Thank you very much Marti

<div class="moz-text-flowed"> I wrote and I don't know where the above came from Look for people who lived near the Brunners and whose origin was Bavaria and Switzerland. I would think Bavaria is more likely because it was recorded nearer to his birth. Follow these neighbors as they might have come from the same town or area a the Brunners. In the 1880 Census there is a Henry Brunner, age 45, shoemaker born Switzerland and wife Mary age 43. their eldest was ae 24 born in OH. follow this family the earlier Census. > > I have no idea when they immigrated or if their parents immigrated/ I read the 1860 Census Frederick and Christina and all the children were born in Europe and emigrated in 1858 or 1859. I think 0 is a zero written later and not an O for Ohio. I think it mos likely that you will find the Brunners entered through New York. go to http://www.stevemorse.org/ and scroll down to Castle Garden and search for the Brunners, father, mother an children. I think he `1850s PALs will show country of origin. It is possible that they entered though Canada. either Quebec or Montreal. Look in later Census to see is the children and perhaps the parents were naturalized. If so get the naturalization record which may show country of origin. >What do the later Census say about the birthplace of Samuel and >Christina, the daughter? Where had the Brunners gone by 1880?. I do no find Samuel, Peter or Alfred in Cayuhoga County in 1880. In you original message you said Christina was bon about 1869.. So she was the second Christina, the one born c1849 must have died before 1870. bob gillis

I found this in Cleveland's Obit file. Jeanne Id#: 0040991 Name: Brunner, Godfrey J. Date: Dec 4 1939 Source: Source unknown Notes: Brunner: Godfrey J., beloved husband of Alice M., father of Myrtle Leisk, Emanuel G. Brunner, Washington, D. C., Gladys Rannow of Athens, O., and grandfather; residence 1335 W. 89th. Friends may call at Wm. R. & Roy A. Daniels' Funeral Home, 15800 Detroit ave., where services will be held Monday, Dec. 4, at 3 p. m. (http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/BookMark?sessionid=01-4919-1585903100&action=delete&next=html/obit_saved.html&name=necrRS1FR104) 2. Saved Record from Search: na: (Brunner) Id#: 0040989 Name: Brunner, Frederick Date: 1920 Source: Source unknown Notes: age 67. Alger Cemetery Cleveland, Ohio. (http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/BookMark?sessionid=01-4919-1585903100&action=delete&next=html/obit_saved.html&name=necrRS1FR105) 3. Saved Record from Search: na: (Brunner) Id#: 0040988 Name: Brunner, Fred C. Date: 4/24/1889 Source: Cemetery record Notes: age 71. Monroe Cemetery Cleveland, Ohio. (http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/BookMark?sessionid=01-4919-1585903100&action=delete&next=html/obit_saved.html&name=necrRS1FR127) 4. Saved Record from Search: na: (Brunner) Id#: 0040966 Name: Brunner, Christina Date: October 28, 1900 Source: Source unknown Notes: Brunner-Christina, aged 76 years, widow of Fred C. Brunner, October 26. Funeral from residence, No. 2 Dearborn st., Monday at 2 o'clock, standard. Friends invited. (http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/BookMark?sessionid=01-4919-1585903100&action=delete&next=html/obit_saved.html&name=necrRS1FR142) 5. Saved Record from Search: na: (Brunner) Id#: 0040951 Name: Brunner, Private Albert Clyde Date: October 1, 1922 Source: Source unknown Notes: Brunner-Private Albert Clyde, Company C., 117th infantry, Thirtieth Division, formerly Company B. 331st Infantry, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. William F. Brunner. Funeral from late residence, 3419 Library avenue, Tuesday, October 3, at 2:30 p. m. One who gave his life in this great World War. Interment Monroe Street cemetery. Military funeral.

CMHause@aol.com wrote: >C. Frederick Brunner born abt 1817 is probably the great great Grandfather of >my husband. He married Christine Nafsker (sp) b abt 1824. Children Samuel b >abt 1852, Peter Brunner b abt 1856, Frederick b abt 1858, Albert Brunner b >Sept 13, 1861 b in ohio or Germania d 1926 in Cleveland Ohio, Godfrey Brunner b >1864, Elizabeth, b 1866, christine b Abt 1869, Christian b abt 1849. > There is no Samuel Brunner in Ohio in the 1880 Census on FS <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp> Did C Frederick migrate to the USA.? is so where did he live? where were the children born? Have you searchd in FamilySearch for the children and in rootsweb.com and Goggled that names? have you aksed on the Brunner list and/or message board? > >Family legend is that he was from Switzerland. Any information on when he >emigrated to USA, town where he was from, and any living relatives appreciated. > What evidence do you have that he came from the Pfalz or Palatinate in western Gemany? >Most of our information has come from Census and family data from the Albert >Brunner family. > You have not asked a qeustion or asked for any information. Start with the family information you can find records on and work backwardon all family membrs through the Census, Passenger Arrivals, etc bob gillis

This was sent to the -admin address in error. To post to the list, send email to pfalz@rootsweb.com Valorie ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re Michael Kraus Date: Sunday 28 January 2007 07:45 From: Rosemary Mohn <misticdaz@yahoo.com> To: PFALZ-admin@rootsweb.com I am not sure, just trying all of my sources. It as far as I know is a story@ that has been handed down through the generations on our family. So far, everything else has worked out. But, I can't even find where he is buried. Rose

C. Frederick Brunner born abt 1817 is probably the great great Grandfather of my husband. He married Christine Nafsker (sp) b abt 1824. Children Samuel b abt 1852, Peter Brunner b abt 1856, Frederick b abt 1858, Albert Brunner b Sept 13, 1861 b in ohio or Germania d 1926 in Cleveland Ohio, Godfrey Brunner b 1864, Elizabeth, b 1866, christine b Abt 1869, Christian b abt 1849 Family legend is that he was from Switzerland. Any information on when he emigrated to USA, town where he was from, and any living relatives appreciated. Most of our information has come from Census and family data from the Albert Brunner family. Thank you Marti Wenk Hause

Debby Anderson wrote: >Hi, > >Now that I know that I have the correct list.... Thank you Bob Gillis > >I am researching the Georg Baumgartner Family > >Georg Baumgartner born Abt. 1786 >Josepha Eva born abt 1787 >Both are born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany > What are the sources of your information? The Jockgrim Catholic church records? I do not find the birth of Georg Baumgartner 1784 - 1786 in Bayern let alone the Pfalz on FamilySearch. > >I do have information on this family if anyone needs some info. But what I >am lacking is PICTURES! Beware this list is long.... > Until the late 1840s unless a person was rich enough or famous enough to have a portrait painted, you probably wont find a picture of Georg and Josepha. You do not give information about the children, where born or, where they emigrated to. There is more likelihood that there might be pictures of the children but they would be taken when and where they were adults. bob gillis

Debby, Photography was not in common use until the later 1800s. Prior to that it would have been an expensive painting. It is highly unlikely you will find any images of those families until you find others researching the same families: Your best chance to find images is to find cousins, which should come first. It is common for many listers to help others find information about their families. However, there are several issues of your presentation that has turned me (and perhaps others on the list) away from even helping you. Primarily, the overwhelming amount of information that lack dates (even estimated) and places. Also, the lack of information about where you found these data (so we do not retrace your research). In addition, when posting genealogy related queries, it is standard practice to use all caps for all surnames (to make them stand out for list skimmers, and potential cousins, to easily see). (There is also a genealogy standard practice for subject lines, to which I have changed yours.) To find cousins or other researching your family, please concentrate on one family and supply all the details you know about them: full names, dates, places, religion, and where you found information about them. Note: when posting a query to a regional mail list or message board, the query should relate exclusively to that region. At 12:00 AM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >From: "Debby Anderson" <dorscherfamily@gmail.com> >Subject: [Pfalz] Baumgartner, Georg Family > >Hi, > >Now that I know that I have the correct list.... Thank you Bob Gillis > >I am researching the Georg Baumgartner Family > >Georg Baumgartner born Abt. 1786 >Josepha Eva born abt 1787 >Both are born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany > >I do have information on this family if anyone needs some info. But what I >am lacking is PICTURES! Beware this list is long.... > >These are the pictures I need. If you have any pictures of the Baumgartner >family could you please email them to DorscherFamily@gmail.com >You can send me as many as you like, I LOVE pictures, they tell the story so >much more then words! > >Here we go... > >Georg Baumgartner abt. 1786 >Josepha Eva abt. 1787 (By the way, does anyone know Josepha Eva's last >name?) > >There Children >Franz Baumgartner abt. 1809 >Marianna Baumgartner abt. 1812 >Rosina Baumgartner abt. 1814

Rosemary Mohn wrote: >I am searching for information on a Charles Michael Kraus or Karl Michel Kraus, born 14 June 1745. I have been told he was born in Worms, Germany and left as stowaways on a > ship with two of his brother's. > Have you looked for him at FS <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp>? There is no Karl/Charles Krause born 1745 in Bayern Germany on FS. What is the source of your information and does your source have their sources? The three brothers stories are usually found to be fables. bob gillis

Hi Bob, Thank you for the information on the pictures. I have the Baumgartner Coat of Arms Book and most of the information was from there. This is my problem I can't seem to find any place else where information would be found on Georg or his decendents. BUT I will keep on searching.... Thanks Debby On 1/28/07, bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Debby Anderson wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Now that I know that I have the correct list.... Thank you Bob Gillis > > > >I am researching the Georg Baumgartner Family > > > >Georg Baumgartner born Abt. 1786 > >Josepha Eva born abt 1787 > >Both are born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany > > > > What are the sources of your information? The Jockgrim Catholic church > records? > > I do not find the birth of Georg Baumgartner 1784 - 1786 in Bayern let > alone the Pfalz on FamilySearch. > > > > >I do have information on this family if anyone needs some info. But > what I > >am lacking is PICTURES! Beware this list is long.... > > > > Until the late 1840s unless a person was rich enough or famous enough to > have a portrait painted, you probably wont find a picture of Georg and > Josepha. > > You do not give information about the children, where born or, where > they emigrated to. There is more likelihood that there might be > pictures of the children but they would be taken when and where they > were adults. > > bob gillis > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Now that I know that I have the correct list.... Thank you Bob Gillis I am researching the Georg Baumgartner Family Georg Baumgartner born Abt. 1786 Josepha Eva born abt 1787 Both are born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany I do have information on this family if anyone needs some info. But what I am lacking is PICTURES! Beware this list is long.... These are the pictures I need. If you have any pictures of the Baumgartner family could you please email them to DorscherFamily@gmail.com You can send me as many as you like, I LOVE pictures, they tell the story so much more then words! Here we go... Georg Baumgartner abt. 1786 Josepha Eva abt. 1787 (By the way, does anyone know Josepha Eva's last name?) There Children Franz Baumgartner abt. 1809 Marianna Baumgartner abt. 1812 Rosina Baumgartner abt. 1814 Franz Baumgartner and (Does anyone know his wifes name?) Children Anton Baumgartner Jacob Baumgartner Anton Baumgartner and Barbara Burgad, I need a picture of Barbara Burgad also Children Joseph Baumgartner Katherine Baumgartner and Anton Schneider, I need a picture of Anton Schneider also Rosalia Baumgartner and Schell, I need a picture of Schell, does anyone know Schell's first name Rosina Baumgartner Johannes Baumgartner I Franz Baumgartner Jacob Baumgartner Regina Baumgartner Eva Baumgartner Jacob Baumgartner does anyone know who he married Children John b. Baumgartner bernard Baumgartner Joseph Baumgartner Rosina Baumgartner and Michael Wald I, I need pictures of Michael Wald I also children John J Wald and Appolonia Usselmann, I need pictures of Appolonia Usselmann also Michael Wald II and Marie Boehm, I need pictures of Marie Boehm also Eva Wald and Frank Boehm, I need pictures of Boehm also Regina Wald and Martin Aberle, I need pictures of Martin Aberle also Barbara Wald and Fahn, I need pictures of Fahn also and does anyone know Fahn first name Katherine Wald and Peter Stach, I need pictures of Peter Stach INSTEAD OF SAYING "I NEED PICTURES ALSO" ABOUT A PERSONS SPOUSE, JUST REMEMBER I NEED PICTURES OF THEM Johannes Baumgartner I and Margaretta Braunagel Children Joseph Baumgartner and Katherine Schneider Anton J. Baumgartner and Martha Kraft Michael Baumgartner and Odelia Wolfe Franz Baumgartner and Margaret Thomas Children Anton Baumgartner and Mary Welter and Eva Rice Joseph baumgartner and Christina Schumacher barbara Baumgartner and Peter Schweister Margaret Baumgartner and Balzer Wald Katherine Baumgartner and Bernard Fix and Lorenz Klein Marrianna Baumgartner and Andrew Sherr Peter F. Baumgartner and Caroline Nold Christene Baumgartner and Sebastian Materi Franz Baumgartner Julianna Baumgartner Jacob Baumgartner and Christina Sherr Children Barbara Baumgartner and Joseph Welk Christine A. Baumgartner and Bill Angel Eva Baumgartner and Joseph Hartze Jacob Baumgartner and Florence (Does anyone know Florence's last name?) Katherine Baumgartner and John Roehrich Sebastian Baumgartner John A. Baumgartner and Mary Geifuzz Anton A Baumgartner and Adelaide Roehrich Frank J. Baumgartner and Mary F. Stach Regina Baumgartner and Michael Voeller Children Rosina Voeller and Jack Theres Marianna Voeller and Jack Theres Elizabeth Voeller and Mike Wikenheiser Anton Voeller and Kate Deckanhart Julia voeller and Henry Neitlingin Barbara Voeller and Steve Streifel Eva Baumgartner and Christian Merck Children Jacob Merck and Regina Boehm Julianna Merck and John Boechler Elizabeth Merck and Walter Volk Jennie Merck and Fred Kraft John Merck and Anna Leier Katherine Merck and JackKeller Tony Merck and Josephine Jaeger John B. Baumgartner and Katherine Schneider also Anton Schneider and Julia Matteri Children Julia Baumgartner Christine Baumgartner Mary Baumgartner Joseph Baumgartner Damian Baumgartner Barbara Baumgartner Martha Baumgartner Julia Baumgartner John Baumgartner Anthony Baumgartner Vincent Baumgartner Michael Baumgartner Anna Baumgartner Eva Baumgartner Mary Ann Baumgartner I know this alot to go through, but this is what I need. If anyone can help, I sure would appreciate it. You can send them to DorscherFamily@email.com or email me and I will give you my address. Thanks Debby

Debby Anderson wrote: >Hi, > >I am new to this list. > >I am researching the Georg Baumgartner and Josepha Eva family. Georg >Baumgartner was born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany. > >First I want to make sure I have the right list, if not can someone tell me >which list would Georg Baumgartner from Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, >Germany be under. > You are on the correct list. Germersheimer is in the Pfalz and AFAIK this is the only Pfalz list. I have changed you subject to a better and suggested format. bob gillis

I am searching for information on a Charles Michael Kraus or Karl Michel Kraus, born 14 June 1745. I have been told he was born in Worms, Germany and left as stowaways on a ship with two of his brother's. Rose --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!

Hi, I am new to this list. I am researching the Georg Baumgartner and Josepha Eva family. Georg Baumgartner was born in Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany. First I want to make sure I have the right list, if not can someone tell me which list would Georg Baumgartner from Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, Germany be under. Thanks Debby (Dorscher) Anderson DorscherFamily@gmail.com

I have been looking at church records from the Evangelischer Kirche of Goennheim in the Pfaltz (near Bad Duerkheim) from mid 18th century. I have come across several records containing the word "Universitaet". In one marriage record it apears after the name of both the Groom and his Father. In other records from the same period there is often an indication that the person was of Reformed or Mennonite confession (as oposed to Evangelischer) The definition of Universitaet that I have found is University but that doesn't make a lot of sense. I am not aware of any University in this area. You don't see many university educated farmers and smiths. If the person was connected with a university I would expect to see "Herr" and it does not appear. Has anyone seen records where Universitaet is used to signify a person belonging to a sect that believes in a doctrine of Universal Salvation or Universal Grace? This area was very diverse religiously with significant minority communities both Reformed and Mennonite. I would not be suprised to find other Pietist and Anabaptist sects present as well. Any other ideas of what this might indicate? Charles Laun

Look at www.rolf-freytag.de Michael -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von Godfrey Eardley Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Januar 2007 17:59 An: PFALZ@rootsweb.com Betreff: [Pfalz] Rudi Jung Can anyone tell me where I can get a Rudi Jung CD for this area ? Sonny ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look at www.rolf-freytag.de Michael -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von Godfrey Eardley Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Januar 2007 17:59 An: PFALZ@rootsweb.com Betreff: [Pfalz] Rudi Jung Can anyone tell me where I can get a Rudi Jung CD for this area ? Sonny ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob Thanks for replying to my inquiry regarding the Roemer family that I am researching. My Casper Roemer, with father Peter, was born in 1838 in Honnigen. His father was Peter, born 1792 in Honnigen and his mother, Agnes Kreucher, born in 1796 in Honnigen. Casper had brothers, Anton, born 1828 and Thomas born 1834. I have been unable to find anything on this family in the Honnigan catholic church records but did find the same names and approximate dates for family members named Krupps. Do you have any information on any of this that could be of help to me? Thanks Evelyn Michigan

Can anyone tell me where I can get a Rudi Jung CD for this area ? Sonny

ESelzerSch@aol.com wrote: >Steve > >I am looking for information on the Roemer family that came to U.S. in the >1840's or 50's and settled in Illinois near Chicago. > > >I have researched the records of the town they were reported to have come >from in Germany but found no Roemers in the catholic records. From the records I >read on microfilm at the local family history center, it looked like the >family I am researching had changed their name to Roemer when they came to this >country but have no proof of that. > Have you found where they entered the USA? Are they the Peter and Caspar Roemer? Was this town Laumersheim? The only Caspar Roemer with father Peter in Family Search was born/baptized in Eschweiler. bob gillis