Thistle - Rotterdam to Philadelphia, PA - October 28, 1738 List of foreigners imported in the bilander, Thistle, Geo. Houston, Commander, from Rotterdam, last from Cowes. Forty-two men, thirty-six boys, sixty-four women and girls - in al 142. Qualified Oct. 28, 1738. Columns represent Passenger Name Alt. Spelling/ Name Age Jacob Lants Jacob Lantz 28 my 5th or so great uncle Michael Lantz Michall Lants 22 another uncle Johannes Geiser Johanas Gyser 50 Peter Geiser Johanas Petter Gyser 17 Conrad Mehrsam Conerd Mareom or Conrad Mehriam 23 Peter Kocher Peter Coger or Petter Coker 38 Marcus Reminger Markes Remengar 38 Casper Masbuch Casper Maspeck or Gasper Maspech 29 Friederich Muller Fredrick Miller 26 Johann Jacob Dietz Jacob Teach 27 Hans Stegener Has Bern Stiganer or Hans Barrat Steggens 24 Hans Adam Fehler Hanse Adam Feleer 20 Joh. Wilhelm Bossler Hanse William Busler 23 Nicolas Liser Nicolas Leisser 22 Casper Frelich Christian Frelich or Christian Fireleigh 17 Ludwig Meier Loadwick Myre 25 Heinrich Jung Hendrick Young 38 Christian Gysler Cristian Gysler 21 Daniel Muller Daniele Miller 32 Michael Burn Michall Burn 39 Friederich Brotsman Fredrick Broatsman 42 Abraham Huntzicker Abraham Honshooker 23 Peter Huntzicker Peter Honshooker 53 Johannes Kleingenny Johanas Glyngan 44 Hans Martin Hertz Hanse Martin Frets 22 Hans Nicolas Ensminger Hanse Nicolas Hansmenger 39 Samuel Eberhart Kopp Samuell Overhard Coup 36 Gottfried Hardlacher Gottfried Harlacher or Godfret Hardlaker 20 Hans Peter Lantz Hans Petter Lants 30, my direct ancestor Hans Georg Tiech Hans Georg Dietz or Uriah Teach 40 Friderich Sculpes Hendrick Sculps 39 Georg Miller Uriah Miller 28 Johann Georg Grob Haneriagh Coup 28 Hans Jacob Sekefuss Hans Jacob Secefues or Hans Jacob Sefus 44 John Georg Lilie Hundrick Lillie 22 Johann Georg Delp Hundrick Tilp 20 Ludwig Joseph Biehel Loadwick Joseph Bialle 35 Johan Peter Stegel* Petter Stickle 19 Hans Georg Bintz Hansheria Benss or Hans Georg Lintz 36 Johan Georg Hess Hansheria Hess 31 Uhlerich Tiech Woldrich Teach or Uhlerich Dietz 56 Michael Tiech Michall Teach or Michael Dietz 19 Peter Dietz Under 16 Michael Stockhalter Under 16 Daniel Mischler Under 16 Wilhelm Stockhalter Under 16 Ludwig Ensminger Under 16 Philip Christian Kopp Under 16 Hans Nicolaus Lantz Under 16 Johann Lantz Under 16 Michael Kocher Under 16 Ulrich Karle Klein Under 16 Johann Christian Keyser Under 16 Andreas Heinrich Klein Under 16 Andreas Seifuss Under 16 Hans Christopher Seifuss Under 16 Henrich Seifus Under 16 Friederich Jacob Jung Under 16 Ulrich Jacob Jung Under 16 Christopher Henrich Jung Under 16 Johannes Jung Under 16 Daniel Rehsauer Under 16 Hans Adam Braun Under 16 Jacob Henrich Brotzmann Under 16 Ludwig Kopp Under 16 Caspar Stuckle Under 16 Daniel Skulpius Under 16 Hans Peter Lentz Under 16 Paul Herbold Under 16 Hans Adam Herbold* Under 16 Jacob Herbold Under 16 *Transcriber's note*: There is a second list compiled by the person administering the oath of allegiance. That list was written phonetically and is included as "Alt. Spelling/Name" No boys under 16 were included in this list (hence no alternate spelling). All passengers are from Rotterdam. *Correspondence Notes: "The name Johan Peter Stegel was spelled as Peter Stoeckel and as Peter Steckel in all of the documents I have found on this family." Lauri Steckel-Robinson March 11, 1999 "The last three people on the list, Paul, Hans and Jacob Herbold are ancestors. Hans Herbold is in my direct line." M. Harpold September 20, 1999 Correspondence 09/18/02 passengers Lantz The LANTZ spelling of the name is from a shortened version of Lanzknecth also seen as Landsknecth. After the revolution we see the name in a variety of phonetic variations such as LANTS, LENTZ, LANS, and LANCE. There were three adult LANTZ males who arrived aboard the Bilander Thistle. They were three brothers with the fourth brother remaining in Speyer Bavaria. It's unknown how large the family was and the identity of the parents of the three men although some suggest the father as Andrus Lantz. The three men, Jacob, Michael, and Hans Peter who was later known as John Peter arrived with others. Jacob was born in "Germany" 1710 and is recorded as having only one son, also Jacob who was born in Sussex Co. NJ. Now only one son in those times make me think there were many other children not recorded. No wife is mentioned in Jacob Lantz's book. Michael, born in "Germany" in 1716 married after he arrived in America. Hans Peter was born in "Germany" in 1708 and had sons, John Nicholas who was 8 at the time of arrival, John whose age is not given, and John Peter who was 2 years of age. Now the curious thing is that in Jacob Lant'z 1931 book there is no mention of the name of Han's wife though we know there were women in the party. Here again too I suspect we only know of a portion of the family of Hans Peter as many familles were much larger than 3 children. Laurence Lance Seattle

Hi Folks, A ship-load of 'Palatine Refugees' and Swiss Protestants came to Savannah, Georgia on December 20 & 21, 1737. The ship was the "Three Sisters", commanded by Captain Hewitt. It loaded at Rotterdam and stopped over at Cowes before proceeding on with the oceanic crossing. Dutch Island (near Savannah, Chatham County, Georgia) was named for my ancestral family and their neighbors, who were mostly German in origin. Many of those people were described as being from Pfalz / the Palatinate. However, it is known that some originated in Switzerland. Dale E. Reddick Surname variations: Radick, Raddick, Readick, Readdick, Redick, Reddick, Rettig, Rettige LinSig1941@aol.com wrote: > My gg grandfather embarked from Havre in 1840 on the Ship Burgundy > > ********* > Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >

My gg grandfather embarked from Havre in 1840 on the Ship Burgundy

The following info is submitted on my GGF Abraham Marsfelder (Age 14) and his sister Catherine (Age 18), How they traveled from Hinzweiler, Pfalz to London is unknown Point of Departure: London Country of origin: Deutschland Ship: Devonshire Captain Henry E. Harvey Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1850 Place of Arrival: NY Burthen 1199 80/95 tons Other Spellings: Moersfelder; Mersfelder (most used) Settled in Syracuse NY. Any info pertaining would be appreciated

In a message dated 1/31/2007 1:18:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, drhickmann@hotmail.com writes: Jim, I have some information on Heilman that I kept because the name was similar to my ancestor's (Heckmann). So here it is for what it's worth to Thanks very much for your response. The origin of my Heilman line in Germany is my greatest mystery. Your information may be helpful. Jim

It might be helpful if we share the names of ships on which our immigrant ancestors traveled. This might help list members find ancestors with variant or misspelled names. Fortunately, I have already found our Pfalz ancestors. They came on the following ships: Ship Name: Manchester From: Havre Port of Arrival: New York Date of Arrival: Aug 1, 1837 Ship Name: Asia From: Havre Port of Arrival New Orleans Date of Arrival: 22 Jan 1848 Karen

Although I have never found any of my Pfalz family on any passenger list, I had heard via family members about someone walking through Belgium with a handcart. SOunds gruesome to me.

Jim, I have some information on Heilman that I kept because the name was similar to my ancestor's (Heckmann). So here it is for what it's worth to you: [Pfalz] 1750 year location of Gauersheim, Kreis Donnersberg From: Debbie Hoffman <mdhof@pymtele.net> To: <PFALZ@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Date: Sep 12 2006 - 7:34am Hi, I hope someone could tell me what was the state or ruling power in 1750, for Gauersheim which is in present day: Kreis Donnersberg, Rheinland-Pfalz. Conflicting data of the Heilman/Heylman surname from this area in 1750, some state the area was Alsace Lorraine and others Wurttemberg. I was thinking it was a part of Bavaria in that year. Thanks for any help. Debbie ***************************************************************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <HEILMANJH@aol.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: [Pfalz] Heilman Surname > New to the list and have been searching for my 7th G-Grandfather Johannes > Heilman. Born about 1716 somewhere in the German area and died in York > County, > PA 1787. Know nothing of his German origins or if he was a Palatine. > > Any information would be helpful, > > Jim > FL

New to the list and have been searching for my 7th G-Grandfather Johannes Heilman. Born about 1716 somewhere in the German area and died in York County, PA 1787. Know nothing of his German origins or if he was a Palatine. Any information would be helpful, Jim FL

Thanks Bob I think you might have hit on something with the canals. I have tried to get more info from the OHTUSCAR list . I know my family came from Baumholder and I have sent for records from there . They sent me the request to immigrate form for the family . The whole family (mother and father and 6 children ) came and I am sure that there were other families that were already in Port Washington from that area . They set up a Evangelical church there and my GGgrandfather Wilhelm was one of the founders . (I have the book) I have not had any luck with any other family coming at the same time and I have tried all spellings on Castle Garden but have not found them . \ Thanks again Sonny ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <robertgillis@verizon.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Departure port > Godfrey Eardley wrote: > >>On the 1900 census my GG grandfather Jacob Pees said he immigrated in 1848 >>from Baumholder . If he left from there what port would have sailed from ? >>He ended up in Port Washington Ohio . >> > > I think the ports would have been either Hamburg, Germany or LeHavre, > France. > > I think it most likely that he entered the USA though NYC to Clevalnd > and to Port Washington on the Ohio Canal. > > find Jacob Pees on the Castle Garden web site. Once you have found him > look at the picture of the manifest which should tell the port of > departure. You may have to find the beginning of the manifest to find > the port. > > Also ask on the Tuscarawas County list as other families may have come > with him > > bob gillis > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Valorie. Good thoughts. I did not realize there were so many! The one I am looking for is on E side of Rhine across from Heidleburg and near Alzey. Apparently my ZEHs resided in both Oppenheim and Alzey ca 1700 when they joined the 1710 Platinates to London and NY. Would you know anything abt that Oppenheim or Alzey? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Anne Cowan Zimmerman" <valoriez@zimres.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Oppenheim Church Records > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 15:42, Hal McCawley wrote: >> Where can one locate church records before 1720? >> I am researching my ZEH family that migrated to America with the 1710 >> Palatines. Thanks, >> Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 > > Hal, it's not completely clear to me which Oppenheim you are looking for. > The > LDS Family History Catalog lists records for > > Oppenheim > ======= > Germany, Hessen, Oppenheim > New York, Fulton, Oppenheim > Ensheim (Kr. Oppenheim) > Germany, Hessen, Ensheim (Kr. Oppenheim) > Wies Oppenheim > Germany, Hessen, Wies Oppenheim > > I suggest you look in each of those areas (besides the New York locality, > unless they went to NY!) and pin down what you need, and what they hold. > > To see more about how to do this, see > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/your-local-family-history-center.html > > I hope this is helpful. > > Valorie > http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 > 9:31 AM > >

Fred H Held wrote: >Hal, > >The online LDS Family History Library catalog >shows one Oppenheim. It's not in the Pflaz, but >it's not far away. Visit your local LDS Family >History Center to rent the microfilm to see if >your family is shown in the records. > Yes the FHL does show Oppenheim in Hesse. Perhaps it was in hesse in 1914 which I think is the year that the FHL uses for German locations and boundaries. to day it is in: County : | | +---- Mainz-Bingen (Mainz) {MZ} RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz. bob gillis >======================== >Kirchenbuch, 1637-1876 >Katholische Kirche Oppenheim (KrSt. Oppenheim) (Main Author) >Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths >for Oppenheim. Includes Dienheim, Gimbsheim, >Rudelsheim (now Ludwigshöhe), Zornheim, Nierstein and Ebersheim. >Germany, Hessen, Oppenheim - Church records >======================== > >At 12:01 AM 1/31/2007, you wrote: > > >>From: "Hal McCawley" <halmac@cox.net> >>Subject: [Pfalz] Oppenheim Church Records >> >>Where can one locate church records before 1720? >>I am researching my ZEH family that migrated to >>America with the 1710 Palatines. >>Thanks, >>Hal McCawley >> >> > > > > >********* >Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Godfrey Eardley wrote: >On the 1900 census my GG grandfather Jacob Pees said he immigrated in 1848 from Baumholder . If he left from there what port would have sailed from ? He ended up in Port Washington Ohio . > I think the ports would have been either Hamburg, Germany or LeHavre, France. I think it most likely that he entered the USA though NYC to Clevalnd and to Port Washington on the Ohio Canal. find Jacob Pees on the Castle Garden web site. Once you have found him look at the picture of the manifest which should tell the port of departure. You may have to find the beginning of the manifest to find the port. Also ask on the Tuscarawas County list as other families may have come with him bob gillis

Sonny, In 1848 there were many ports of departure from that region of Europe: Calais, Harve, Antwerp, and etc. There were also many ports of entry into the US where one might end up in Ohio, such as Boston, Baltimore, New York, even New Orleans, and Montreal. BTW, the departure ports did not keep records, but the arrival ports did. If you can find the arrival ship, the ship's manifest will give the port of departure. Be forewarned, in that time period there is usually no useful information on the manifest, such as last residence or village of birth, as records much later had. At 12:01 AM 1/31/2007, you wrote: >From: "Godfrey Eardley" <geardley@mail.win.org> >Subject: [Pfalz] Departure port > >On the 1900 census my GG grandfather Jacob Pees said he immigrated >in 1848 from Baumholder . If he left from there what port would have >sailed from ? He ended up in Port Washington Ohio . > >Sonny

Hal, The online LDS Family History Library catalog shows one Oppenheim. It's not in the Pflaz, but it's not far away. Visit your local LDS Family History Center to rent the microfilm to see if your family is shown in the records. ======================== Kirchenbuch, 1637-1876 Katholische Kirche Oppenheim (KrSt. Oppenheim) (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths for Oppenheim. Includes Dienheim, Gimbsheim, Rudelsheim (now Ludwigshöhe), Zornheim, Nierstein and Ebersheim. Germany, Hessen, Oppenheim - Church records ======================== At 12:01 AM 1/31/2007, you wrote: >From: "Hal McCawley" <halmac@cox.net> >Subject: [Pfalz] Oppenheim Church Records > >Where can one locate church records before 1720? >I am researching my ZEH family that migrated to >America with the 1710 Palatines. >Thanks, >Hal McCawley

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 15:42, Hal McCawley wrote: > Where can one locate church records before 1720? > I am researching my ZEH family that migrated to America with the 1710 > Palatines. Thanks, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 Hal, it's not completely clear to me which Oppenheim you are looking for. The LDS Family History Catalog lists records for Oppenheim ======= Germany, Hessen, Oppenheim New York, Fulton, Oppenheim Ensheim (Kr. Oppenheim) Germany, Hessen, Ensheim (Kr. Oppenheim) Wies Oppenheim Germany, Hessen, Wies Oppenheim I suggest you look in each of those areas (besides the New York locality, unless they went to NY!) and pin down what you need, and what they hold. To see more about how to do this, see http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/your-local-family-history-center.html I hope this is helpful. Valorie http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

I just want to make it clear that we are NOT having a "roll call" on this list. Well-crafted queries are welcome any time, but they should have * a clear, informative Subject line * be on-topic for the list, which covers the Pfalz. It is also helpful if you tell us not only names, dates and places, but also what research you have already done. Valorie Pfalz list admin On Tuesday 30 January 2007 15:44, BosqueRiver@aol.com wrote: > looking for IN Germany, > RHEIN-PFALZ- "Mechtersheim" Römerberg - Pfalz, Lustadt, > > von Gerichten, Eckhard, Hellmenn ... > IN TEXAS ::snip::

On the 1900 census my GG grandfather Jacob Pees said he immigrated in 1848 from Baumholder . If he left from there what port would have sailed from ? He ended up in Port Washington Ohio . Sonny

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Where can one locate church records before 1720? I am researching my ZEH family that migrated to America with the 1710 Palatines. Thanks, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716