, Australia, > > Ireland, New Zealand, Mexico and Canada. In fact there are quite a few > > Canada researchers. I would recommend, Doug, that you send a message to > > Phelan-L@rootsweb.com and give us basic information on your earliest known > > ancestor, i.e. name, time frame, area, sibling's names, etc. if you have > > it. Perhaps there will be someone on line just waiting to make a > connection > > to you. This is a wonderful way to share information. > > > > As far as John Whelan's problem, anytime a message is sent to > > Phelan-L@rootsweb.com by anyone, EVERYONE (all 130 researchers) gets the > > same message. When anyone responds to the message, the mailing list is set > > up that it goes back to the mailing list and EVERYONE on the list receives > > it. However, if the responder wants to, the address can be altered to be > > sent only to the individual that initiates the message. This is up to the > > responder. Hope this explains how the mailing list works. > > > > I hope you guys stay with us BUT if anyone wants to get off the list, all > > you have to do is send a message to Phelan-L-request@rootsweb.com and put > > only the word > > > > unsubscribe > > > > in the body of the letter. If you are on the digest mailing list, then > > you'd have to send the message to Phelan-D-request@rootsweb.com and put > the > > same unsubscribe message. > > > > If anyone has more questions or needs help in some way, you can reach me > > (Glenda) at Ken-Womack@worldnet.att.net . > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone (whoever gets this reply) > > > > > > I'm also suddenly getting a bunch of mail from you guys and don't know > how > > > or why either...My name is Doug Phelan from Ontario Canada and have done > > > research on Phelans that landed in Montreal Canada then spread across > the > > > country .... > > > > > > Where are you guys actually posting your messages this seems to be > some > > > sort of Phelan Mailing list I'm on.... not sure how though > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: JMWhalen@aol.com <JMWhalen@aol.com> > > > To: PHALEN-L@rootsweb.com <PHALEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: July 12, 2001 13:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Phalen] Re: DOROTHEA PHALEN > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 7/12/2001 11:41:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > >etchiemo@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Joan, I've seen quite a few Phalen surnames from New York. You could > > try > > > >> familysearch.com or do a search on one of the search engines. I > > > personally > > > >> do not know any of them as my family settled in West Virginia. Hope > > this > > > >> > > > > > > > >Although I'm not sure why, I'm beginning to get a lot of responses > > > regarding > > > >the Phalen surname in WV. I may have posted a query for WV, but the WV > > > branch > > > >of my family would be Hatfield, Rowe, Foley. The Whalen branch, which > may > > > >have evolved from Phelan, originated in Ireland, and as far as I can > tell > > > at > > > >this point emigrated from there to CT. > > > > > > > >I suspect there is a glitch routing this information to me, but if > > somebody > > > >can send me the link they responded to, it would help. Since I'm > getting > > > >somebody else's (Joan, in this case) responses, it only makes sense > that > > > >someone else may be getting some that should be coming to me. > > > > > > > >Thanks tho for the reply, sent with helpful intentions, in Joan's > > absence. > > > > > > > >John (not Joan, although I am having a MILD identity crisis) Whalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PHALEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Irish Toast - Here's health to your enemies' enemies! > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > ==== PHALEN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Toast - May the grass grow long on the road to hell for want of > use. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PHALEN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Toast - May you live to be a hundred years, with one extra year to > repent. > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A trout in the pot is better than a salmon in the sea. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Looks like his address is JMWhalen@aol.com but I could be wrong. I think he's on the PHALEN list, not the Phelan list. Glenda

Kenneth Womack writes: > The following taken from the MEAROOST-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Just > passing it along FYI only. Glenda > > > > This book was announced on the New Brunswick List but a few of the > Carrolls > > moved across the border to Aroostook Co. > > > > > > > > EARLY CARROLL FAMILIES OF THE BARTIBOG RIVER, ALNWICK AND NEWCASTLE > > PARISHES, NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY, NEW BRUNSWICK, CANADA. > > > > By Joseph E. Carroll, 8.5 x 11 in, plastic comb binding, 67 pages + vi + > > surname and location index. > > > > Covers all Carrolls in Alnwick and Newcastle Parish censuses (1851-1901). > > Correlates census, church (RC), land, cemetery, newspaper, BMD, and > obituary > > records to construct and follow about nine original families and their > > descendants, the heads of which all arrived on the Miramichi River in the > > first third of the 19th century. Sources detailed using over 400 > footnotes. > > > > Associated surnames include: Ahearn/O�Hearn, Barron, Bergin, Black, > > Blackney, Cain/Kain, Callaghan, Caulford/Colford, Connell, Creamer, Daley, > > Delahunty, Doyle, Dunn/Dunne, Egan, Fahey, Finn, Fitzpatrick, Fox, Gidney, > > Hacket, Hanna, Hay, Howlett, Ivory, Keoughan, Lawler, Lynch, Maddock, > Maher, > > Mahoney, McCarthy, McCullum, McCormick, McDonald, McGee, McGillicudy, > > McGinnis, McMahon, Mealey, Mullins, Murphy, Nelligan, Nolan/Nowlan, > Nugent, > > O�Reilley, Otto, Parent, Quigley, Redmond, Regan, Rowan, Ryan, Sauntry, > > Savage, Sirois, Smith, Steele, Sutton, Taylor, Tims, Tucker, Ultican, > > Wallace, Walsh, Whalen, Whitten, Wilson, Woods, and Zolzak. > > > > Price: US$ 15.00 includes shipping. Order by email <JCARROLL1@mn.rr.com> > or > > by post: Joseph E. Carroll, 4261 Queens Way, Minnetonka, MN 55345, USA. > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A trout in the pot is better than a salmon in the sea. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

The following taken from the MEAROOST-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Just passing it along FYI only. Glenda > > This book was announced on the New Brunswick List but a few of the Carrolls > moved across the border to Aroostook Co. > > > > EARLY CARROLL FAMILIES OF THE BARTIBOG RIVER, ALNWICK AND NEWCASTLE > PARISHES, NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY, NEW BRUNSWICK, CANADA. > > By Joseph E. Carroll, 8.5 x 11 in, plastic comb binding, 67 pages + vi + > surname and location index. > > Covers all Carrolls in Alnwick and Newcastle Parish censuses (1851-1901). > Correlates census, church (RC), land, cemetery, newspaper, BMD, and obituary > records to construct and follow about nine original families and their > descendants, the heads of which all arrived on the Miramichi River in the > first third of the 19th century. Sources detailed using over 400 footnotes. > > Associated surnames include: Ahearn/O¹Hearn, Barron, Bergin, Black, > Blackney, Cain/Kain, Callaghan, Caulford/Colford, Connell, Creamer, Daley, > Delahunty, Doyle, Dunn/Dunne, Egan, Fahey, Finn, Fitzpatrick, Fox, Gidney, > Hacket, Hanna, Hay, Howlett, Ivory, Keoughan, Lawler, Lynch, Maddock, Maher, > Mahoney, McCarthy, McCullum, McCormick, McDonald, McGee, McGillicudy, > McGinnis, McMahon, Mealey, Mullins, Murphy, Nelligan, Nolan/Nowlan, Nugent, > O¹Reilley, Otto, Parent, Quigley, Redmond, Regan, Rowan, Ryan, Sauntry, > Savage, Sirois, Smith, Steele, Sutton, Taylor, Tims, Tucker, Ultican, > Wallace, Walsh, Whalen, Whitten, Wilson, Woods, and Zolzak. > > Price: US$ 15.00 includes shipping. Order by email <JCARROLL1@mn.rr.com> or > by post: Joseph E. Carroll, 4261 Queens Way, Minnetonka, MN 55345, USA. >