I received this from the NFLD-ROOTS-L mailing list and am passing it along FYI only. Glenda Costello of Conception Harbour > KFHGW@aol.com > > List, > > Today I received from the Supreme Court of Newfoundland my gggrandfathers > will. He was John Costello (1832-1911). According to his will he had 4 sons > (John [known as Grub), Timothy (known as Gull), David (my ggrandfather) and > Edward (nobody ever heard of him)) and 4 daughters (Margaret Wade, Bridget > Penny, Mary Anne Whelan and Johanna Driscoll (hope that helps someone). > > In his will he left everything to his 4 sons and nothing to his daughters, is > that normal? > > In his will he lists the 4 sons and what they get. My mother and her sisters > never heard of an Edward in the family ever so this was a big surprise to my > Mom. But the first three sons he lists their name and what they get. On the > forth son he states "forth I give devise and Bequeath to my forth son Edward > Costello, blah blah, to him his heirs and assigns forever. Could that mean > he had died? He does not do this with the others. Also on John's tombstone > it states from his sons John, David and Timothy. No Edward is listed. > > Karen Gramigna-Warren > Researching Costello, Mahoney, McGrath and Dalton.

My Whalen's came to U.S from County Waterford thur Nova Scotia also. have tried to find them in Waterford? Jann Whalen Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Doehring" <kcd2@swbell.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: [Phelan] Re: PHELAN-D Digest V01 #90 > My Phelans all came from Waterford, thru Nova Scotia. Any canadian > Phelans out there who know they were related to either Father David > Vincent Phalen or Father David Samuel Phelan, both of North Sydney, Nova > Scotia? Fr. Phalen was the editor of the Antigonish Casket (F. Xavier > University's paper at the turn ot the century) and Fr. Phelan was the > editor and co-owner of "The Western Watchman" one of the longest > running Catholic newspapers in America (located in St. Louis) at the > turn of the century. > > Chris Doehring > St. Louis, MO > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Marriages are all happy - it's having breakfast together that causes all the trouble. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

The DAR has a web site at http://www.dar.org/natsociety/default.html and they'll do free Patriot lookups. I'm not sure how long it takes but I just requested one tonight so I'll let you know when I receive it. Glenda

The following was taken from the SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Just passing it along FYI only. Glenda > Subject: Re: [SH] RE: Nine Famous Irishman > Thomas D'arcy McGee was assassinated in 1868 in Ottawa , by James Patrick > Whelan. See below a one man play being performed in Ottawa. > http://www.sleepingdog.ca/background.html > > >> > >> In the "Irish Genealogy Helper," many years ago, I came across a > >>small article titled--Nine Famous Irishman. In this article it mentions > >> "...in 1848 the following nine men were captured, tried & convicted of > >>treason against Her Majesty The Queen, & were sentenced to death." > >>"Passionate protest from all the world forced Queen Victoria to commute > >>the sentence to transportation for life to far wild Australia." The Nine > >>Famous Irishman were: > >> > >>Thomas D'arcy McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of > >> Agriculture & President of Council, Dominion of Canada. (note: all others deleted by me)

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This is taken from another list and am just passing it along FYI only. Glenda > Source: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Early Rate Records > Below are the names of people on the Omeo Regional Rate Records from 1866 to 1869 > > WHELAN THOMAS TONGIO WEST

Brenda Kleager (a Gibson Co., TN Phelan researcher) has a Phelan photo up on the Gibson Co web site. To view it go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngibson/photos/d_j_phelan.htm

Yes, you are right...the spelling is just a curiosity...I just hope I can figure all of the spellings out soon...often I run across one that I have never thought about...It really helps to have the Message Board for others input. Have a great day. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Phelan Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:39 PM To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan It makes no difference. It's the genes that count, the DNA - not the spelling! The spelling is just a curiosity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nita Davidson" <NitaDavidson@MSN.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > Thank you Sir Charles...No sincerely, I do realize how and why all the different spellings...which by the way...don't leave out the Census takers! > > But yes, I do have to constantly remind myself not to get hooked on the spelling...but it sure makes it difficult to change boats in mid stream!....No punt intended. > > Sincerely, > > NitaDavidson@MSN.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Phelan > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:36 AM > To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe > the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The > misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the > past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the > immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question > of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, > because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally > pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. > Charles Phelan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he > was > > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > > Parks > > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > > swig. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist > too tight on you. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Men are like bagpipes: no sound comes from them till they're full. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: An old broom knows the dirty corners best. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== Irish Proverb: Marriages are all happy - it's having breakfast together that causes all the trouble. ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

It makes no difference. It's the genes that count, the DNA - not the spelling! The spelling is just a curiosity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nita Davidson" <NitaDavidson@MSN.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > Thank you Sir Charles...No sincerely, I do realize how and why all the different spellings...which by the way...don't leave out the Census takers! > > But yes, I do have to constantly remind myself not to get hooked on the spelling...but it sure makes it difficult to change boats in mid stream!....No punt intended. > > Sincerely, > > NitaDavidson@MSN.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Phelan > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:36 AM > To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe > the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The > misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the > past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the > immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question > of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, > because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally > pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. > Charles Phelan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he > was > > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > > Parks > > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > > swig. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist > too tight on you. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Men are like bagpipes: no sound comes from them till they're full. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: An old broom knows the dirty corners best. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Thank you Sir Charles...No sincerely, I do realize how and why all the different spellings...which by the way...don't leave out the Census takers! But yes, I do have to constantly remind myself not to get hooked on the spelling...but it sure makes it difficult to change boats in mid stream!....No punt intended. Sincerely, NitaDavidson@MSN.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Phelan Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:36 AM To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. Charles Phelan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he was > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > Parks > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Hello All, > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > swig. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist too tight on you. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== Irish Proverb: Men are like bagpipes: no sound comes from them till they're full. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Jan, Yes it is difficult...but now that I have your information, give me a little time and I will check mine and look to see if I can find anything on yours...do you have dates (birth/death/marriage)...locations of anything else in their life? A year or so ago...I did some extensive research in Ireland on our family name... Again...whatever the spelling was at the time...certainly helps in research. Sincerely thankful for your interest and I remain, In search of distant cousins sincerely, Nita Davidson NitaDavidson@MSN.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jann Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:50 AM To: PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan Not a mystery but a little hard to find people when the last name could be different than what you think it might be. I am looking for John, my ggrandfather's brother who lived in Perry N.C. Perry is no more and the only Whalen's that I found in that area I can't write to because I don't have a "box" number, just a street address. Maybe John wasn't a Whalen, maybe he was a O'Phelan,or a Phelan or a Phalen, I know my g-g-grand parent's name, John and Mary but what was their last name in County Waterford Ireland, That is the real mystery. Jann WHALEN Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phelan" <cchuckles@home.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe > the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The > misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the > past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the > immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question > of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, > because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally > pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. > Charles Phelan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he > was > > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > > Parks > > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > > swig. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist > too tight on you. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Men are like bagpipes: no sound comes from them till they're full. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== Irish Proverb: If you have one pair of good soles it's better than two pairs of good uppers. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Charles, You are so correct about the spellings. According to a genealogy speaker at a recent conference, spelling the the US was not considered important at all (in any situations- not just names) until about the 1920s.... I wish I had known this when I began my family research in the 1970s. If the name was not spelled PHELAN as my grandmother wrote it, I did not look at the records. As I thought as the time, "That couldn't be my line; they don't spell it the same." Now I'm having to go back through the same records I researched over 30 years ago! Brenda Kleager

Jan, According to the Handy Book for Genealogists, there was never a Perry County NC. However, there was / is a Perry County Tenn. Since so many Phelans ended up in Tenn. (mine in Gibson Co.), I wonder if you might try this county for your research. Brenda Kleager

The following was shared with me by Maureen McNeil from The Nova Scotia Cape Breton List. She was looking for the obit below but very likely provided for me the marriage date of my 4th great grandparents, Maurice Phelan and Margaret Creedon. Chris Nothing on the family history in the funeral notice - Just about all the priests that were at the funeral. Do you know when this fellow was born.? Here are some early Phalen/Phelan marriages and baptisms. I don't think I sent these before. They are from the church records of St. Patrick's Catholic Church with the exception of the first two, which are from the St. George's Anglican Ch. The Catholic ch. wasn't bulit until 1828. Thomas Phelan baptised 8 May 1808 son of Patrick and Marg -St. Georges Catherine Phellon born 9 Mar. 1826 daughter of Williaim and Catherine of Sydney.- St. Georges Marr. Maurice Phelan and Margaret Gredan 28 Oct. 1833 at St. Patricks Marr. William Phelan and Sarah Curry 16 Nov. 1835 at St. Patricks Marr. Eleanor Phelan and John Gavel 6 May 1833 at St. P. Marr. John Phelan and Ann McKeagan 9 Jan. 1838 at St. P Marr. Martin Phelan and Magy Boyd 6 Apr. 1837 at St. P Marr. Martin Phelan and Elenor Hennesy 1 July 1839 at St. P. Marr. Mary Phelan and Maurice O'Neil 30 June 1836 Baptisms of Andrew Phalen age 6 months son of Patrick and Marg Bapt. 28 Sept. 1809 Baptism of William Phalen baapt. 26 Dec. 1800 on st. Stevens day, son of Patrick and Margaret. Sponsors were: Wm. Ludlow and Mrs. Dodd by proxy. Apr.7,1909 - The Sydney Daily Post Final Obsequies of Late Rev. D.V. Phalen North Sydney, April 6 -- The remains of the late Rev. D.V. Phalen were removed last evening from his home on Queen St. to St. Joseph's Church. The members of Branch 131 C.M.B.A., who had charge of the funeral arrangements and the local branch of the League of the Cross, together with the Sydney Mines branch, marched in a body to the church. This morning a solemn Requiem High Mass was celebrated for the repose of the soul of the deceased priest by Rev. D.J. MacIntosh, P.P. of Margaree, with Rev. H.P. MacPherson, rector, St. Francis Xavier College, Deacon; Rev. A. Butts, P.P. Harbor au Bouche, sub-deacon; and Rev. James McKeough, P.P. Canso, master of cermonies. The funeral sermon was preached by Rev. Dr. Thompson, V.G., Glace Bay. St. Joseph's Church was crowded to the doors with mourners, among whom could be noted several pastors of churches of other demoninations. The clergymen assisted at the service besides those already mentioned were: Rev. J.M. Kiely, Bruser, St. F.X. College; Rev. H.D. Barry, Main -a- Dieu; Revs. D. M. MacAdam and M. Gillis of Sydney; Rev. R. MacInnis, Whitney Pier; Rev. J.W. MacIsaac, Little Bras d'or; Rev. John Fraser, Lochaber; Rev. C.E. McKinnon, Sydney Mines; Reb. Jos MacDonald, Boisdale; Rev. W. Kiely, North Sydney; Rev. M.A. MacPherson, Little Bras d'or. After Mass the funeral procession reformed, the members of the Branch 357 C.M.B.A. Whitney Pier joinging the local branches in the march, while the League of the Cross in a body and a large number of citizens of all classes and demoninations made up one of the largest processions seen here in many a day.Parctically every parish in the county was represented by one or more members who joined the obsequies. Out of respect to the memory of the dead priest, the flags on the public buildings were displayed at half mast.

I took the following info from the GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Just passing it along FYI only. Glenda > Subject: Naughty Cardiff ladies > This morning I went to do a look up in one of Cardiff's old papers> These are some of the beauties I found. > > Cardiff Times Seot 15th 1865 > At the Police court on Monday. > Margaret MAHONY a prostitute was sent to prison for 21 days for indecently > exposing her person in the street last night. > > Stealing from the person > Catherine WHELAN a Whitmore lane prostitute was charged with picking the > pocket of an Irish labourer named Thomas MURPHY in the Custom House Hotel. He > was robbed of about 15 shillings. The case was made out by evidence of the > prosecutor and the servant girl of the public house. She was comitted for > trial. > > Oct 6th 1865 > Watch comittee.Wednesday > Alderman ALEXANDER called attention to the scenes of indecency observable in > Bute Street every morning. Scenes of drunken and half drunk sailors and > prostitutes rolling about and using bad language. The police he said seem to > be either absent from the area or just take no notice. > He stated that in Swansea an order had been given to police to arrest all > girls on the street unbonneted. ( can you imagine it no hat on so you must > be a prostitute) > Mr Superntendent STOCKDALE said he would willingly obay such an order but it > must be given. > Alderman ALEXANDER mentioned a case where in Whitmore Lane an intoxicated > sailor was led to a brothel and in a few minutes robbed and thrown out into > the street with such force that he cut his head. A policeman on the street > took no notice of this incedent. > Mr ELLIOT complained that it was all but impossible to pass some corners in > the Bute Street and Whitmore lane areas without hearing bad language and > being accosted by prostitutes. He also said that they seem to disappear when > the police arrive on their beat. > The same day a motion was proposed by Alderman ALEXANDER and seconded by Mr > JENKINS directing the police to remove all persons obstructing corners of the > streets and to take into custody those who behaved indecently or > unsufficiently attired. > > Guess what. > The following day. > Headline PROSTITUE WITHOUT A BONNET. > Mary Ann MURPHY a prostitute was charged with conversing with a number of > seamen without any covering on her head. > The bench said there were great complaints of annoyance caused by such > characters as the defendant to respectable people along Bute Street. They > were determined to put down the nusiance as much as possible. > Mary Ann MURPHY was discharged this time but the bench warned her to be > careful in future. > And who was on the bench Alderman ALEXANDER he tells the police to clean up > the area then when they act on his words he discharges the case.(what's new) > > Of course the Editors summary of the week gives the powers that be a good > knocking saying that the police were hard presed to do the job so stop > knocking them. > > Oh and on the same day. > Caroline DALTON was charged with disorderly conduct and sentenced to 7 days > in prison. > > I wonder did Alderman ALEXANDER have a soft spot for Mary Ann MURHY. > > More tomorrow > Phil the Cardiff mongrel

Not a mystery but a little hard to find people when the last name could be different than what you think it might be. I am looking for John, my ggrandfather's brother who lived in Perry N.C. Perry is no more and the only Whalen's that I found in that area I can't write to because I don't have a "box" number, just a street address. Maybe John wasn't a Whalen, maybe he was a O'Phelan,or a Phelan or a Phalen, I know my g-g-grand parent's name, John and Mary but what was their last name in County Waterford Ireland, That is the real mystery. Jann WHALEN Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phelan" <cchuckles@home.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe > the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The > misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the > past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the > immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question > of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, > because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally > pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. > Charles Phelan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he > was > > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > > Parks > > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > > swig. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist > too tight on you. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: Men are like bagpipes: no sound comes from them till they're full. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

What's the mystery about spelling variations? People were illiterate. Maybe the priest presiding over the baptism could read but couldn't spell. The misspellings then perpetuated themselves. This has been demonstrated in the past century. In Canada, eastern European immigrants took the spelling the immigration officer gave them on being admitted entry. It was all a question of phonics. Different family members sometimes had different spellings, because different immigration officers had to commit to writing an orally pronounced name. That's clearly how multiple spellings of names happen. Charles Phelan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jann" <townefabric@rural-net.com> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he was > also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers > Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the > O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have > fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen > Parks > Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> > To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > > > > Hello All, > > > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one > swig. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish toast: May the Lord keep you in his hand and never close his fist too tight on you. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Just received this after putting out a request for a lookup in "History of York Co 1886" by John Gibson. Glenda Early marriages of Friends of York county-as listed on page 286 of Gibsons' massive History of York Co 1886 ." "According to the costom of the society, the marriage ceremony is always performed at a public meeting, and the certificate of marriage signed by the members and others present as witness, the following is a list of the first marriages in York county. ...... these folks witness a marriage 5-29-1740 in Manchester and it is a long list, includes the name of Thomas Fioland.

Another "county" heard from. My G Grandfather was Martin Whalen but he was also known as O'Phalen. oral history says that he and Grandma Ellen Powers Whalen offered a lady a ride in their buggy and she said "you are the O'Phalen's? and put her leg right in thier clock they were taking to have fixed. the glass is still broke on the front is still broke Jann Whalen Parks Please check Remus Free Summer Music Program at www.remusmusic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Lien" <dlien@theboss.net> To: <PHELAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: [Phelan] Re: The Spelling of Phelan > Hello All, > > Just a word of advice for all you Phelan/Phalen/Whelan etc. researchers > out there -- do not discount the variant spellings of this last name. I > was quite surprised when I read what my g-grandfather, Philip PHALEN, > put down on his marriage certificate for his parents names -- Michael > and Catherine PHELAN. When Philip came to North America, he was listed > on the ship's list as Philip PHELAN but after that, he was always called > Philip PHALEN. In other words, we Phelans likely ARE all related!! > > Donna (Phalen) Lien > > > ==== PHELAN Mailing List ==== > Irish Proverb: A narrow neck keeps the bottle from being emptied in one swig. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

I belong to a county list here in TN on which a lady started sending a series of letters via the list and she called it Sunday Afternoon Rocking. We all loved it so much we kept asking for more and more of them. I believe it was eventually carried on one of the Rootsweb information mailing list, can't remember the name right now. But anyway....I usually try to keep on the Phelan topic but I'm making another exception and passing this along to you just this one time and I hope you enjoy. Should you wish to get these on a regular weekly basis, you can join her mailing list shown at the bottom of the article. Forgive me for falling off topic. Glenda +++++++++ A Man's Word is His Bond (from the Sunday Afternoon Rocking series) Most of us come to the day when we are left with the remnants of another's life to sort through. And so it was that the day came, I found in my father's effects a small worn leather purse that had belonged to my own grandfather. In it was a worn and creased, tattered and carefully folded letter. I little realized when I struggled to open its crumbling edges without tearing, how very much this letter had to say. My grandfather was far from wealthy. He had lived all of his life by the sweat of his brow and the toil of his hands. He had farmed, he had cut railroad ties, and he had raised five children on a small farm deep in the hills of Tennessee. When flooding or drought ruined crops, he would go north for a time to a city where there was industry, and pick up a job long enough to make the income to piece his financial picture back again, and square his debts with the country store. Then he could come home to his family and farm some more. He would ship much needed shoes home for the children, and sometimes small bags of sweets such as they saw at no other time in their rural situation. He and his wife would write loving letters back and forth, understanding the situation they chose to build a life around was a precarious one. It was accepted that their lives from year to year was dependent on the weather, dependent on Providence, no matter how early they rose, how hard they toiled or how late the hour their hands finally stilled. By the time he was elderly, his wife was gone, and he had kept the commitment he made to her the day he married until the day she died. Still not wealthy, he could look around at the farm that had served him well, and that he had served, and know that it was paid for, at least. If he had not great material wealth, at least he owed no man, and at least he had managed to "hold his head up". He was able to farm no more, and his income was meager, mostly earned from renting his land to others, but once a year he climbed on a Greyhound bus and traveled from Tennessee to Texas where there yet lived kindred of his own generation. Born in the late 1800's, in a world without media, a world without instant communication, many of my grandfather's ideas were holdovers from such a world even well into the twentieth century. In the world that had reared him, the "credit" extended a man went no further than the estimation those of his own neighborhood had of him. And so it was more than a reason of pride, but a reason of survival to maintain that good name. A man traveling outside his own neighborhood had need of some documentation attesting to that good name, for his own safety and survival in a world that did not know him. So it was that "letters of introduction" were common for the 1800's. But they were not common in the 1960's, when communication was as instant as dialing a telephone. Yet I found just such a letter, carried by that elderly man on his travels to Texas. Attesting to his honesty, his good character, his morality, this letter was signed by virtually every "important" individual in his world: all of his neighbors, his minister, the sheriff, the funeral home director, the judge, the attorney, the owner of a country store. The names went on and on, signatures of the folks in every prominent position in the tiny rural county, and signatures of the simple hardworking folk like himself who had no position other than their own "good names". I was touched at this man's simplicity and trust. To him, this was "proof" for any who might need to know, for anyone who met him or he might need to do business with, for any trouble he might have. This was proof of a lifetime spent building "a good name". Carefully folded and placed in his little leather purse along with the bus ticket stub, he had kept it for his journeys. I have no doubt that on the most final journey of all he did not need such a letter, for it was left in this world for me to find. Perhaps it was celestially decided that I needed it worse than he. For it is to me a symbol of a time in which a "man's word was indeed his bond", a time in which "a good name" was far more important in terms of wealth than riches. It bespeaks a time in which even a seasoned elder could trust that the signature of the folks around him on a piece of paper attesting to his character was meaningful in the world outside his own. And I am overwhelmed and humbled by what I hold in my hands and could never attain myself. By my own accord, I have earned two college degrees, additional certifications, and reaped awards and appreciation plaques. Yet not a single one of the kudos I have heaped in closets and filing cabinets is as meaningful or as rich as that one letter my grandfather folded so carefully and carried with him. It took me some ten years altogether to earn my own diplomas with their "official" stamps and Old English engraved lettering. Some ten years I toiled to earn my papers in their fine leather cases with a few signatures of people who would not recognize me if they saw me. I am sure they are much more dramatic statements in the world today than a creased faded letter an old man carried year after year in his worn purse. And yet, I am overwhelmed, and ashamed of my own poor accomplishments when I hold a letter the likes of which I could never hope to have myself. Everyone I have ever known or had dealings with in my life have not signed such a letter, and I am not sure would if I should even live the eighty years he did. How small are the things our world today frames and holds as examples of exemplary accomplishments. Would that we all could have a worn leather purse that held little more than a carefully creased folded letter. 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