Ken, Have you checked the microfilms at the LDS FHC for the two towns you mention? I have found several records in the Catholic records from Klingenmünster (no too close to the towns you mention, but not really far either) that mention members of a Gloss family. No Maria Anna though. But I have not searched thoroughly for the Gloss name. Do you know any of her other relatives names? I have no Adams in my Klingenmünster files, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. I don't know how common the name Gloss is, but you might want to check the records from other towns near Landstuhl and Kaiserslautern also. --Marybeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Steeber" <ksteeber@shentel.net> Subject: [Pfalz] Adam/Kloss > I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in > Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. > They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and then > New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were from > Bayern. Regards, Ken

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Just a quickie. Belum is in the very northern part of Germany. In fact east of Cuxhaven and on the North Sea. We were there several years ago and it is very interesting. But - of course- so far their records have not been copied. But they couldn't have been nicer and more helpful. Also famous for the horses they raise. Race horses. Beautiful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Beth Michaels" <50below@pobox.mtaonline.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] fun book I am reading Hi Marge, I am still plugging away on my Klingenmünster records. I have zillions of them to look at. Sometimes I take a break and work on something else. Now I am looking at the Catholic records for the Menges and Leibrecht families, along with others that tag along for the ride. As you say, working on more than one thing at a time is confusing, but I get bored with just one strand of research. I got "Clever Maids" at the library. You could try interlibrary loan or abebooks.com or amazon. It was just published a couple of years ago I think. I remembered hearing an interview with the author on the radio or somewhere, and I decided to finally look it up. I'm about half way through now, and I am enjoying it a lot. It has put those old fairy tales into a new context for me, a much more interesting one. Where is Belum? Marybeth ---- Original Message ----- From: "ralphkroehler" <ralphkroehler@prodigy.net> > Hi Mary Beth > Sounds like you are doing a lot better than I on my Klingenmunster search. > I've gotten off on Belum now for another g-father. Doing all at one time > is > confusing. Question - where did you find Clever Maids? > Marge Kroehler ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe ralphkroehler@prodigy.net from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marge, I am still plugging away on my Klingenmünster records. I have zillions of them to look at. Sometimes I take a break and work on something else. Now I am looking at the Catholic records for the Menges and Leibrecht families, along with others that tag along for the ride. As you say, working on more than one thing at a time is confusing, but I get bored with just one strand of research. I got "Clever Maids" at the library. You could try interlibrary loan or abebooks.com or amazon. It was just published a couple of years ago I think. I remembered hearing an interview with the author on the radio or somewhere, and I decided to finally look it up. I'm about half way through now, and I am enjoying it a lot. It has put those old fairy tales into a new context for me, a much more interesting one. Where is Belum? Marybeth ---- Original Message ----- From: "ralphkroehler" <ralphkroehler@prodigy.net> > Hi Mary Beth > Sounds like you are doing a lot better than I on my Klingenmunster search. > I've gotten off on Belum now for another g-father. Doing all at one time > is > confusing. Question - where did you find Clever Maids? > Marge Kroehler

Hi Mary Beth Sounds like you are doing a lot better than I on my Klingenmunster search. I've gotten off on Belum now for another g-father. Doing all at one time is confusing. Question - where did you find Clever Maids? Marge Kroehler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Beth Michaels" <50below@pobox.mtaonline.net> To: "PFALZ@rootsweb.com" <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: [Pfalz] fun book I am reading >I have started an interesting book, "Clever Maids, The Secret History of >The > Grimm Fairy Tales," by Valerie Paradiz. > > Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm did not live in the Pfalz, but the first three > chapters at least, have given me some new insights into German history. > And > they lived in a part of Germany that was west of the Rhein (Hesse), so it, > like the Pfalz, was taken over by Napoleon; and some of the experiences in > the two places would have been similar. Also the author writes about the > experiences of women, who were the story tellers, which is not always easy > to find in history books, and half of our ancestors were indeed women. > > The book is an easy read, and has the added virtue of being short. I am > enjoying it very much, and I thought some of you might be too. > > Marybeth Michaels > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ralphkroehler@prodigy.net from the list, please send an > email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have started an interesting book, "Clever Maids, The Secret History of The Grimm Fairy Tales," by Valerie Paradiz. Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm did not live in the Pfalz, but the first three chapters at least, have given me some new insights into German history. And they lived in a part of Germany that was west of the Rhein (Hesse), so it, like the Pfalz, was taken over by Napoleon; and some of the experiences in the two places would have been similar. Also the author writes about the experiences of women, who were the story tellers, which is not always easy to find in history books, and half of our ancestors were indeed women. The book is an easy read, and has the added virtue of being short. I am enjoying it very much, and I thought some of you might be too. Marybeth Michaels

Karen, I have been doing a research on the Menges family in Klingenmünster (north of Bad Bergzabern, southwest of Landau). I am in the middle of that family, so I do not have organized information. But two Menges brothers immigrated to New York around 1845 to 1850, then moved out to San Francisco, where Adam Menges had a butcher's stall in one of the markets there in the 1850s. His brother, Jacob, moved across the Bay to Oakland and had several children living there at one time. Where did yours come from, and where in the US did they end up, if that is where they ended up? Marybeth Michaels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> >I have found a surname that sometimes ends with e, er, or es (Meng, Menge, > Menger, Menges). My late father-in-law said that the original name used > to > end with e. Is there a convention that would explain why the same surname > might sometimes end with an extra e, er, or es? Is this a Latin version? > > Secondly, I have found several ancestors who were Baptized or Christened > in > both the Catholic and the Evangelical church. Was this done for political > reasons or were the parents of different religions? > > Thank you for any ideas on this. > > Karen >

Cornelia, I have a tedious and time consuming idea. You might use the LDS IGI to find out what area near Speyer and/or Bergzabern have a lot of families with the names you are looking for. Then you can get the microfilms from those areas and search through them to look for your names. A lot of the namess I was looking for are not listed in the IGI, but are on the microfilm (for various boring reasons). Did you look at records from Bergzabern? Also Schweigen is right on the French border. I don't know what time frame you are looking at, but as far as I can tell, during the Napoleonic years (about 1803-14?) the bishop who came to officiate at the confirmations in the town of Klingenmünster (just north of Bergzabern) was from Strasbourg, not Speyer. I do not really have a clue, but some of these records might be in Strasbourg too. (In fact I just gave myself a really good idea!) Were your people Catholic or Calvinist? Be sure to look at the right records. Did you look at any French records? Good luck. Marybeth ----- Original Message ----- From: <fenenga@connpoint.net> > which ones didn't allow their records to be copied? I can't find a single > trace of > my people in FamilySearch's IGI. yet he gives his home as Schweigen, > Bergzabern, > Speyer. of course, if his home is not the same place as his birth, I'm in > some > trouble...but his children show up as born either in Germany or France, so > they > should most likely show up in Schweigen, but they aren't in the IGI, > either-and I > left the search to the whole of Germany, not focusing on any town or > state. I > haven't looked for everyone in the family, but father, eldest son and > youngest > daughter don't show up in the IGI. going off to check a few more of the > family. > any guidence appreciated... > Cornelia

Karen-- Where/when are the Mengers that you are looking at? I have several Mengers in my family in Worms in the mid 1600's They were Evangelischer and worked as fishermen.

Cornelia, There are some Evengelical christening records for Schweigen for the years 1685 to 1791 at this website: http://www.igi-index.de/?seite=batch8&lang=uk&sort=ort&id=Schweigen Click on the word "Link" on the right. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Zimmerman" <valoriez@zimres.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Speyer church records > On Monday 27 November 2006 11:44 pm, fenenga@connpoint.net wrote: >> which ones didn't allow their records to be copied? I can't find a single >> trace of my people in FamilySearch's IGI. yet he gives his home as >> Schweigen, Bergzabern, Speyer. of course, if his home is not the same >> place >> as his birth, I'm in some trouble...but his children show up as born >> either >> in Germany or France, so they should most likely show up in Schweigen, >> but >> they aren't in the IGI, either-and I left the search to the whole of >> Germany, not focusing on any town or state. I haven't looked for everyone >> in the family, but father, eldest son and youngest daughter don't show up >> in the IGI. going off to check a few more of the family. any guidence >> appreciated... >> Cornelia > > Cornelia, just because the records have been microfilmed, does NOT mean > that > they have been indexed and entered into the IGI. If they have, that is a > bonus, and makes it easier for us to find them. However, if you have a > village name, you have what you need to order the films from the Family > History Library (FHL) through your local Family History Center (FHC). To > locate the film number you need, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html > > If you don't see Schweigen, search for Bergzabern, or even Speyer. OR, > consult > a map, and search for the closest villages and towns. Don't forget to > consult > old maps as well as modern atlases when searching for villages and towns. > > Best of luck, > > Valorie > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html

On Monday 27 November 2006 11:44 pm, fenenga@connpoint.net wrote: > which ones didn't allow their records to be copied? I can't find a single > trace of my people in FamilySearch's IGI. yet he gives his home as > Schweigen, Bergzabern, Speyer. of course, if his home is not the same place > as his birth, I'm in some trouble...but his children show up as born either > in Germany or France, so they should most likely show up in Schweigen, but > they aren't in the IGI, either-and I left the search to the whole of > Germany, not focusing on any town or state. I haven't looked for everyone > in the family, but father, eldest son and youngest daughter don't show up > in the IGI. going off to check a few more of the family. any guidence > appreciated... > Cornelia Cornelia, just because the records have been microfilmed, does NOT mean that they have been indexed and entered into the IGI. If they have, that is a bonus, and makes it easier for us to find them. However, if you have a village name, you have what you need to order the films from the Family History Library (FHL) through your local Family History Center (FHC). To locate the film number you need, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html If you don't see Schweigen, search for Bergzabern, or even Speyer. OR, consult a map, and search for the closest villages and towns. Don't forget to consult old maps as well as modern atlases when searching for villages and towns. Best of luck, Valorie

My thoughts - In my ancestor's case, the Protestants and Catholics shared the same building in the village, keeping separate records. The lack of a 2nd building may have been due to the massive destruction during the Thirty Years War. Also, in most cases the people were required to take up the religion of their ruler (King, Duke, Count, etc.), which gave rise to the phenomenon of a family being Protestant one year and Catholic the next. Regards, Don Hickman ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Stone" <mstone@fisherstone.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Language Question and religion question > Hi Karen, > > Having now looked through many years of old German handwritten documents > (on microfilm), I believe that spelling in the "old country" was truly > not a big priority in the grand scheme of things. Some recorders were > meticulous about spelling, and were obviously more literate and > consistent and careful (and had better handwriting); others were > terrible on all counts. Some local individual church recorders had their > own quirks (spelling all names in Latinized or Polish versions, for > example); during French occupation names were recorded in French > versions, while the people later reverted to using German versions (or, > after moving to America, used English versions). In researching family > trees, I have learned to cast a wide net to catch all possibilities of > spellings, and then rule some out over time after seeing more records in > that geographic area. You really have to get a feel for how the records > were kept in a certain place and time, to see who was included in your > target surname and how the spellings and recording varied. The > handwriting alone can be a huge puzzle, where you need to see LOTS of > examples of the handwriting to figure out how a given name or word was > intended to be spelled. When I look up ancestors in old German > documents, I always read over LOTS more pages than just the one I find > my people on. It gives a great idea of the person doing the recording, > and the neighbors and the neighborhood. > > In the old country the females of a surname often had (not always) "-in" > added to their name. So that Johann Georg Gilger's sister might be > recorded as "Anna Elisabetha Gilgerin." Or not! It depends on time and > place whether this happened or not. I can't describe or explain the > rules of it, but I can tell you to watch out for it and realize that > Gilgerin or any other German surname ending in "-in" might well be the > feminine version of the surname more commonly used without the "-in." > Perhaps your Menger and Menges were originally Mengin, with the crabbed > old terrible handwriting misinterpreted by some secondary recorder > somewhere. Who knows? I would accept the variations as being included in > your search until otherwise ruled out. > > I too have found relatives baptized in both the Katholische and > Evangelische church records. I do not know why! I am only grateful for > the duplication and the information being available. Perhaps one church > or one pastor was closer for the desired early baptism and the baby was > re-baptized later when a trip to the preferred denonimational pastor or > church was possible. Or, if the dates of baptism are the same in both > records, perhaps one church passed on the record to the other. All I can > say is, I have seen this too. It evidently wasn't uncommon. > > Happy hunting, > Michelle Stone > > > Karen Meng wrote: >> I have found a surname that sometimes ends with e, er, or es (Meng, >> Menge, >> Menger, Menges). My late father-in-law said that the original name used >> to >> end with e. Is there a convention that would explain why the same >> surname >> might sometimes end with an extra e, er, or es? Is this a Latin version? >> >> Secondly, I have found several ancestors who were Baptized or Christened >> in >> both the Catholic and the Evangelical church. Was this done for >> political >> reasons or were the parents of different religions? >> >> Thank you for any ideas on this. >> >> Karen >>

Hello Bette, You are absolutely correct. This atlas should provide additional detail with respect to historic locations and it has a fabulous index. It will make a good companion to my ADAC atlas and I really appreciate having the information on it along with the coordinates to this atlas. Thanks to Rob and Bette, Rudy -----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Hausman [mailto:hausman@bu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:29 AM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Mertesheim, Ebertsheim, Monsheim Folks- I'm am not quite sure if everyone has already dismissed the Atlas of the German Reich or that the memory of most folks current on the list does not extend that far. While the posted map is dated 1883, it is older and "more" detailed than current road maps. It is worth a few minutes -it will take that- to understand. http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html#Introduction Rob Hausman At 08:24 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >Rudy, Does the particular atlas, of which you speak, include historic >locations (town names) or perhaps that is not too much of an issue/concern >when it comes to locations in Germany. In other words, would one expect to >be able to locate historic towns in the current edition of the "Deutschland >ADAC MaxiAtlas"; villages that were in existence ca. 1800-1850? > >Thank you, >Bette ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Hi Karen, Having now looked through many years of old German handwritten documents (on microfilm), I believe that spelling in the "old country" was truly not a big priority in the grand scheme of things. Some recorders were meticulous about spelling, and were obviously more literate and consistent and careful (and had better handwriting); others were terrible on all counts. Some local individual church recorders had their own quirks (spelling all names in Latinized or Polish versions, for example); during French occupation names were recorded in French versions, while the people later reverted to using German versions (or, after moving to America, used English versions). In researching family trees, I have learned to cast a wide net to catch all possibilities of spellings, and then rule some out over time after seeing more records in that geographic area. You really have to get a feel for how the records were kept in a certain place and time, to see who was included in your target surname and how the spellings and recording varied. The handwriting alone can be a huge puzzle, where you need to see LOTS of examples of the handwriting to figure out how a given name or word was intended to be spelled. When I look up ancestors in old German documents, I always read over LOTS more pages than just the one I find my people on. It gives a great idea of the person doing the recording, and the neighbors and the neighborhood. In the old country the females of a surname often had (not always) "-in" added to their name. So that Johann Georg Gilger's sister might be recorded as "Anna Elisabetha Gilgerin." Or not! It depends on time and place whether this happened or not. I can't describe or explain the rules of it, but I can tell you to watch out for it and realize that Gilgerin or any other German surname ending in "-in" might well be the feminine version of the surname more commonly used without the "-in." Perhaps your Menger and Menges were originally Mengin, with the crabbed old terrible handwriting misinterpreted by some secondary recorder somewhere. Who knows? I would accept the variations as being included in your search until otherwise ruled out. I too have found relatives baptized in both the Katholische and Evangelische church records. I do not know why! I am only grateful for the duplication and the information being available. Perhaps one church or one pastor was closer for the desired early baptism and the baby was re-baptized later when a trip to the preferred denonimational pastor or church was possible. Or, if the dates of baptism are the same in both records, perhaps one church passed on the record to the other. All I can say is, I have seen this too. It evidently wasn't uncommon. Happy hunting, Michelle Stone Karen Meng wrote: > I have found a surname that sometimes ends with e, er, or es (Meng, Menge, > Menger, Menges). My late father-in-law said that the original name used to > end with e. Is there a convention that would explain why the same surname > might sometimes end with an extra e, er, or es? Is this a Latin version? > > Secondly, I have found several ancestors who were Baptized or Christened in > both the Catholic and the Evangelical church. Was this done for political > reasons or were the parents of different religions? > > Thank you for any ideas on this. > > Karen > > > > ********* > Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I have found a surname that sometimes ends with e, er, or es (Meng, Menge, Menger, Menges). My late father-in-law said that the original name used to end with e. Is there a convention that would explain why the same surname might sometimes end with an extra e, er, or es? Is this a Latin version? Secondly, I have found several ancestors who were Baptized or Christened in both the Catholic and the Evangelical church. Was this done for political reasons or were the parents of different religions? Thank you for any ideas on this. Karen

I have collected a number of German map links, including the one below, at: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/german-maps.html I hope this helps, Valorie On Tuesday 28 November 2006 4:28 am, Robert E. Hausman wrote: > Folks- > > I'm am not quite sure if everyone has already dismissed the Atlas of the > German Reich > or that the memory of most folks current on the list does not extend that > far. > > While the posted map is dated 1883, it is older and "more" detailed than > current > road maps. > > It is worth a few minutes -it will take that- to understand. > > http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html#Introduction > > Rob Hausman > > At 08:24 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: > >Rudy, Does the particular atlas, of which you speak, include historic > >locations (town names) or perhaps that is not too much of an issue/concern > >when it comes to locations in Germany. In other words, would one expect > > to be able to locate historic towns in the current edition of the > > "Deutschland ADAC MaxiAtlas"; villages that were in existence ca. > > 1800-1850?

www.familysearch.org Type in last name or if you know the first name type it also. use drop down for country then drop down for state Bayern. There are many many records there. Check for Speyer as there are many towns, chruches and civil records. Have patience and good luck. Judy Christopher (nee Mueller) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel A. Ohmer" <gooup@charter.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Speyer church records > Judy, > > Thanks for your reply, and thanks to all of you for your help! > > Where can I find these records on familysearch.org? > > -----Original Message----- > From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Judy Christopher > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:23 PM > To: pfalz@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Speyer church records > > Joel, The records from Speyer can be found at www.familysearch.org. I > have > > found most of my Family in these records. Then I went to Speyer and > confirmed all that I read. Most of the Churches have kept their records > and > > allowed them to be put on film. The land archives in Speyer are not on > line > > but are a wonderful source too. > Remember that Speyer is in the Pfalz and at one time was part of the > Palatinate. Good luck, Judy Christopher (nee Mueller from > Speyer-am-Rhein) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel A. Ohmer" <gooup@charter.net> > To: <PFALZ@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:15 PM > Subject: [Pfalz] Speyer church records > > >>I am trying to locate specific records from the marriage, birth and death >> records from Speyer. Are these records available online? >> >> Joel A. Ohmer >> www.ohmer.org >> >> >> ********* >> Information for list members: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Judy, Thanks for your reply, and thanks to all of you for your help! Where can I find these records on familysearch.org? -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Christopher Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:23 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Speyer church records Joel, The records from Speyer can be found at www.familysearch.org. I have found most of my Family in these records. Then I went to Speyer and confirmed all that I read. Most of the Churches have kept their records and allowed them to be put on film. The land archives in Speyer are not on line but are a wonderful source too. Remember that Speyer is in the Pfalz and at one time was part of the Palatinate. Good luck, Judy Christopher (nee Mueller from Speyer-am-Rhein) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel A. Ohmer" <gooup@charter.net> To: <PFALZ@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: [Pfalz] Speyer church records >I am trying to locate specific records from the marriage, birth and death > records from Speyer. Are these records available online? > > Joel A. Ohmer > www.ohmer.org > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks- I'm am not quite sure if everyone has already dismissed the Atlas of the German Reich or that the memory of most folks current on the list does not extend that far. While the posted map is dated 1883, it is older and "more" detailed than current road maps. It is worth a few minutes -it will take that- to understand. http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html#Introduction Rob Hausman At 08:24 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >Rudy, Does the particular atlas, of which you speak, include historic >locations (town names) or perhaps that is not too much of an issue/concern >when it comes to locations in Germany. In other words, would one expect to >be able to locate historic towns in the current edition of the "Deutschland >ADAC MaxiAtlas"; villages that were in existence ca. 1800-1850? > >Thank you, >Bette ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

At 09:07 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >I am trying to locate specific records from the marriage, birth and death >records from Speyer. Are these records available online? Depending on the years you need and the religion, you would need either the civil records or the church records. Speyer is a fairly large area and has quite a few churches so if you're looking for records prior to 1798 (when they started civil registration), you'll need to check the church records. The church records as well as civil registration records (births, marriages and deaths--the church has baptisms, marriages, and deaths/burials) are all microfilmed and available for rental at local Family History Centers. It is very satisfactory to look at the films yourself even if you don't speak German (which I don't). The IGI might have some of the films transcribed and entered but I doubt anywhere near all of them. There are hundreds of microfilm for Speyer (270 alone for civil registration). If you at least approximate dates, it shouldn't be too hard to find the entries. Pam http://www.pamsgenealogy.net