It seems that folks want to acknowledge only one Palatine in Germany. I certainly can see that all the Palatines could be lumped to gether if one wishes but I have a maps that shows several as follows: In Wuerttemberg area Palatinate of Hohenlohe Palatinate of the Rhine Palatinate of Tubingen Palatinate of Furstenberg Palatinate of Hohenzollern Palatinate of Furstenberg Palatinate of Messkirch That map appears to be about 1789 In another map I see: An Upper Palatinate above todays Bavaria and Lower Palatinate were we are calling the Pfalz that map is 1618 I have also seen a Palatinate in an old map of England. So when my family says they came from the Palatinate in 1753 can I be sure we are talking about the Pfalz? Fred Clarke fclarke@juno.com 19885 W 69th Ave Arvada CO 80004 303 424 2560 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.