Karen Grossart wrote: >I found Ginsweiler but need to find the church town for it. I >have not identified "Naumburg an der Nahe" yet. Does anyone know >where that might be? > I do not see a Naumburg on the Nahe River in my German Raod Atlas nor on my Pfalz area map.. Send a message to geo@genealogy.net conisting of : naumburg ginsweiler other places you are looking for. You will get by return mail the political, latitiude and longitude information for your places. Iif Nauburg is now part of another town it may say so. bob gillis

Steve I am looking for information on the Roemer family that came to U.S. in the 1840's or 50's and settled in Illinois near Chicago. I have researched the records of the town they were reported to have come from in Germany but found no Roemers in the catholic records. From the records I read on microfilm at the local family history center, it looked like the family I am researching had changed their name to Roemer when they came to this country but have no proof of that. Do you have information on this Roemer family that settled in New Trier Township, Illinois? Evelyn from Michigan

Greetings, I have recently received some new information on my GROSSART / H line: Peter GROSSARTH, the son of Johann Nikolaus GROSSARTH of Disibodenberger Hof by Odernheim am Glan went to Naumburg according to his marriage to Dorothea KÖNIG of Odernheim. "Peter Grossarth Laut Lutherischem Kirchenbuch von Odernheim Herrschaftlicher Mieter (Beständer) zu Naumburg (Naumburg an der Nahe oder Naumburger Hof bei Ginsweiler. Kinder 1. Peter verheiratet am 24.1.1745 zu Odernheim mit Dorothea König Tochter von Paul König von Odernheim Rotgerber." I would like to find the birth record for Peter II, who from other records was born about 1720. He died in Rosspollenbach by Weierbach, Sankt Wendel, Rheinland. I found Ginsweiler but need to find the church town for it. I have not identified "Naumburg an der Nahe" yet. Does anyone know where that might be? Thanks for any help, Karen Grossart

I am researching ancestors from DIRMSTEIN and LAUMERSHEIM. In Dirmstein, I am seeking information on WEIS(S), ROTHERMEL (sp??) and BIHN families. In Laumersheim, I am researching the TRAU and ROEMER families. I have traveled to these areas in 1999 and am willing to share information with others who have an interest. I am also interested in knowing more about the religions of those areas in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Thank you, Steve Steve Frank Tiffin, Ohio SFrank@woh.rr.com

Karen, The LDS Pedigree Resource Files at FamilySearch show 2 others researching that same Mathias Weinmueller. You might contact them to see if they have had any success. (Names and addresses are in the online records.) At 12:00 AM 12/31/2006, you wrote: >From: Karen Preston <Karen@golden-hills.com> >Subject: [Pfalz] Weinmueller/Weinmuller >To: pfalz@rootsweb.com > >Is anyone on the List researching the Weinmueller surname? > >I am looking for the town of origin of Mathias Weinmueller, born >about 1722, married to Catharine, born about 1725. > >They emigrated to Austria-Hungary around 1770 with 2 sons, Johann & >Johann Michael. All I know is that Mathias was listed as "from the >Pfalz". > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >--Karen

Is anyone on the List researching the Weinmueller surname? I am looking for the town of origin of Mathias Weinmueller, born about 1722, married to Catharine, born about 1725. They emigrated to Austria-Hungary around 1770 with 2 sons, Johann & Johann Michael. All I know is that Mathias was listed as "from the Pfalz". Any help is greatly appreciated! --Karen

Thanks Bob for the information. I'm just getting started with my Germany research. Marge Birk

Dear Ann Messecar METZGER means butcher. You probably know that. In "Friesenheimer Bürgerbuch. Die Einwohner von Friesenheim 1584-1814" von Oskar POLLER in "Zur Geschichte der Stadt Ludwigshaften am Rhein" is also mentioned some MEZGER and METZGER: Page 115: 780. MEZGER, Johannes aus Stockstadt, married Magdalena NN. Daughter: Anna Elisabetha MEZGER, married 11.02.1749 in Friesenheim Jacob HOFFMANN aus Viernheim. 781. MEZGER, Maria Anna died 20.05.1752 in Friesenheim. She was a servant, and she was burried 21.05.1752. 782. MEZGER, NN married Francisca NN. Son: Ambrosius MEZGER, died 10.04.1757 in Friesenheim, and he was burried the same day. Age: about 4 years old. 783. METZGER, Johann Leonhard, died 10.03.1784 in Friesenheim, 56 years old ("Wiehhirte auf der Gräfenau), he married Susanna LANG, who died 16.04.1796 in Friesenheim (not of catholic religion), she was a widow and 64 years, 11 months and 8 days old. They had 3 children (at least): 1. Christina METZGER, christened 03.01.1765 in Friesenheim (Christian METZGER, her fathers brother was a godparent) 2. Maria Magdalena METZGER, christened 07.07.1767 in Friesenheim (Maria Margaretha BLASIUS in Frankenthal was a godparent). She marrieed 21.11.1787 in Friesenheim Josef KAST, Teacher in Friesenheim. 3. Johann Jacob METZGER, born and christened 25.12.1770 in Friesenheim (Johann Jacob KÜHN and Regina were godparents). The name BLEUZET, BLEZE, BLEUSET (perhaps related to BLASIUS) are found in Mannheim area. These people could be of french reformed religion (calvinists). It is mentioned, that Susanne LANG was not of catholic religion. Elisabeth BLEUSET, was married bef. Aug. 1674 in Frankenthal to Jean MICHÉE from Metz, Alsace-Lorraine Province, France. He was clearly a huguenot. Wilhelm Beuleke: "Die Hugenottenkolonie zu Strasburg in der Uckermark" in Geschichtsblätter des Deutschen Hugenotten-Vereins e.v. XVIII. Zehnt, Heft 9/10. 1982, Page 43: "Jean Michée. Grosgrainweber und Tabakplantzer aus Metz, reg. Frankenthal 1674 (11), Mannheim 1678 (10), Carlsdorf 1690 (6), Strasburg 1691 (1), das er bald wieder wegen Überfüllung verlässt, um im Okt. 1692 (15) Bürger der Pfälzer Kolonie in Magdeburg mit Frau und 5 Kinder zu werden; geh. vor Aug. 1674 (11) Elis. Bleuzet aus Bléharies in Belg.-Hennegau (W); E. v. Nr. 167.". He was a weaver and tabacco planter from Metz, who was registered in Frankenthal, Mannheim, Rgeinland-Pfalz, then Carlsdorf, Hessen. He came to Strasburg and went to Magdeburg because of too many people in Strasburg. He was married to Elisabeth BLEUZET, from Belgian Hennegau (Hainaut); she was probably a Walloon. My ancestors LOUISON were often called LUDVIGSEN in Denmark, so the French names were often "Massacre"d in other countries, but not so bad, if the newcomers stayed in colonies and used their own language in church registers. Then the vicar and some of the people were able to spell in French. In french reformed churchbook of Mannheim Marguerithe METZGER married BRUGLÉ in 1794. Friendly greetings Hanne Thorup Koudal, Denmark

Dear Valorie - Thank you for the good suggestion. I always think of looking for names on the Mormon site, but never thought to do a place search! Thanks! Ann Valorie Zimmerman <valoriez@zimres.net> wrote: On Thursday 28 December 2006 5:56 am, Ann Messecar wrote: > Dear List members, > Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel > Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 > on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from > "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in > Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal > location. > > I have three questions: > Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more > information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in > this area? > Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? > Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. > Ann Messecar Ann, I always take the easy way out, and just see what the LDS has filmed. When I did a "place search" of the Family History Library Catalog, for Frankenthal, I see: Place search results: Frankenthal Germany, Preußen, Pommern, Frankenthal Germany, Sachsen, Frankenthal Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) If this was my search, I would look carefully at all the film titles for ALL of these places, and see if anything popped out at me as sounding or looking familiar. If none of them did, then I would start with Frankenthal, Frankenthal, and hope that they have films for records that early. For more about how to use the FHL Catalog, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html All the best, Valorie ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Ann, Have you considered the common German name of METZGER/MEZGER? The online LDS Family History Library catalog at FamilySearch shows the church and civil records for Frankenthal have been microfilmed and are available for rent at your local LDS Family History Center. There are 5 churches listed in the catalog with records that cover the early 1600s. (BTW, records in the LDS FHL catalog for this area are identified as part of the Kingdom of Bavaria.) Be forewarned that Frankenthal is a "county seat" and as such your Michiel may have given that as a reference point for a nearby village. ShtetlSeeker shows there are about 125 villages within 10 miles. At 12:00 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: >From: Ann Messecar <annmess28@yahoo.com> >Subject: [Pfalz] Michiel Mesger/Miscaer/Mesker from Frankenthal >To: PFALZ@rootsweb.com > >Dear List members, > Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, > Michiel Mesger, > had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in > 1647 on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier > from "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." > There are records in Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) > confirming his Frankenthal location. > > I have three questions: > Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find > more information on Michiel? > How does one locate the names of the parishes in this area? > Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? > Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. > Ann Messecar > > Mesger, Messer, Miscaer, Mesker, Massiker, Massecar, Masseker, Etc. > Yes, the name was even "Massacre"d!

On Thursday 28 December 2006 5:56 am, Ann Messecar wrote: > Dear List members, > Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel > Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 > on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from > "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in > Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal > location. > > I have three questions: > Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more > information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in > this area? > Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? > Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. > Ann Messecar Ann, I always take the easy way out, and just see what the LDS has filmed. When I did a "place search" of the Family History Library Catalog, for Frankenthal, I see: Place search results: Frankenthal Germany, Preußen, Pommern, Frankenthal Germany, Sachsen, Frankenthal Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Carlsberg (BA. Frankenthal) Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Frankenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Heuchelheim (BA. Frankenthal) Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Kirchheim a. Eck (BA. Frankenthal) Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Mühlheim (BA. Frankenthal) Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) Germany, Bayern, Tiefenthal (BA. Frankenthal) If this was my search, I would look carefully at all the film titles for ALL of these places, and see if anything popped out at me as sounding or looking familiar. If none of them did, then I would start with Frankenthal, Frankenthal, and hope that they have films for records that early. For more about how to use the FHL Catalog, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html All the best, Valorie

MEBirk@aol.com wrote: >Hope this gets to you Rudy Flack. You mentioned earlier a great atlas which >could be purchased over the internet directly from the publisher: >Deutschland ADAC MaxiAtlas; however, what is the internet address to connect to that >publisher? Do you remember how much the large sized version cost so that I >have an idea as to the expense involved? > The atlas is available from this web site in the USA: http://www.travelessentials.com. You can find this by going to RootsWeb Mailing List Archives <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/>, > Beta Search, > Advanced and enter ADAc in body and Pfalz in list name. Cost is $23.95 +shipping. bob gillis

Hope this gets to you Rudy Flack. You mentioned earlier a great atlas which could be purchased over the internet directly from the publisher: Deutschland ADAC MaxiAtlas; however, what is the internet address to connect to that publisher? Do you remember how much the large sized version cost so that I have an idea as to the expense involved? Thanks for any help you can give. I tried going on Google and doing a search for Deutschland ADAC; but it led me back to the _pfalz@rootweb.com_ (mailto:pfalz@rootweb.com) site. I didn't know if I could write you direct at your e-mail address and if so, please let me know. Thank you. Marge Birk

Dear List members, Recently I came across the information that our family ancestor, Michiel Mesger, had sailed with Peter Stuyvesant to New Amsterdam, arriving in 1647 on the ship De Princess Amelia. He signed on as a soldier from "Frankendael (Frankenthal) in Rheinish Bavaria." There are records in Amsterdam and in New Amsterdam (New York) confirming his Frankenthal location. I have three questions: Are parish records in Frankenthal the only place I might find more information on Michiel? How does one locate the names of the parishes in this area? Has anyone on this list ever run across "Mesger" in early 1600s research? Any ideas are appreciated! Thank you very much. Ann Messecar Mesger, Messer, Miscaer, Mesker, Massiker, Massecar, Masseker, Etc. Yes, the name was even "Massacre"d! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thank you, Fred! Merry Christmas! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com>; "Joan Born" <joanb5@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: Nenzenheim, Bavaria Joan, ShtetlSeeker shows Nenzenheim is in the Kingdom of Bavaria not far from Würzburg. There are 2 Puderbachs, one in the Pfalz area (Kr. Neuwied) and one not far away in the Westfalen area (about 43 miles away). Nenzenheim is 135.6 miles ESE of the Pfalz Puderbach. At 12:00 AM 12/14/2006, you wrote: >From: "Joan Born" <joanb5@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Nenzenheim, Bavaria >To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> > >Everyone is out Christmas shopping!! > >Is the above city located in the Pfalz area?? How about Puderbach, >Germany? > >Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: > >BORN, HERRMANN from the above areas

Joan, ShtetlSeeker shows Nenzenheim is in the Kingdom of Bavaria not far from Würzburg. There are 2 Puderbachs, one in the Pfalz area (Kr. Neuwied) and one not far away in the Westfalen area (about 43 miles away). Nenzenheim is 135.6 miles ESE of the Pfalz Puderbach. At 12:00 AM 12/14/2006, you wrote: >From: "Joan Born" <joanb5@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Nenzenheim, Bavaria >To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> > >Everyone is out Christmas shopping!! > >Is the above city located in the Pfalz area?? How about Puderbach, Germany? > >Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: > >BORN, HERRMANN from the above areas

Send a message to geo@genealogy.net consisting of Nenzenheim Puderbach and you will get info on the places by return e-mail. bob gillis Joan Born wrote: >Everyone is out Christmas shopping!! > >Is the above city located in the Pfalz area?? How about Puderbach, Germany? > >Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: > >BORN, HERRMANN from the above areas > > > > > > > > >********* >Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Joan Born wrote: >Everyone is out Christmas shopping!! > >Is the above city located in the Pfalz area?? > No > How about Puderbach, Germany? > No bob gillis

Ever since I raised the question about the mail options I haven't seen a message to the Pfalz list.

Everyone is out Christmas shopping!! Is the above city located in the Pfalz area?? How about Puderbach, Germany? Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: BORN, HERRMANN from the above areas >