Hello Marie, we are back to our old discussion of last autumn about the border and time limits of the Pfalz (Palatinate), Kurpfalz (Palatinate Electorate) and the belonging of the Pfalz to Bayern (Bavaria) or so. You remember perhaps the fabulous question of Don Hickmann: "Who owned the Pfalz?" There are some points in the statement given by Rob Hausman requiring a more precise formulation: The first German Reich (Holy Roman Empire of German Nation) ended in the year 1806 and with it all those both laic and ecclestical electors as well as a whatever supremacy of Habsburg after Kaiser Franz II. of Habsburg deposed the crown and renounced to the emperorship of the Empire. After the fall of Napoleon in 1815 Europe was "restored" by the Vienna Congress and not only by Metternich. In the course of this merchandising Bavaria became the owner of the left Rhine territories of the former Kurpfalz (Palatinate Electorate). These territories where named in the very beginning the Bavarian Rhinelands (Bayerische Rheinlande) and from about 1825 on the Rhine Palatinate (Rheinpfalz). This Rheinpfalz or often shortly called the Pfalz belonged till the end of WW I in 1918 to the Kingdom of Bavaria which was followed through the end of WW II in 1945 by the State of Bavaria. The kingdom of Bavaria did not end with the creation of the second German Reich in 1871, it became part of, but ended with its destruction after WW I in 1918. Thus the Pfalz was part of the state of Bavaria from 1815/16 till 1945. (I hear already Fred Krebs sharpening his pencil !) Therefore the IGI classification correctly reflects the historical situation. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BSKTBTQUE@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Bavaria? > Hi > > While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing > Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two > different places? > > When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in > the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > > Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with > Germany areas. > > Thank you > Marie > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >