Hello Robert E. Hausman Your response is very welcome and informative. Thank you. Do you know the year that the Dukes of Nassau-Weilburg acquired control over the area between Kirchheimbolanden and Alzey? W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada cummins@utm.utoronto.ca -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert E. Hausman Sent: April 9, 2007 7:11 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Catholic or Lutheran baptisms or RE: SCHACKE families in Pfalz Folks- I cannot answer the question at hand although the suggestion of the nearest Church for a dying newborn is something that did happen often. The Schacke family-like many at the time- seems to have had more than its share of early deaths. I do know something about Kirchheimbolanden. Religiously, it was a fairly cosmopolitan place in the early 18th century. I did have -but seem to have lost- a CD of the transcriptions for all three churches: Katholische, Evangelische and Reformiert. The Roman Catholic Church goes back to the 17th century and so does, I think, the Lutheran. The Reformed (Calvinist) Church is newer as my ancestors first were registered in nearly Marnheim as the KB Parish only functioned after the first decade or so of the 18th century. The Ducal rulers of the Pfalz at the time were Reformed, the Dukes of Nassau-Weilburg. My ancestors followed them from Hesse, back into the depopulated Pfalz. The only folks who were forced to be registered in a Parish not of their choice were the Jews, a practice common at the time. They generally appear in the Parish listing of the ruler's choice. Rob Hausman At 06:23 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >Hello Bob Gillis > >Thank you for your helpful response. > >I have recently learned that for specific periods in history laws have >forced people to be married (by Episcopal priests in Ontario in early 1800s) >or baptized (in Church of Ireland in Ireland in late 1800s) in specific >churches no matter what (or in spite of) their chosen religion. > >I wonder if this were true in the Rheinland Pfalz. Did one have to practice >the religion of the local ruler? > >It looks as if I need to learn more about the history of the area and to >discern the precise locations of the very changeable boundaries between the >areas controlled by dukes of different religions. > >W. Raymond Cummins >Mississauga ON Canada >cummins@utm.utoronto.ca > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of bob gillis >Sent: April 9, 2007 5:08 PM >To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Catholic or Lutheran baptisms or RE: SCHACKE familiesin >Pfalz > >W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > > Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > > > > Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on > > Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? > > Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > > > >It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from >the Evangelisch Kirch Book. > > > > If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > > >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in > > Kirchheimbolanden > > and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few > > miles away. > > > >if a child was not expected to live long, it was oftern baptized in the >nearest church. > >bob gillis > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks- I cannot answer the question at at hand although the suggestion of the nearest Church for a dying newborn is something that did happen often. The Schacke family-like many at the time- seems to have had more than its share of early deaths. I do know something about Kirchheimbolanden. Religiously, it was a fairly cosmopolitan place in the early 18th century. I did have -but seem to have lost- a CD of the transcriptions for all three churches: Katholische, Evangelische and Reformiert. The Roman Catholic Church goes back to the 17th century and so does, I think, the Lutheran. The Reformed (Calvinist) Church is newer as my ancestors first were registered in nearly Marnheim as teh KB Parish only functioned after the first decade or so of the 18th century. The Ducal rulers of the Pfalz at the time were Reformed, the Dukes of Nassau-Weilburg. My ancestors followed them from Hesse, back into the depopulated Pfalz. The only folks who were forced to be registered in a Parish not of their choice were the Jews, a practice common at the time. They generally appear in the Parish listing of the ruler's choice. Rob Hausman At 06:23 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >Hello Bob Gillis > >Thank you for your helpful response. > >I have recently learned that for specific periods in history laws have >forced people to be married (by Episcopal priests in Ontario in early 1800s) >or baptized (in Church of Ireland in Ireland in late 1800s) in specific >churches no matter what (or in spite of) their chosen religion. > >I wonder if this were true in the Rheinland Pfalz. Did one have to practice >the religion of the local ruler? > >It looks as if I need to learn more about the history of the area and to >discern the precise locations of the very changeable boundaries between the >areas controlled by dukes of different religions. > >W. Raymond Cummins >Mississauga ON Canada >cummins@utm.utoronto.ca > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of bob gillis >Sent: April 9, 2007 5:08 PM >To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Catholic or Lutheran baptisms or RE: SCHACKE familiesin >Pfalz > >W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > > Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > > > > Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on > > Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? > > Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > > > >It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from >the Evangelisch Kirch Book. > > > > If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > > >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in > > Kirchheimbolanden > > and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few > > miles away. > > > >if a child was not expected to live long, it was oftern baptized in the >nearest church. > >bob gillis > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Hello Bob Gillis Thank you for your helpful response. I have recently learned that for specific periods in history laws have forced people to be married (by Episcopal priests in Ontario in early 1800s) or baptized (in Church of Ireland in Ireland in late 1800s) in specific churches no matter what (or in spite of) their chosen religion. I wonder if this were true in the Rheinland Pfalz. Did one have to practice the religion of the local ruler? It looks as if I need to learn more about the history of the area and to discern the precise locations of the very changeable boundaries between the areas controlled by dukes of different religions. W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada cummins@utm.utoronto.ca -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bob gillis Sent: April 9, 2007 5:08 PM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Catholic or Lutheran baptisms or RE: SCHACKE familiesin Pfalz W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > > Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on > Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? > Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from the Evangelisch Kirch Book. > If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in > Kirchheimbolanden > and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few > miles away. > if a child was not expected to live long, it was oftern baptized in the nearest church. bob gillis ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The birth of Johann Chirstoph Schacke was found in the Evangelisch, Kirchheimbolanden, Pfalz, Bayern microfilm records. I have also been wondering about the fact that the records were in two different churches when it appears likely that the men were brothers. One thing that I have considered is that their wives families belonged to the two different churches. Another less likely possibility that I considered was that the church selection was based on which church was closer and thus making it easier to hold the christening quicker. Hopefully some more knowledgeable individual on this list might know the correct answer or know of other possibilities. Lesley Shockey At 05:00 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > >Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on >Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? >Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > >If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in >Kirchheimbolanden >and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few >miles away. > >Were members of the same family really in different religions or did laws or >customs force one to be baptized catholic in the town of Kirchheimbolanden >but Lutheran or Evangelical in villages a few miles further north? > >W. Raymond Cummins >Mississauga ON Canada >cummins@utm.utoronto.ca

W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > > Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on > Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? > Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from the Evangelisch Kirch Book. > If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in > Kirchheimbolanden > and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few > miles away. > if a child was not expected to live long, it was oftern baptized in the nearest church. bob gillis

Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? If so then you have a similar situation to mine. >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in Kirchheimbolanden and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few miles away. Were members of the same family really in different religions or did laws or customs force one to be baptized catholic in the town of Kirchheimbolanden but Lutheran or Evangelical in villages a few miles further north? W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada cummins@utm.utoronto.ca -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Shockey Sent: April 8, 2007 10:41 PM To: PFALZ@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pfalz] SCHACKE families in Pfalz Hello Does anyone have information on either of these two SCHACKE families? In Kirchheimbolanden, Pfalz, Bayern, Jacob SCHACKE a master ropemaker and councilman, a native of Switzerland, and Johanna Elisabetha and son Johann Christoph SCHACKE born on the 8th June 1720. Are there other children for Jacob and Johanna Elisabetha? In nearby Evangelisch-Lutherische, Heuchelheim Frankenthal, Pfalz, Beyem the church records lists Abraham SCHACKE in many records from about 1705 to the 1730s and also notes that he is of Switzerland. Abraham is shown as dying on the 24th of April, 1730 aged 46 years, 7 months, 17 days. Church records show a marriage on 18 JAN 1707 of Abraham SCHACKE and Anna Hausamin. There are several children listed being born to Abraham and Anna Schacke. Records from Evangelisch-Lutherische, Heuchelheim Frankenthal, Pfalz, Beyem shows the following: Johannes Schacke, born 06 Oct 1707, Christening 09 Oct 1717 and death 11 May 1710. Laurentius Schacke, born 16 Feb 1709, Christening 20 Feb 1709. (This is one given name that does not seem to fit.) Joh. Valentin Schacke, born 11 Feb 1711, Christening 15 Feb 1711 Johannes Schacke, born 9 Jul 1712, Christening 10 Jul 1712 Anna Elisabetha Schacke, born 04 Jan 1715, Christening 06 Jan 1715. Anna Catharina Schacke, born 31 Aug 1716. Christening 02 Sep 1716 and Conf in 1731. Jacob Schacke, born 05 Apr 1719, Christening 10 Apr 1719 and died 30 Dec 1724. Anna Maria Schacke, born 25 Aug 1721, Christening 28 Aug 1721. Johann Jacob Schacke, born 26 Feb 1725, Christening 28 Feb 1725, death 03 May 1730. I am trying to find a provable link that shows a connection between Jacob SCHACKE and Abraham SCHACKE. I am also trying to determine the SWISS version of the SCHACKE surname and what area of Switzerland that they likely came from. Any help and leads greatly appreciated. Lesley Shockey West Virginia genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ Jackson County genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Does anyone have information on either of these two SCHACKE families? In Kirchheimbolanden, Pfalz, Bayern, Jacob SCHACKE a master ropemaker and councilman, a native of Switzerland, and Johanna Elisabetha and son Johann Christoph SCHACKE born on the 8th June 1720. Are there other children for Jacob and Johanna Elisabetha? In nearby Evangelisch-Lutherische, Heuchelheim Frankenthal, Pfalz, Beyem the church records lists Abraham SCHACKE in many records from about 1705 to the 1730s and also notes that he is of Switzerland. Abraham is shown as dying on the 24th of April, 1730 aged 46 years, 7 months, 17 days. Church records show a marriage on 18 JAN 1707 of Abraham SCHACKE and Anna Hausamin. There are several children listed being born to Abraham and Anna Schacke. Records from Evangelisch-Lutherische, Heuchelheim Frankenthal, Pfalz, Beyem shows the following: Johannes Schacke, born 06 Oct 1707, Christening 09 Oct 1717 and death 11 May 1710. Laurentius Schacke, born 16 Feb 1709, Christening 20 Feb 1709. (This is one given name that does not seem to fit.) Joh. Valentin Schacke, born 11 Feb 1711, Christening 15 Feb 1711 Johannes Schacke, born 9 Jul 1712, Christening 10 Jul 1712 Anna Elisabetha Schacke, born 04 Jan 1715, Christening 06 Jan 1715. Anna Catharina Schacke, born 31 Aug 1716. Christening 02 Sep 1716 and Conf in 1731. Jacob Schacke, born 05 Apr 1719, Christening 10 Apr 1719 and died 30 Dec 1724. Anna Maria Schacke, born 25 Aug 1721, Christening 28 Aug 1721. Johann Jacob Schacke, born 26 Feb 1725, Christening 28 Feb 1725, death 03 May 1730. I am trying to find a provable link that shows a connection between Jacob SCHACKE and Abraham SCHACKE. I am also trying to determine the SWISS version of the SCHACKE surname and what area of Switzerland that they likely came from. Any help and leads greatly appreciated. Lesley Shockey West Virginia genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ Jackson County genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM

Any information relating to this family or, the parents from Nassau Hesse Darmstadt, wife from Hesse Kassel, would be much appreciated. Thank You, for any help. 1880 Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Lewis BINGER Self M Male W 41 GER Carpenter GER GER Delia BINGER Wife M Female W 42 GER Keep House GER GER Lewis BINGER Son S Male W 19 NY Sells Papers GER GER Minnie BINGER Dau S Female W 15 NY Servant GER GER Lena BINGER Dau S Female W 13 NY Servant GER GER Walter BINGER Son S Male W 11 NY At School GER GER Valentine BINGER Son S Male W 8 NY At School GER GER George BINGER Son S Male W 6 NY At School GER GER Delia BINGER Dau S Female W 1 NY GER GER

My ancestor NERWEIN left Germany around 1805 to America. the husband and wife traveled by merchant ship. Is it possible for a place to search records like these availlable. Their name was Conrad Joseph and Maria (Bische) NERWEIN. Thanks for any ideas Jack Norwine

Don, Thank you for the information on Bernhardsweiler. This has been very helpful. I'll check to see if the LDS has filmed any records for this place. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hickman" <drhickmann@hotmail.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler >I forgot to mention that the Bernardswiller in France is about 20 miles (30 > km) southwest of Strasbourg. > > Regards, > Don Hickman > >

I forgot to mention that the Bernardswiller in France is about 20 miles (30 km) southwest of Strasbourg. Regards, Don Hickman

Apparently you're right. Using Google I found: Bernardswiller German: Bernhardsweiler Variant: Bernardswiller-Obernai a.. Département: Bas-Rhin b.. Arrondissement: Sélestat-Erstein c.. Canton: Obernai Population: a.. 1806: 1,343 b.. 1851: 1,316 c.. 1905: 947 d.. 1936: 757 e.. 1990: 1,056 Religious composition in 1807: a.. Catholic: 100% b.. Lutheran: c.. Calvinist: d.. Anabaptist: e.. Jewish: Miscellaneous: a.. City Hall: Mairie, 3 place de l'Église, 67210 Bernardswiller b.. Bibliography: c.. Web resources: Alsace, with over 1350 organs, has been characterized as the world capital of the organ. A site devoted to this topic, A la découverte de l'orgue - orgues d'Alsace, includes a description of the organ in Bernardswiller. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Dietrich" <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> To: "Bernhard Braun" <bernhard@braun-pirmasens.de>; <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > Bernhard, > Thanks for your response, but I have reason to believe the place I'm > looking > for should be in or near Alsace. > Marian > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Braun" <bernhard@braun-pirmasens.de> > To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > > >> Hello again, >> >> Excuse me, Bernhardsweiler is near Crailsheim, not Crailsburg! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marian Dietrich" <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> >> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:33 AM >> Subject: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler >> >> >>> Is there such a place named Berchardsweiler in Germany. I have a death >>> notice from a German newspaper printed in Cincinnati from 1897 and >>> that's >>> the best I can interpret the place of birth as stated in this notice. >>> Marian >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello again, Excuse me, Bernhardsweiler is near Crailsheim, not Crailsburg! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Dietrich" <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > Is there such a place named Berchardsweiler in Germany. I have a death > notice from a German newspaper printed in Cincinnati from 1897 and that's > the best I can interpret the place of birth as stated in this notice. > Marian > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, There is a place named Bernhardweiler near Crailsburg in Baden-Württemberg. Bernhard .................................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Dietrich" <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > Is there such a place named Berchardsweiler in Germany. I have a death > notice from a German newspaper printed in Cincinnati from 1897 and that's > the best I can interpret the place of birth as stated in this notice. > Marian > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Bernhard, Thanks for your response, but I have reason to believe the place I'm looking for should be in or near Alsace. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Braun" <bernhard@braun-pirmasens.de> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > Hello again, > > Excuse me, Bernhardsweiler is near Crailsheim, not Crailsburg! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marian Dietrich" <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:33 AM > Subject: [Pfalz] Berchardsweiler > > >> Is there such a place named Berchardsweiler in Germany. I have a death >> notice from a German newspaper printed in Cincinnati from 1897 and that's >> the best I can interpret the place of birth as stated in this notice. >> Marian >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/

Is there such a place named Berchardsweiler in Germany. I have a death notice from a German newspaper printed in Cincinnati from 1897 and that's the best I can interpret the place of birth as stated in this notice. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/

Mr. Niccum is correct - New Hamburg is located in Wilmot Township, Region of Waterloo, Ontario. I don't know why it comes up as an unincorporated place, but it does indeed exist. http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/Region.nsf/0/0687D37014E431D785256E1C004F0EDD?OpenDocument Regards, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <robertgillis@verizon.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] GERMANN. Carl amd KOCH Susannah; New Hamburg, Canada > > > bgniccum wrote: > > >>Using MapQuest, I found a New Hamburg located 10-15 miles west of > >>Kitchener. It's located on Highway 7 between Kitchener and Stratford. > >> > > The Mapquest map is old. New Hamburg does not show on the 1982 Ontario > Provincial Map nor in the Canadain Geographical names except as an > unincorporate place. > > The first time I looked I assumed it was a town, and selected civil. > When I selected all it showed. > > bob gillis > > >> > >> > > > >Bert Niccum > > > > > > > >>------------------------------ > >> > >>Message: 4 > >>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:54:15 -0500 > >>From: bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> > >>Subject: Re: [Pfalz] GERMANN. Carl amd KOCH Susannah; Meisenheim > >>To: pfalz@rootsweb.com > >>Message-ID: <45EAEBA7.6050209@verizon.net> > >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >> > >>Katherine O'Regan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hello listers, > >>>I am searching for the ancestors of Carl GERMANN b Meisenheim 21st Jan 1802 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>the only Carl Germann in Family Search is a Charles Frederick Gerrmann > >>born 26 JUL 1802 Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern > >> > >> > >> > >>>and Susannah KOCH b Meisenheim ,15 Feb 1810 . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Susannah Freidericka Koch is in an extracted IGI record: born 15 FEb > >>1810 and Christened 19 Feb 1810 in Evangelisch, Meisenheim, Rheinland, > >>Preussen, dau of Hartman Koch and FRIEDERIKA JULIANA ROGOT > >><http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=50 0249251303&lds=1&region=8&frompage=99>. > >> > >>There is no Marriage record on FS for the couple. > >> > >> > >> > >>>They emigrated to Ontario Canada in 1850 and settled in New > >>> > >>> > >>Hamburg. They would have been Protestants. Are there any church > >>records that some kind soul could access for me? > >> > >> > >>What are your sources for the exact birth date for Carl, their 1850 > >>emigration and residence in New Hamburg. there is no New Hamburg or > >>Hamburg in present day Ontario or as a formerly official name at: > >>Canadian Geographical Names <http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/index_e.php> > >> > >>And I do not find either in the 1881 Canadian Census. > >> > >>Almost all church and civil records of the Pfalz area have been > >>extracted by the LDS and are in IGI records. > >> > >>bob gillis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------ > >> > >>To contact the PFALZ list administrator, send an email to > >>PFALZ-admin@rootsweb.com. > >> > >>To post a message to the PFALZ mailing list, send an email to > >>PFALZ@rootsweb.com. > >> > >>__________________________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com > >>with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > >>the body of the > >>email with no additional text. > >> > >> > >>End of PFALZ Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > >>************************************ > >> > >> > > > > > >********* > >Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ********* > Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

bgniccum wrote: >>Using MapQuest, I found a New Hamburg located 10-15 miles west of >>Kitchener. It's located on Highway 7 between Kitchener and Stratford. >> The Mapquest map is old. New Hamburg does not show on the 1982 Ontario Provincial Map nor in the Canadain Geographical names except as an unincorporate place. The first time I looked I assumed it was a town, and selected civil. When I selected all it showed. bob gillis >> >> > >Bert Niccum > > > >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:54:15 -0500 >>From: bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> >>Subject: Re: [Pfalz] GERMANN. Carl amd KOCH Susannah; Meisenheim >>To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <45EAEBA7.6050209@verizon.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >>Katherine O'Regan wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello listers, >>>I am searching for the ancestors of Carl GERMANN b Meisenheim 21st Jan 1802 >>> >>> >>> >>the only Carl Germann in Family Search is a Charles Frederick Gerrmann >>born 26 JUL 1802 Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern >> >> >> >>>and Susannah KOCH b Meisenheim ,15 Feb 1810 . >>> >>> >>> >>Susannah Freidericka Koch is in an extracted IGI record: born 15 FEb >>1810 and Christened 19 Feb 1810 in Evangelisch, Meisenheim, Rheinland, >>Preussen, dau of Hartman Koch and FRIEDERIKA JULIANA ROGOT >><http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500249251303&lds=1&region=8&frompage=99>. >> >>There is no Marriage record on FS for the couple. >> >> >> >>>They emigrated to Ontario Canada in 1850 and settled in New >>> >>> >>Hamburg. They would have been Protestants. Are there any church >>records that some kind soul could access for me? >> >> >>What are your sources for the exact birth date for Carl, their 1850 >>emigration and residence in New Hamburg. there is no New Hamburg or >>Hamburg in present day Ontario or as a formerly official name at: >>Canadian Geographical Names <http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/index_e.php> >> >>And I do not find either in the 1881 Canadian Census. >> >>Almost all church and civil records of the Pfalz area have been >>extracted by the LDS and are in IGI records. >> >>bob gillis >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>To contact the PFALZ list administrator, send an email to >>PFALZ-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >>To post a message to the PFALZ mailing list, send an email to >>PFALZ@rootsweb.com. >> >>__________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >>the body of the >>email with no additional text. >> >> >>End of PFALZ Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 >>************************************ >> >> > > >********* >Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

>Using MapQuest, I found a New Hamburg located 10-15 miles west of >Kitchener. It's located on Highway 7 between Kitchener and Stratford. Bert Niccum >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:54:15 -0500 >From: bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> >Subject: Re: [Pfalz] GERMANN. Carl amd KOCH Susannah; Meisenheim >To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <45EAEBA7.6050209@verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Katherine O'Regan wrote: > > >Hello listers, > >I am searching for the ancestors of Carl GERMANN b Meisenheim 21st Jan 1802 > > > >the only Carl Germann in Family Search is a Charles Frederick Gerrmann >born 26 JUL 1802 Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern > > >and Susannah KOCH b Meisenheim ,15 Feb 1810 . > > >Susannah Freidericka Koch is in an extracted IGI record: born 15 FEb >1810 and Christened 19 Feb 1810 in Evangelisch, Meisenheim, Rheinland, >Preussen, dau of Hartman Koch and FRIEDERIKA JULIANA ROGOT ><http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500249251303&lds=1&region=8&frompage=99>. > >There is no Marriage record on FS for the couple. > > >They emigrated to Ontario Canada in 1850 and settled in New > Hamburg. They would have been Protestants. Are there any church > records that some kind soul could access for me? > > > >What are your sources for the exact birth date for Carl, their 1850 >emigration and residence in New Hamburg. there is no New Hamburg or >Hamburg in present day Ontario or as a formerly official name at: >Canadian Geographical Names <http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/index_e.php> > >And I do not find either in the 1881 Canadian Census. > >Almost all church and civil records of the Pfalz area have been >extracted by the LDS and are in IGI records. > >bob gillis > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the PFALZ list administrator, send an email to >PFALZ-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the PFALZ mailing list, send an email to >PFALZ@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of PFALZ Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 >************************************

Dear Bob, Many thanks indeed for all your useful information. To tell you the truth I cannot remember where I found the date for Carl GERMANN's birth but the year was 1802 - that was given to me by my former mother in law some 20 years ago and I presume she had had it passed down to her.Also the marriage to Susannah KOCH. Charles Frederick seems a very common name combination. One of the sons was born during the crossing to Canada and he was born in 1850. New Hamburg is south west of Canada - Encarta Atlas shows it. Carl Germanns son Charles Frederick married a Katherine Scott whose father, William Scott was one of the founding fathers - but with a name like New Hamburg one presumes that there was considerable German emigration to that area.This was all we know of him - "He was tall and distinguished looking with a striking military bearing, no doubt acquired by a period of military service in the Army. He received a good education and was disposed to be strict and businesslike. On arrival in New Hamburg he bought a hotel Also owned and operated a tannery He was 72 when he died." I need a marriage certificate which will give me Carl's parentage. Kind regards, Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" <robertgillis@verizon.net> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] GERMANN. Carl amd KOCH Susannah; Meisenheim > Katherine O'Regan wrote: > >>Hello listers, >>I am searching for the ancestors of Carl GERMANN b Meisenheim 21st Jan >>1802 >> > > the only Carl Germann in Family Search is a Charles Frederick Gerrmann > born 26 JUL 1802 Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern > >>and Susannah KOCH b Meisenheim ,15 Feb 1810 . >> > Susannah Freidericka Koch is in an extracted IGI record: born 15 FEb > 1810 and Christened 19 Feb 1810 in Evangelisch, Meisenheim, Rheinland, > Preussen, dau of Hartman Koch and FRIEDERIKA JULIANA ROGOT > <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500249251303&lds=1&region=8&frompage=99>. > > There is no Marriage record on FS for the couple. > >>They emigrated to Ontario Canada in 1850 and settled in New Hamburg. They >>would have been Protestants. Are there any church records that some kind >>soul could access for me? >> > > What are your sources for the exact birth date for Carl, their 1850 > emigration and residence in New Hamburg. there is no New Hamburg or > Hamburg in present day Ontario or as a formerly official name at: > Canadian Geographical Names <http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/index_e.php> > > And I do not find either in the 1881 Canadian Census. > > Almost all church and civil records of the Pfalz area have been > extracted by the LDS and are in IGI records. > > bob gillis > > > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >