Whoops! I think you meant to send your reply to Karen Meng. Regards, Don Hickman ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <robertgillis@verizon.net> To: <drhickmann@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] MENGER in Worms > the only conrad meng in FamilySearch is an AF submission by:Vickki > Galloway. her addres is in the submitter detail. write her. > > 2120 E 45TH > SPOKANE WA 99223 > > Nothing in a Wilhelm born circa 1810. Where did you get the inforatmion > you have given? > > bob gillis > > Karen Meng wrote: > >>First of all, I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you immediately. We've >>had an ice storm and no power plus other issues. >> >>Actually, I am looking for MENG. I am just wondering about why I have >>found >>MENG, MENGE, MENGER, and MENGES in the same area. I was trying to >>determine >>if they might all be related with a surname variation based on Latin or >>some >>other factor. Also, name variations happen over time. >> >>The MENG family I'm trying to find include" >> >>Conrad MENG b.1785 and residing in Monsheim before emigrating in 1837. >> Emigrated with his wife, Elizabetha MUELLER and children >> Conrad b 1816 >> Ludwig b 1818 >> Catherine b. abt 1820 >> Elizabetha Margaret b. Jul 1820 >> John b. 19 Mar 1827 >> >>Wilhelm MENG b. 1810 and residing in Mertesheim before emigrating in 1848. >> 1st marriage to Maria SCHREIBER >> 2nd marriage to Henrietta MUENCH >> Friedrich b. abt 1844 >> Christina b. 16 Mar 1841 >> Louis b. 1837, son of Wilhelm >> > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ken Steeber wrote: >In the 1850 census record I found Charles and Maria in Newark, New Jersey >with their 5 children four of whom were born in NY. State or city? Charles >is 39 and Maria is 30. Since their first born Rachel was born in 1841 they >must have immigrated some time just before. The only info on their origins >is that they were from Bavaria. I know it's like looking for a needle in a >hay stack but I have been lucky with another branch of my family tree with >less info. > Go to SteveMorse Creating One-Step Search Tools <http://www.stevemorse.org> scroll down to Castel Agaredn plus other and try his search form. As I Remember, the PALs for pre ~1850 have been indexed and the indexes are avilable though a FHC. bob gillis

First of all, I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you immediately. We've had an ice storm and no power plus other issues. Actually, I am looking for MENG. I am just wondering about why I have found MENG, MENGE, MENGER, and MENGES in the same area. I was trying to determine if they might all be related with a surname variation based on Latin or some other factor. Also, name variations happen over time. The MENG family I'm trying to find include" Conrad MENG b.1785 and residing in Monsheim before emigrating in 1837. Emigrated with his wife, Elizabetha MUELLER and children Conrad b 1816 Ludwig b 1818 Catherine b. abt 1820 Elizabetha Margaret b. Jul 1820 John b. 19 Mar 1827 Wilhelm MENG b. 1810 and residing in Mertesheim before emigrating in 1848. 1st marriage to Maria SCHREIBER 2nd marriage to Henrietta MUENCH Friedrich b. abt 1844 Christina b. 16 Mar 1841 Louis b. 1837, son of Wilhelm Karen -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laun Charlie Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:59 AM To: PFALZ@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pfalz] MENGER in Worms Karen-- Where/when are the Mengers that you are looking at? I have several Mengers in my family in Worms in the mid 1600's They were Evangelischer and worked as fishermen. ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The CD's Germans to America cover dates 1850-1874 & 1875-1888. This family would not be on the cd. Ann In a message dated 12/3/2006 9:04:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyaedin@prodigy.net writes: Ken, Have you checked the Castle garden website for entry in the US? They now have a database for people entering into the US. http://castlegarden.org I would also check Germans to America. I do not have access to the books or cds but hopefully if a kind soul on the list has access they could take a peak for you. I have some allied lines that are really proving to be a challenge aside from my Adam line. My Lemmerichs and Schotthoefers are not anybetter. Sarah Adams Ken Steeber <ksteeber@shentel.net> wrote: In the 1850 census record I found Charles and Maria in Newark, New Jersey with their 5 children four of whom were born in NY. State or city? Charles is 39 and Maria is 30. Since their first born Rachel was born in 1841 they must have immigrated some time just before. The only info on their origins is that they were from Bavaria. I know it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack but I have been lucky with another branch of my family tree with less info. Best regards Ken Steeber

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In the 1850 census record I found Charles and Maria in Newark, New Jersey with their 5 children four of whom were born in NY. State or city? Charles is 39 and Maria is 30. Since their first born Rachel was born in 1841 they must have immigrated some time just before. The only info on their origins is that they were from Bavaria. I know it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack but I have been lucky with another branch of my family tree with less info. Best regards Ken Steeber ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <robertgillis@verizon.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Adam/Kloss > > > Ken Steeber wrote: > >>I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in >>Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. >>They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and then >>New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were from >>Bayern. >> > Per an extracted IGI entry, Charles Adam was born in Kaiserslautern 30 > May 1813 son of Jacque Adam and Elisabethe Grimm. > > Per an extracted IGI entry, Maria Anna Gloss was born 25 Sep 1891 dau of > Petter Gloss and Anna Maria Schwarz. I do not find a marriage record > for them so they may have married here in the USA. > > What specific information are you looking for? Besides a marriage date > and place? > > bob gillis > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ksteeber@shentel.net from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks so much for the reply. As my experiences have proven little pieces of information can paint a great picture. regards, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "SARAH ADAMS" <ladyaedin@prodigy.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: [Pfalz] Adam from Duttweiler/Altdorf/Geinsheim > Good day, > > I decided to post this separately from original Adam/Gloss post. > Unfortunately I do not have any Kaiserlautern nor Klingenmunster. > > I have a few but mine are centered around Altdorf and Duttweiler. My > group is quite elusive and I am beginning to suspect they have migrated to > the area from elsewhere but I have not been able to ascertain from where. > My suspicions is that they are from France. Mine were originally not > Catholic but possibly Jewish or Evangelical Reformed. > > My ancester of greatest curiousity is Johannes Adam born approximately > about 1735 if not earlier. He married Maria Catharina Siring (Syring) in > Duttweiler 17 October 1765. > > His marriage record lists his fathers name as Abraham and he is deceased > and his mother as Anna. I have not located Abraham's or Anna's death's > dates. > > I have never found JOhannes's death date but I have found his wife's > death date in the Geinshiem records in 1819. > > This is where it gets curious... Of their 5 children, the three boys were > baptized in the evangelical reform church in Altdorf but the girls were > baptized in the catholic church in Duttweiler. There children are as > follows: Johan Jacob (1766) > , Maria Elisabetha (1767), Catharina Elisabetha (1769), Johannes (1771), > and Anna Margaretta (1778). > > Johannes married Anna Maria Clara Pflug in Venningen in 1809. I have > never been able to locate a death record for him. His wife had her death > date written on her birth record in Venningen. > > Their son Johannes married Maria Johanna Schotthoefer in Otterstadt in > 1847 and had six children. Five of the six children emigrated to the > United States. They have one son that has proven to be elusive. Martin > Adam was born 2 November 1850 in Otterstadt. He married Hedwig Lehr > (daughter of Johannes Lehr and Eva Catharina Wellenreuther) in Duttweiler > 16 November 1876. Their marriage was also listed in Geinshiem records > several days later. Hedwig was born 18 July 1855. From what I can > ascertain they had one child, Anna, who was born 19 September 1877 in > Bobingen. > > There is always that remote possibility that he did emigrate later to the > United States unbeknownst to the rest of the family. > > Regards > > Sarah Adams > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ksteeber@shentel.net from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Alan, There appears to be at least 2 different Bendorfs in Germany in this area in the late 1800s. One is near Coblenz in the Pfalz area (Principality of Bavaria and the subject of this mail list). The other is not far away in Alsace that was also part of Germany from 1872 to 1918 (another mail list). The following are the entries in the online LDS Family History Library (Salt Lake City) catalog. The microfilms can be rented at your local LDS Family History Center (Kirchenbuch, 1672-1896 and Registres de l'état civil, 1788-1882 ). The third is a "Family Book", sometimes called an ortssippenbuch (OSB) or an ortfamilienbuch (OFB), and unfortunately has not been microfilmed, and is therefore not available for rent at your local FHC. Note: OSBs are usually a "gold mine." If the Bendorf in the Pfalz turns out to be yours, I would encourage you to purchase a personal copy. Google shows there are copies available. (See http://tinyurl.com/y9fwcj) It appears to be 2 volumes and includes Jewish families. ========================== Kirchenbuch, 1672-1896 Katholische Kirche Bendorf (Kr. Coblenz) (Main Author) Roman Catholic Parish register of baptisms, marriages, deaths, and family book for Bendorf (Kr. Coblenz), Rheinland, Prussia, Germany. Familienbuch Bendorf : von 1480 bis 1875 Verfasser: Horst Thiessen, Markus Weidenbach Family lineage book for Bendorf. Inhalt: Bd. 1. Familien A-Lup -- Bd. 2. Familien Lut-Z, Jüdische Familien, Sterbefälle fremder Personen, Index und Ortsverzeichnis. Registres de l'état civil, 1788-1882 Bendorf (Haut-Rhin). Officier de l'état civil (Main Author) Ten year index, births, marriages, deaths. ========================== BTW, I have changed your subject to the generally preferred subject line format for genealogical research. The 1930 US Census entry should give an age that would be more accurate than "the late 1800s." At 04:51 PM 12/3/2006, you wrote: >From: "Alan J. Kleipass" <aj@rockycrater.org> >Subject: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany > >Greetings, Everyone! > >First off, a quick introduction: My name Alan Kleipass. I am new to >the list (obviously) and new to the genealogy tracking hobby. This >whole semester, my English class has been focusing on families and >family history -- and the fictional dangers of researching it (The >Swine's Wedding by Daniel Evan Weiss was our first reading >assignment). The last writing assignment for the course was to write >about a dead relative whom we knew. I chose my maternal grandmother. >My mother and I each thought that we had a pretty good idea of her and >her family history, but the very limited research I did for that >assignment turned up several major surprises, and unanswered some >questions we thought that we knew the answers to. Though the paper is >finished and turned into my professor, the desire to answer these new >questions is very strong. > >Now, on to the first question: >Family lore had it that my maternal grandmother's father (Stefan >Kraier) was a French Jew, who moved to Germany in the late 1800s, >settled in Bendorf, married Katherine Decker -- a Roman Catholic -- >and they raised 7 children (in the R.C. faith) there until moving to >the US in the early 1920s. The first crack in that lore was the ship >manifest for Stefan's voyage to the US. It listed his place of birth >as Bendorf. Assuming this isn't a typo, it does raise questions about >how long his family had actually been in Germany. > >So, was there a specific time period in the 1800s where French Jews -- >or the French in general -- were moving to Germany? Or was the area >around Bendorf ever occupied or controlled by the French? > >~Alan J. Kleipass~

Thank you, Maureen. I am certain that it was the Bendorf on the Rhine near Koblenz that my grandmother grew up in. Looking at the Wikipedia info on Mülhausen, it appears that the French controlled it from 1789 to 1870, and the Germans were in control from 1870 to 1918. So, in theory, Stefan could have been born French in a German controlled Bendorf and then moved to another town with the same name as his birthplace. Far fetched, but they do say that truth is stranger than fiction, so... I shall examine the possibilities. Thank you again. ~Alan J. Kleipass~ -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Spaghettitree@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 06:04 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany There are 3 places by the name of Bendorf, according to Meyers-Orts (1912 gazetteer which covers Alsace-Lorraine to East Prussia). The first one is a village in Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) near Mülhausen. There 196 residents, Catholic parish. The second is a city on the Rhein near Koblenz. 6,090 people, Evangelisch, Katholisch parishes and a Synagogue. The third is a village up north in Schleswig-Holstein near Rendsburg, church affiliations not named, 270 residents. Alsace-Lorraine went back and forth from Germany to France several times, so look to your history and chronologies. Last time it reverted to French property was after the War in 1945. Maureen Schoenky ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe aj@rockycrater.org from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan, I should see if I can find and share with the listserv. In the records of Schifferstadt, there was a very curious entry about Richelieu in the Schifferstadt records. I printed it off for I found it rather curious. Sarah ADams "Alan J. Kleipass" <aj@rockycrater.org> wrote: Thank you, Maureen. I am certain that it was the Bendorf on the Rhine near Koblenz that my grandmother grew up in. Looking at the Wikipedia info on Mülhausen, it appears that the French controlled it from 1789 to 1870, and the Germans were in control from 1870 to 1918. So, in theory, Stefan could have been born French in a German controlled Bendorf and then moved to another town with the same name as his birthplace. Far fetched, but they do say that truth is stranger than fiction, so... I shall examine the possibilities. Thank you again. ~Alan J. Kleipass~ -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Spaghettitree@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 06:04 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany There are 3 places by the name of Bendorf, according to Meyers-Orts (1912 gazetteer which covers Alsace-Lorraine to East Prussia). The first one is a village in Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) near Mülhausen. There 196 residents, Catholic parish. The second is a city on the Rhein near Koblenz. 6,090 people, Evangelisch, Katholisch parishes and a Synagogue. The third is a village up north in Schleswig-Holstein near Rendsburg, church affiliations not named, 270 residents. Alsace-Lorraine went back and forth from Germany to France several times, so look to your history and chronologies. Last time it reverted to French property was after the War in 1945. Maureen Schoenky ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe aj@rockycrater.org from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe ladyaedin@prodigy.net from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan, I have a handy guide at home that has some nice tips on researching the French occupation and it has the Republic Calendar. A very handy tool. I am at work right now so I do not have access to it. Ironic, a number of my Otterstadt marriages and births are recorded in the records in Ketsch which is across the Rhine River from the town during the time of French control. I would also carefully look at nearby towns. Good Luck Sarah "Alan J. Kleipass" <aj@rockycrater.org> wrote: Thank you, Maureen. I am certain that it was the Bendorf on the Rhine near Koblenz that my grandmother grew up in. Looking at the Wikipedia info on Mülhausen, it appears that the French controlled it from 1789 to 1870, and the Germans were in control from 1870 to 1918. So, in theory, Stefan could have been born French in a German controlled Bendorf and then moved to another town with the same name as his birthplace. Far fetched, but they do say that truth is stranger than fiction, so... I shall examine the possibilities. Thank you again. ~Alan J. Kleipass~ -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Spaghettitree@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 06:04 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany There are 3 places by the name of Bendorf, according to Meyers-Orts (1912 gazetteer which covers Alsace-Lorraine to East Prussia). The first one is a village in Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) near Mülhausen. There 196 residents, Catholic parish. The second is a city on the Rhein near Koblenz. 6,090 people, Evangelisch, Katholisch parishes and a Synagogue. The third is a village up north in Schleswig-Holstein near Rendsburg, church affiliations not named, 270 residents. Alsace-Lorraine went back and forth from Germany to France several times, so look to your history and chronologies. Last time it reverted to French property was after the War in 1945. Maureen Schoenky ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe aj@rockycrater.org from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe ladyaedin@prodigy.net from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are 3 places by the name of Bendorf, according to Meyers-Orts (1912 gazetteer which covers Alsace-Lorraine to East Prussia). The first one is a village in Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) near Mülhausen. There 196 residents, Catholic parish. The second is a city on the Rhein near Koblenz. 6,090 people, Evangelisch, Katholisch parishes and a Synagogue. The third is a village up north in Schleswig-Holstein near Rendsburg, church affiliations not named, 270 residents. Alsace-Lorraine went back and forth from Germany to France several times, so look to your history and chronologies. Last time it reverted to French property was after the War in 1945. Maureen Schoenky

Ken, Have you checked the Castle garden website for entry in the US? They now have a database for people entering into the US. http://castlegarden.org I would also check Germans to America. I do not have access to the books or cds but hopefully if a kind soul on the list has access they could take a peak for you. I have some allied lines that are really proving to be a challenge aside from my Adam line. My Lemmerichs and Schotthoefers are not anybetter. Sarah Adams Ken Steeber <ksteeber@shentel.net> wrote: In the 1850 census record I found Charles and Maria in Newark, New Jersey with their 5 children four of whom were born in NY. State or city? Charles is 39 and Maria is 30. Since their first born Rachel was born in 1841 they must have immigrated some time just before. The only info on their origins is that they were from Bavaria. I know it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack but I have been lucky with another branch of my family tree with less info. Best regards Ken Steeber ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Adam/Kloss > > > Ken Steeber wrote: > >>I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in >>Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. >>They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and then >>New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were from >>Bayern. >> > Per an extracted IGI entry, Charles Adam was born in Kaiserslautern 30 > May 1813 son of Jacque Adam and Elisabethe Grimm. > > Per an extracted IGI entry, Maria Anna Gloss was born 25 Sep 1891 dau of > Petter Gloss and Anna Maria Schwarz. I do not find a marriage record > for them so they may have married here in the USA. > > What specific information are you looking for? Besides a marriage date > and place? > > bob gillis > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ksteeber@shentel.net from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe ladyaedin@prodigy.net from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, Everyone! First off, a quick introduction: My name Alan Kleipass. I am new to the list (obviously) and new to the genealogy tracking hobby. This whole semester, my English class has been focusing on families and family history -- and the fictional dangers of researching it (The Swine's Wedding by Daniel Evan Weiss was our first reading assignment). The last writing assignment for the course was to write about a dead relative whom we knew. I chose my maternal grandmother. My mother and I each thought that we had a pretty good idea of her and her family history, but the very limited research I did for that assignment turned up several major surprises, and unanswered some questions we thought that we knew the answers to. Though the paper is finished and turned into my professor, the desire to answer these new questions is very strong. Now, on to the first question: Family lore had it that my maternal grandmother's father (Stefan Kraier) was a French Jew, who moved to Germany in the late 1800s, settled in Bendorf, married Katherine Decker -- a Roman Catholic -- and they raised 7 children (in the R.C. faith) there until moving to the US in the early 1920s. The first crack in that lore was the ship manifest for Stefan's voyage to the US. It listed his place of birth as Bendorf. Assuming this isn't a typo, it does raise questions about how long his family had actually been in Germany. So, was there a specific time period in the 1800s where French Jews -- or the French in general -- were moving to Germany? Or was the area around Bendorf ever occupied or controlled by the French? ~Alan J. Kleipass~

Ken Steeber wrote: >I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and then New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were from Bayern. > Per an extracted IGI entry, Charles Adam was born in Kaiserslautern 30 May 1813 son of Jacque Adam and Elisabethe Grimm. Per an extracted IGI entry, Maria Anna Gloss was born 25 Sep 1891 dau of Petter Gloss and Anna Maria Schwarz. I do not find a marriage record for them so they may have married here in the USA. What specific information are you looking for? Besides a marriage date and place? bob gillis

Mary Beth, Thanks so much for your advice. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Beth Michaels" <50below@pobox.mtaonline.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com>; "Search Pfalz" <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Adam/Kloss > Ken, > Have you checked the microfilms at the LDS FHC for the two towns you > mention? > I have found several records in the Catholic records from Klingenmünster > (no > too close to the towns you mention, but not really far either) that > mention > members of a Gloss family. No Maria Anna though. But I have not searched > thoroughly for the Gloss name. Do you know any of her other relatives > names? > I have no Adams in my Klingenmünster files, but that doesn't mean they > aren't there. I don't know how common the name Gloss is, but you might > want > to check the records from other towns near Landstuhl and Kaiserslautern > also. > --Marybeth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Steeber" <ksteeber@shentel.net> > Subject: [Pfalz] Adam/Kloss > > >> I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in >> Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. >> They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and >> then >> New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were >> from >> Bayern. Regards, Ken > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ksteeber@shentel.net from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Buck" <fredbuck@sprynet.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: [Pfalz] Belum Church Records > Ralph Kroehler wrote: > > Belum is in the very northern part of Germany. In fact east of > Cuxhaven > and > on the North Sea. We were there several years ago and it is very > interesting. But - of course- so far their records have not been > copied. > > The duplicate Kirchenbuch records for Belum have been microfilmed and are > available through the LDS Family History Center. The film numbers and the > content are: > > Taufen, Trauungen, Tote, Konfirmanden 1715- 1726, 1746, 1751-1752, > 1759-1763, 1765-1775 - FHL INTL Film [ 1188944 Item 2 ] > Retake for 1188945 und 1188946 (Belum, Bevern, Beverstedt) - FHL INTL > Film > [ 1188945 Item 1 ] > Taufen, Trauungen, Tote, Konfirmanden 1775- 1852 - FHL INTL Film [ > 1188945 > Item 2 ] > > Fred Buck > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe ralphkroehler@prodigy.net from the list, please send an > email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm looking for information on a Charles Adam b. May 1813 in Kaiserslautern and Maria Anna Gloss born in nearby Landstuhl in Sep 1920. They came to America in the early 1800's. and settled in New York and then New Jersey. Up to now I only knew that Charles (Karl) and Maria were from Bayern. Regards, Ken

Good day, I decided to post this separately from original Adam/Gloss post. Unfortunately I do not have any Kaiserlautern nor Klingenmunster. I have a few but mine are centered around Altdorf and Duttweiler. My group is quite elusive and I am beginning to suspect they have migrated to the area from elsewhere but I have not been able to ascertain from where. My suspicions is that they are from France. Mine were originally not Catholic but possibly Jewish or Evangelical Reformed. My ancester of greatest curiousity is Johannes Adam born approximately about 1735 if not earlier. He married Maria Catharina Siring (Syring) in Duttweiler 17 October 1765. His marriage record lists his fathers name as Abraham and he is deceased and his mother as Anna. I have not located Abraham's or Anna's death's dates. I have never found JOhannes's death date but I have found his wife's death date in the Geinshiem records in 1819. This is where it gets curious... Of their 5 children, the three boys were baptized in the evangelical reform church in Altdorf but the girls were baptized in the catholic church in Duttweiler. There children are as follows: Johan Jacob (1766) , Maria Elisabetha (1767), Catharina Elisabetha (1769), Johannes (1771), and Anna Margaretta (1778). Johannes married Anna Maria Clara Pflug in Venningen in 1809. I have never been able to locate a death record for him. His wife had her death date written on her birth record in Venningen. Their son Johannes married Maria Johanna Schotthoefer in Otterstadt in 1847 and had six children. Five of the six children emigrated to the United States. They have one son that has proven to be elusive. Martin Adam was born 2 November 1850 in Otterstadt. He married Hedwig Lehr (daughter of Johannes Lehr and Eva Catharina Wellenreuther) in Duttweiler 16 November 1876. Their marriage was also listed in Geinshiem records several days later. Hedwig was born 18 July 1855. From what I can ascertain they had one child, Anna, who was born 19 September 1877 in Bobingen. There is always that remote possibility that he did emigrate later to the United States unbeknownst to the rest of the family. Regards Sarah Adams

Ralph Kroehler wrote: Belum is in the very northern part of Germany. In fact east of Cuxhaven and on the North Sea. We were there several years ago and it is very interesting. But - of course- so far their records have not been copied. The duplicate Kirchenbuch records for Belum have been microfilmed and are available through the LDS Family History Center. The film numbers and the content are: Taufen, Trauungen, Tote, Konfirmanden 1715- 1726, 1746, 1751-1752, 1759-1763, 1765-1775 - FHL INTL Film [ 1188944 Item 2 ] Retake for 1188945 und 1188946 (Belum, Bevern, Beverstedt) - FHL INTL Film [ 1188945 Item 1 ] Taufen, Trauungen, Tote, Konfirmanden 1775- 1852 - FHL INTL Film [ 1188945 Item 2 ] Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio