Your message was received. Merry Christmas!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hickman" <drhickmann@hotmail.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [Pfalz] Test Message - throw away > Ever since I raised the question about the mail options I haven't seen a > message to the Pfalz list. > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

How about that! Thanks

I extracted some data from Roxheim-Bobenheim (Rheinland-Pfalz) records and just a few SCHNEIDER entries were included. I was not searching for SCHNEIDERs. I looked at 4 LDS Films (0367595, 0367596, 0367627, 0247666) for Roxheim which is now apparently a combination of Roxheim-Bobenheim. I don't know if this is of any use for you. The extractions are available on RootsWeb. Ed WILHELM EWGEN@aol.com

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dear researchers, let me introduce myself, my name is Ralf Stutzenberger, live here in Germany, origined in Ketsch, a village at the other side of the river rhine, opposite of Speyer. I research my family in Kaiserslautern and at the moment I do my research in Speyer in the "Landesarchiv". There are three archives in Speyer: one Landesarchiv and two church archives. They are different! Very different. Have a look at the homepage of the Landesarchiv http://www.landeshauptarchiv.de/speyer/ and here you can see in Parts what you can find there: http://www.archivdatenbank.lha-rlp.de/ Particular the civil-records of many many towns of the soutern Rheinland-Pfalz are kept here and can be researched without cost by yourself. They make you copys for paying a small fee. But else several churchbooks are kept here in a copy To get informations about immigrants from the Pfalz you should else try to contact the "Institut fuer pfaelzische Geschichte und Volkskunde" in Kaiserslautern. They keep a big "Auswanderungskartei mit rund 300.000 Blaetter" (300,000 filecards of immigrants) and are willing to help you with your first steps on your research. For checking german phrases you should look here: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ regards Ralf (Stutzenberger)

>Bill Steiner (researching Steiner family >from Erlenbach bei Kandel & surrounding >area) Hi Bill-- My 3ggrandmother was Sophie Steiner(in) (1766-1830) from Erlenbach bei Kandel. She married Georg Moser (1764-1830) from Mectersheim bei Speyer. Their son, Anton Moser (b.1806) married Barbera Adolf (b. 1811) & the family lived in Mectersheim. Their daughter Anna Elis. Moser (b.1841) married Michael Koch (1839) a Catholic shoemaker in Germersheim--these were my great grandparents. Their son Anton Koch (b.1873) married Juliana Lauper (Prot.) (b.1877)--these were my grandparents who lived in Germersheim. My father, Eugen(e) Koch (b.1906) left Germany as a sailor in 1924; came to New York in 1925; and later moved to Pottsville, PA where I now live. There is probably some connection with your Steiners, but I am not sure about how to establish it. Any thoughts?--LK http://community.webtv.net/LOKoch/LawrenceKochHomePage

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My dealings with Speyer were back in the dark ages - before people people owned computers and when the exchange rate made writing for records reasonable. I had sent a request to the civil authorities in Belheim, and they referred me to Speyer, saying "the older church books are there". I then sent a form letter from the "Genealogical Helper" which I could not entirely read, but which asked for a rather limited amount of material. I received a marriage record, a death record, and some extractions showing parents of the people I had asked about. I believe I might have gotten more had I been able to follow up with a self composed letter... but I was discouraged by the statement in the marriage (2d wife) document, that my ggggrandfather did not know where his parents were buried, and I assumed that if HE did not know that information, there was no way that I was going to find it. . But the Computer Era dawned and I was able to get the Bellheim films from the LDS church. There I found additional information about the ancestors of the names from Speyer, and even find an eversogreat uncle whose birth information gave me a new location (and film) for the "unburied" ancestors and led me to another hundred years of family in Wuertemburg. If only there were more films!.

There is also a Catholic archive! I visited it a couple years ago and was about to get copies of some microfilm records the LDS doesn't have. You need an appointment. A very nice nun helped me (although it helps if you speak German). Bill Steiner (researching the Steiner family in Erlenbach bei Kandel and surroundings)

I visited one of the Archives in Speyer this past spring. There are several The Archives for the Evangelisch Kirch at the Domstadt Cathedral, the land archives and the civil archives. You need an appointment for all. I must say the people were wonderful while helping me. Judy Christopher (nee Mueller of Speyer) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> To: <mmongoose@tds.net>; <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [Pfalz] Speyer Archives > family history information > Dear Barbara, I read your post/reply to the mail list with a great deal > of > interest. Two Rhein-Pfalz towns of my interest, Bad Durkheim & Ungstein, > are about as far from Speyer to the North-East as Bellheim is in the other > direction, to the South-West; perhaps just a little bit farther, in my > case. > > My question is this.... What specific information did you request of the > Archives in Speyer? Were you able to obtain emigration information > (permission to emigrate papers), vital records or perhaps something else > entirely? > > I keep thinking there must be some records for my family, who are in > various > towns & villages in this area ca. 1700s- 1800s, but I am at a loss to know > what to ask for and how to go about the search. In the past I have found > my > documentation using LDS/FHL films. Are the Speyer Archives concerned > strictly with the civil documentation? > > Any advice or direction would be a great assist. > > Bette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmongoose" <mmongoose@tds.net> > To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany > > >> Incidentally the first family record I received from the archives in >> Speyer for my Feigel family in Bellheim was written in French. The >> later ones (after Napoleon) were in German. But the same burgomeister >> (German name) had signed all of them. >> >> Barbara Rice >> >> FEIGEL DIETRICH BOLZ DESHLER ELZER ROTH VOLAND DIPPEL ?"Pardusin" > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Great tips -- Thanks!! I may be at a disadvantage for German since I am nearly deaf... I can read some German and French I do have one question: Are there additional records for Otterstadt, Waldsee, Dudenhofen and Heiligenstein/Berghausen housed at the archives in Speyer? mmongoose <mmongoose@tds.net> wrote: My dealings with Speyer were back in the dark ages - before people people owned computers and when the exchange rate made writing for records reasonable. I had sent a request to the civil authorities in Belheim, and they referred me to Speyer, saying "the older church books are there". I then sent a form letter from the "Genealogical Helper" which I could not entirely read, but which asked for a rather limited amount of material. I received a marriage record, a death record, and some extractions showing parents of the people I had asked about. I believe I might have gotten more had I been able to follow up with a self composed letter... but I was discouraged by the statement in the marriage (2d wife) document, that my ggggrandfather did not know where his parents were buried, and I assumed that if HE did not know that information, there was no way that I was going to find it. . But the Computer Era dawned and I was able to get the Bellheim films from the LDS church. There I found additional information about the ancestors of the names from Speyer, and even find an eversogreat uncle whose birth information gave me a new location (and film) for the "unburied" ancestors and led me to another hundred years of family in Wuertemburg. If only there were more films!. ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps the story that the family moved was merely a misunderstanding in a later generation - the political boundaries DID move; Possibly the family did not. It would be similar to tracing records of US pioneers, who often lived (and are recorded) in many different counties without moving from their original homesteads as new counties were cut off from older ones when populations expanded. Incidentally the first family record I received from the archives in Speyer for my Feigel family in Bellheim was written in French. The later ones (after Napoleon) were in German. But the same burgomeister (German name) had signed all of them. Barbara Rice FEIGEL DIETRICH BOLZ DESHLER ELZER ROTH VOLAND DIPPEL ?"Pardusin"

Dear Barbara, I read your post/reply to the mail list with a great deal of interest. Two Rhein-Pfalz towns of my interest, Bad Durkheim & Ungstein, are about as far from Speyer to the North-East as Bellheim is in the other direction, to the South-West; perhaps just a little bit farther, in my case. My question is this.... What specific information did you request of the Archives in Speyer? Were you able to obtain emigration information (permission to emigrate papers), vital records or perhaps something else entirely? I keep thinking there must be some records for my family, who are in various towns & villages in this area ca. 1700s- 1800s, but I am at a loss to know what to ask for and how to go about the search. In the past I have found my documentation using LDS/FHL films. Are the Speyer Archives concerned strictly with the civil documentation? Any advice or direction would be a great assist. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "mmongoose" <mmongoose@tds.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Intro & Q: French Jews in Germany > Incidentally the first family record I received from the archives in > Speyer for my Feigel family in Bellheim was written in French. The > later ones (after Napoleon) were in German. But the same burgomeister > (German name) had signed all of them. > > Barbara Rice > > FEIGEL DIETRICH BOLZ DESHLER ELZER ROTH VOLAND DIPPEL ?"Pardusin"

Sarah, Can you tell us what your handy guide is called? I would like to look it up myself. --Marybeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "SARAH ADAMS" <ladyaedin@prodigy.net> > I have a handy guide at home that has some nice tips on researching the > French occupation and it has the Republic Calendar. A very handy tool. I > am at work right now so I do not have access to it. > Sarah

Alan, The entire west side of the Rhein River was controlled by France during the years of the Napoleonic Wars, around 1802 to 1814. I don't know the exact dates. Maybe someone else does. Marybeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan J. Kleipass" <aj@rockycrater.org> > So, was there a specific time period in the 1800s where French Jews -- > or the French in general -- were moving to Germany? Or was the area > around Bendorf ever occupied or controlled by the French? > > ~Alan J. Kleipass~

Hi Karen, I am tracing the MENG surname also. My MENG line left the Lorraine/ Pfalz area in the 1770's and emigrated to Austria-Hungary. I would like to try to find the town that they came from. Is there any connection with your MENG family? Johann MENG, wife unknown children: Margaretha, born abt. 1752 Heinrich, born abt. 1754 Katherina (Catharina), born abt. 1756 Genoveva, born abt. 1758 Margaretha married Johann Nikolaus STOFLE in St. Hubert, Austria- Hungary 5 May 1772 Catharina married Johann Claudius STOFLE in St. Hubert, Austria- Hungary 26 Nov 1776 Catharina is my 3x great grandmother --Karen > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:51:15 -0600 > From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Pfalz] MENGER in Worms > To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001c717b3$a6947340$6701a8c0@KAREN> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The MENG family I'm trying to find include" > > Conrad MENG b.1785 and residing in Monsheim before emigrating in 1837. > Emigrated with his wife, Elizabetha MUELLER and children > Conrad b 1816 > Ludwig b 1818 > Catherine b. abt 1820 > Elizabetha Margaret b. Jul 1820 > John b. 19 Mar 1827 > > Wilhelm MENG b. 1810 and residing in Mertesheim before emigrating > in 1848. > 1st marriage to Maria SCHREIBER > 2nd marriage to Henrietta MUENCH > Friedrich b. abt 1844 > Christina b. 16 Mar 1841 > Louis b. 1837, son of Wilhelm

Dear Listers, Recently, we located the birth place of my husband's 2nd great-grandmother in the christening entry of two of her daughters in Kleindeutschland in Manhattan, New York. We were thrilled to finally have this information. The pastor had recorded that she was from Bobenheim in Rheinbaiern. While visiting in Salt Lake City, I tried to find her records in Bobenheim am Rhein, but I did not have any luck. I searched Grossniedesheim and Worms Protestant records, but I did not find an entry for her. Now, I plan on trying the Bobenheim am Berg records for her. My question is where do I write for her emigration papers for permission to emigrate to America. We think that she left with her Family about 1842. Thank you for any help. Karla --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

Karen Meng wrote: >First of all, I am sorry to send this to the list, but I do not have an >address for Bob. > As I wrote to Don Hickman this list is Reply-to-List; so sending your replies to the list is the proper thing to do. However you should be able to copy my address from the list message you received into your mail composition in Outlook by clicking on my name and address or just clicking on my name if that is all that shows. >The information that I provided comes from census information for St. Clair >Co, IL. Also, we found the old MENG cemetery, and the tombstone of Wilhelm >is in remarkably good condition. It indicates that he was born in 1810 and >died in 1850. We found the ship's list showing that he came through New >Orleans on 22 Jan 1848. Havre was the port of departure. Sadly, he only >lived for two years after his arrival. Also, I have found his two marriages >on FHC microfilms for Ebertsheim and the birth of Louis MENG, Wilhelm's son, >on the IGI. > Generally a birth date on a gravestone has a low surety as it was carved based on information the carver thought he heard when he was told by someone who may not have first hand knowledge.

First of all, I am sorry to send this to the list, but I do not have an address for Bob. Karen Bob, Thanks for checking this. I have already written Vicki Galloway, and I have tried to call her with no luck--even using white pages on the Internet. Either she is deceased or has moved without a forwarding address. The information that I provided comes from census information for St. Clair Co, IL. Also, we found the old MENG cemetery, and the tombstone of Wilhelm is in remarkably good condition. It indicates that he was born in 1810 and died in 1850. We found the ship's list showing that he came through New Orleans on 22 Jan 1848. Havre was the port of departure. Sadly, he only lived for two years after his arrival. Also, I have found his two marriages on FHC microfilms for Ebertsheim and the birth of Louis MENG, Wilhelm's son, on the IGI. A distant relative copied Conrad MENG's passport for me. It was issued in Darmstadt and shows that he lived in Monsheim, District Worms. The passport was issued by "his Royal Highness, Grand Duke of Rhein-Hesse." Also, I found him (microfilm) on a ship's list. He arrived 1 Aug 1837 in New York on the Ship Manchester. The port of departure was Havre, and he arrived in New York.. Although I have no solid evidence that Conrad was Wilhelm's father, census information shows that after Wilhelm's death, his son, Louis, resided with Elizabetha MUELLER MENG, Conrad's elderly widow. I believe that she was Louis's paternal grandmother. Karen -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bob gillis Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:38 PM To: Karen Meng Subject: Re: [Pfalz] MENGER in Worms the only conrad meng in FamilySearch is an AF submission by:Vickki Galloway. her addres is in the submitter detail. write her. 2120 E 45TH SPOKANE WA 99223 Nothing in a Wilhelm born circa 1810. Where did you get the inforatmion you have given? bob gillis

the only conrad meng in FamilySearch is an AF submission by:Vickki Galloway. her addres is in the submitter detail. write her. 2120 E 45TH SPOKANE WA 99223 Nothing in a Wilhelm born circa 1810. Where did you get the inforatmion you have given? bob gillis Karen Meng wrote: >First of all, I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you immediately. We've >had an ice storm and no power plus other issues. > >Actually, I am looking for MENG. I am just wondering about why I have found >MENG, MENGE, MENGER, and MENGES in the same area. I was trying to determine >if they might all be related with a surname variation based on Latin or some >other factor. Also, name variations happen over time. > >The MENG family I'm trying to find include" > >Conrad MENG b.1785 and residing in Monsheim before emigrating in 1837. > Emigrated with his wife, Elizabetha MUELLER and children > Conrad b 1816 > Ludwig b 1818 > Catherine b. abt 1820 > Elizabetha Margaret b. Jul 1820 > John b. 19 Mar 1827 > >Wilhelm MENG b. 1810 and residing in Mertesheim before emigrating in 1848. > 1st marriage to Maria SCHREIBER > 2nd marriage to Henrietta MUENCH > Friedrich b. abt 1844 > Christina b. 16 Mar 1841 > Louis b. 1837, son of Wilhelm >