Dear List members, Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal location. I have three questions: Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in this area? Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. Ann Messecar Mesger, Messer, Miscaer, Mesker, Massiker, Massecar, Masseker, Etc. Yes, the name was even "Massacre"d! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On Thursday 28 December 2006 5:56 am, Ann Messecar wrote: > Dear List members, > Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel > Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 > on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from > "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in > Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal > location. > > I have three questions: > Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more > information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in > this area? > Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? > Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. > Ann Messecar Ann, I always take the easy way out, and just see what the LDS has filmed. When I did a "place search" of the Family History Library Catalog, for Frankenthal, I see: Place search results: Frankenthal Germany, Preußen, Pommern, Frankenthal Germany, Sachsen, Frankenthal Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) If this was my search, I would look carefully at all the film titles for ALL of these places, and see if anything popped out at me as sounding or looking familiar. If none of them did, then I would start with Frankenthal, Frankenthal, and hope that they have films for records that early. For more about how to use the FHL Catalog, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html All the best, Valorie

Dear Valorie - Thank you for the good suggestion. I always think of looking for names on the Mormon site, but never thought to do a place search! Thanks! Ann Valorie Zimmerman <valoriez@zimres.net> wrote: On Thursday 28 December 2006 5:56 am, Ann Messecar wrote: > Dear List members, > Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel > Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 > on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from > "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in > Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal > location. > > I have three questions: > Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more > information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in > this area? > Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? > Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. > Ann Messecar Ann, I always take the easy way out, and just see what the LDS has filmed. When I did a "place search" of the Family History Library Catalog, for Frankenthal, I see: Place search results: Frankenthal Germany, Preußen, Pommern, Frankenthal Germany, Sachsen, Frankenthal Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) If this was my search, I would look carefully at all the film titles for ALL of these places, and see if anything popped out at me as sounding or looking familiar. If none of them did, then I would start with Frankenthal, Frankenthal, and hope that they have films for records that early. For more about how to use the FHL Catalog, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html All the best, Valorie ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Ann Messecar METZGER means butcher. You probably know that. In "Friesenheimer Bürgerbuch. Die Einwohner von Friesenheim 1584-1814" von Oskar POLLER in "Zur Geschichte der Stadt Ludwigshaften am Rhein" is also mentioned some MEZGER and METZGER: Page 115: 780. MEZGER, Johannes aus Stockstadt, married Magdalena NN. Daughter: Anna Elisabetha MEZGER, married 11.02.1749 in Friesenheim Jacob HOFFMANN aus Viernheim. 781. MEZGER, Maria Anna died 20.05.1752 in Friesenheim. She was a servant, and she was burried 21.05.1752. 782. MEZGER, NN married Francisca NN. Son: Ambrosius MEZGER, died 10.04.1757 in Friesenheim, and he was burried the same day. Age: about 4 years old. 783. METZGER, Johann Leonhard, died 10.03.1784 in Friesenheim, 56 years old ("Wiehhirte auf der Gräfenau), he married Susanna LANG, who died 16.04.1796 in Friesenheim (not of catholic religion), she was a widow and 64 years, 11 months and 8 days old. They had 3 children (at least): 1. Christina METZGER, christened 03.01.1765 in Friesenheim (Christian METZGER, her fathers brother was a godparent) 2. Maria Magdalena METZGER, christened 07.07.1767 in Friesenheim (Maria Margaretha BLASIUS in Frankenthal was a godparent). She marrieed 21.11.1787 in Friesenheim Josef KAST, Teacher in Friesenheim. 3. Johann Jacob METZGER, born and christened 25.12.1770 in Friesenheim (Johann Jacob KÜHN and Regina were godparents). The name BLEUZET, BLEZE, BLEUSET (perhaps related to BLASIUS) are found in Mannheim area. These people could be of french reformed religion (calvinists). It is mentioned, that Susanne LANG was not of catholic religion. Elisabeth BLEUSET, was married bef. Aug. 1674 in Frankenthal to Jean MICHÉE from Metz, Alsace-Lorraine Province, France. He was clearly a huguenot. Wilhelm Beuleke: "Die Hugenottenkolonie zu Strasburg in der Uckermark" in Geschichtsblätter des Deutschen Hugenotten-Vereins e.v. XVIII. Zehnt, Heft 9/10. 1982, Page 43: "Jean Michée. Grosgrainweber und Tabakplantzer aus Metz, reg. Frankenthal 1674 (11), Mannheim 1678 (10), Carlsdorf 1690 (6), Strasburg 1691 (1), das er bald wieder wegen Überfüllung verlässt, um im Okt. 1692 (15) Bürger der Pfälzer Kolonie in Magdeburg mit Frau und 5 Kinder zu werden; geh. vor Aug. 1674 (11) Elis. Bleuzet aus Bléharies in Belg.-Hennegau (W); E. v. Nr. 167.". He was a weaver and tabacco planter from Metz, who was registered in Frankenthal, Mannheim, Rgeinland-Pfalz, then Carlsdorf, Hessen. He came to Strasburg and went to Magdeburg because of too many people in Strasburg. He was married to Elisabeth BLEUZET, from Belgian Hennegau (Hainaut); she was probably a Walloon. My ancestors LOUISON were often called LUDVIGSEN in Denmark, so the French names were often "Massacre"d in other countries, but not so bad, if the newcomers stayed in colonies and used their own language in church registers. Then the vicar and some of the people were able to spell in French. In french reformed churchbook of Mannheim Marguerithe METZGER married BRUGLÉ in 1794. Friendly greetings Hanne Thorup Koudal, Denmark