In a message dated 7/1/2007 3:16:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, robertgillis@verizon.net writes: There has not been a message to the list in 29 days, one day short of a month. Is everyone on vacation in the Pfalz, enjoying the beautiful scenery? I'm sure they are on vacation. When I was there everything was closed. Signs said they would be open during certain hours, but they weren't. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello Bob I too have noticed a lack of messages on several sites at the moment. But then again I subscribed and I do not think I have ever sent a message so I am just as much to blame. I am researching my father's family of which one line came over in 1709 and was part of the palatines who settled in Co Limerick, Ireland. Perhaps you may know if these palatines who were Lutheran, can be traced back to thier homeland and if any records are still available in the Rhineland Pfalz (I believe) Family name is Heck (Hecht) Best wishes Shirley (in a very wet part of Sussex, England but not as wet as Yorkshire) >From: bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> >Reply-To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >To: PFALZ <pfalz@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [Pfalz] Lack of messages >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:15:42 -0400 > >There has not been a message to the list in 29 days, one day short of a >month. Is everyone on vacation in the Pfalz, enjoying the beautiful >scenery? > >bob gillis > >********* >Information for list members: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win tickets to the sold out Live Earth concert! http://liveearth.uk.msn.com

Texas1933@aol.com wrote: > Descendants of Davault BECK from (possibly Koblenz, GER) who arrived in > Philadelphia in Aug 1750, and then settled his family in Rowan/Davidson Co., NC > and paid taxes there in 1768, have made plans to do some research in the area > of Rhine/Mosel River around Koblenz/Coblenz. Can anyone comment as to the > PLACES to do research in that area? What about the church records? Did they > survive during WWII??? Before you or your cousins can do any searching on Davault BECK, you should do more research about him after his arrival in Philadelphia,\. Davault is not a German given name and and I suspect it is a variation that the recorders heard or he adopted after he was in America. What was his age in 1750, who was his wife and who were his children that came with him and their ages. Also wen relying to a very general subject like mine you should add the name and location of whom you are researching so that someone can find your message in the list archives. bob gillis

Sarah, thank you for responding. I have searched this site several times. Happy hunting! http://www.familysearch.org When narrowing the search on this site, select Bayern for the Pfalz region. Warm Regards, Sarah Adams . . . . a note from Nell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Descendants of Davault BECK from (possibly Koblenz, GER) who arrived in Philadelphia in Aug 1750, and then settled his family in Rowan/Davidson Co., NC and paid taxes there in 1768, have made plans to do some research in the area of Rhine/Mosel River around Koblenz/Coblenz. Can anyone comment as to the PLACES to do research in that area? What about the church records? Did they survive during WWII??? . . . . a note from Nell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Good day, I do have a question that I hope someone can answer.. A distant relation sent me a lovely email this afternoon connecting some of the relations that remained in Germany with my information in the US. However, here is my question, I am wondering what the dates are relating to what Kreis Otterstadt and Waldsee were in. She has Kreis Schifferstadt and I have always been under the impression that it was in Kreis Ludwigshaufen. Then I have another relation that states Speyer is the correct one. Is there a historical timeframe that make all three locations correct? Any clarification is appreciated. Thanks! Warm Regards, Sarah Adams

There has not been a message to the list in 29 days, one day short of a month. Is everyone on vacation in the Pfalz, enjoying the beautiful scenery? bob gillis

I woudl check with one of the family research libraries associated with LDS. Yes many records did survive and many have been filmed for research by genealogists. Sorry that I cannot be of more help for most of mine are limited to Otterstadt, Waldsee, Harthausen, Schifferstadt and the Geinshiem/ Duttweiler area. http://www.familysearch.org When narrowing the search on this site, select Bayern for the Pfalz region. Warm Regards, Sarah Adams Texas1933@aol.com wrote: Descendants of Davault BECK from (possibly Koblenz, GER) who arrived in Philadelphia in Aug 1750, and then settled his family in Rowan/Davidson Co., NC and paid taxes there in 1768, have made plans to do some research in the area of Rhine/Mosel River around Koblenz/Coblenz. Can anyone comment as to the PLACES to do research in that area? What about the church records? Did they survive during WWII??? . . . . a note from Nell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley, Have you checked any of the irishgenweb projects on genuki? They might have some information on the German Palatinates who settled in Ireland. My lines are all from a number of the villages in the Pfalz region. Interesting, In North Dakota, Hecht is often a name associated with the Germans from Russia. Warm regards, SArah Adams Shirley Scott <shirleyscott@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hello Bob I too have noticed a lack of messages on several sites at the moment. But then again I subscribed and I do not think I have ever sent a message so I am just as much to blame. I am researching my father's family of which one line came over in 1709 and was part of the palatines who settled in Co Limerick, Ireland. Perhaps you may know if these palatines who were Lutheran, can be traced back to thier homeland and if any records are still available in the Rhineland Pfalz (I believe) Family name is Heck (Hecht) Best wishes Shirley (in a very wet part of Sussex, England but not as wet as Yorkshire) >From: bob gillis >Reply-To: pfalz@rootsweb.com >To: PFALZ >Subject: [Pfalz] Lack of messages >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:15:42 -0400 > >There has not been a message to the list in 29 days, one day short of a >month. Is everyone on vacation in the Pfalz, enjoying the beautiful >scenery? > >bob gillis > >********* >Information for list members: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win tickets to the sold out Live Earth concert! http://liveearth.uk.msn.com ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good day Bob, I was wondering the same thing... I have been busy reviewing some old research and checking it against my database. I have filled in a few questions I had initially and solved a nagging problem I had in my notes. I want to clean up a few things before I continue gathering more information. I have even connected with a few other individuals researching part of my line. Right now I am just trying to solve where some births might have been recorded in the late 1790s. I have found a couple recorded in nearby Baden. bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net> wrote: There has not been a message to the list in 29 days, one day short of a month. Is everyone on vacation in the Pfalz, enjoying the beautiful scenery? bob gillis ********* Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Wolfgang, Did anyone reply to your email about Pettersheim? I have ancestors who came from the dorf, I am surprised that there were juden there. My family names: GERBER, ZIMMER. Good wishes, Virginia

Hallo Liste. am 19. JAN 1858 stirbt in Paris 9éme der Jacques MICHEL im Alter von 46 Jahren. Geboren in " Peterchheim en duché de Bade " (verm.: Herschweiler-Pettersheim, Rheinland-Pfalz). Verheiratet war Jakob mit Bibie ALEXANDER. Religion: Jude Kann mir jemand die Geburt, um 1812, bzw. den Geburtsort bestätigen. Im Voraus besten Dank. Wolfgang Tennigkeit

I am sorry for the mixup; I should not have relied on my memory of names during a busy time this week! The Fred I was referring to is Fred Krebs, not Fred Held, who also has posted to this maillist. Fred Krebs is the person in Germany, not far from Kirchheimbolanden. I hope this helps. I have sent Ray the link to his website. My apologies, Pat On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Fred H Held wrote: Ray, Please do no bestow honors and titles that do not apply. I'm not sure who Pat Blackwell is referring to, because I am not that person and I know no other Fred Held on the Pfalz mail list. > winery owned by the family of Fred Held along the "wine trail" > southeast of Kibo, as Kirchheimbolanden is called by an native who > lives in the midwest U.S. Held is/was a university professor > interested in history who belongs to this Pfalz email list The only thing that fits is I am on the Pfalz mail list and I am interested in genealogy. There are HELDs in Missouri that own a winery (the famous Stonehill Winery in Herman, MO), but they are not related to my HELD Family, that I can find. I am always more than willing to help. Since you seem to know the home village of your families, have you visited your local LDS Family History Center to rent the microfilms for the villages? Those records in the archives are, for the most part, the same data microfilmed by the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City and available for rent at your local LDS FHC. You do not need to travel there to view the records. Besides, many archives require you hire a local researcher to do the same research you can do for yourself at your local LDS FHC. As far as accommodations and local researchers, one place to look is the German Genealogy webpage (http://www.genealogienetz.de/ genealogy.html), or more specifically the Pfalz area portion (http:// www.genealogienetz.de/reg/RHE-PFA/rhein-p.html). Many of the villages you mention will have their own webpage and will list local accommodations, including B&Bs (zimmers and doppel-zimmers) and small family hotels, that I have found to be quite nice and very accommodating in my travels there. Many villages will also have their own local museum and genealogy society. Use Google to find them. BTW, correct spelling is important now - it is Kirchheimbolanden not Keichheimbolanden.

----- Original Message ----- From: <Novel6@aol.com> To: <pfalz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Kirchheimbolanden > If you go there, be sure to go the correct month. Everything was closed when > I was there. (August) The signs say, open from---to---- but we tried all day > to get in several places, but the buildings were locked up tight. August is vacation month for Germany and Switzerland. I don' t know about other countries. The school system is different than ours and as I understood it when explained to me, that is the best time for family vacations. We have found a great time to go is in the spring before the tourist season starts or fall after the tourist season. If there is some touristy type of activity you want to participate in you might check before making your plans. Celia

If you go there, be sure to go the correct month. Everything was closed when I was there. (August) The signs say, open from---to---- but we tried all day to get in several places, but the buildings were locked up tight. And don't look for "old" tombstones in the cemetery. Hopefully you've already heard that the burial plots are lease for various number of years. If you don't pay at the end of the lease, someone else will have the spot. But do try to visit a cemetery, they are kept up and just beautiful. JKH ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello Pat Blackwell Thank you for the fascinating facts about the churches in Kirchheimbolanden. Mozart's organ puts it high on my list of places to visit. W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada cummins@utm.utoronto.ca -----Original Message----- From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of P.S. Blackwell Sent: April 10, 2007 7:55 AM To: pfalz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Kirchheimbolanden Perhaps Fred Held can help with information and the possible impact on baptismal and marriage records, but I think I recall from a visit and research of my area SCHEU family, the St Paul's church building or location in Kirchheimbolanden may have been Evangelisch during my family's time (before 1854) but is Catholic today. I think it may have even been shared at some time. The village square is marked my a statue of Mozart, who made St. Paul's church and it's organ (Stumm 1745) famous by playing there in 1778. http://www.mozartways.com/content.php?m=2&typ2=52&lang=en The website above indicates that an early Catholic church building is now a rifle club. Pat Blackwell

W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > Hello Bob Gillis > > Thank you for your helpful response. > > I have recently learned that for specific periods in history laws have > forced people to be married (by Episcopal priests in Ontario in early 1800s) > or baptized (in Church of Ireland in Ireland in late 1800s) in specific > churches no matter what (or in spite of) their chosen religion. > > I wonder if this were true in the Rheinland Pfalz. Did one have to practice > the religion of the local ruler? > AFAIK, no. bob gillis > It looks as if I need to learn more about the history of the area and to > discern the precise locations of the very changeable boundaries between the > areas controlled by dukes of different religions. > > W. Raymond Cummins > Mississauga ON Canada > cummins@utm.utoronto.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pfalz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bob gillis > Sent: April 9, 2007 5:08 PM > To: pfalz@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Pfalz] Catholic or Lutheran baptisms or RE: SCHACKE familiesin > Pfalz > > W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > >> Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden >> >> Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on >> Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? >> Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? >> >> > > It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from > the Evangelisch Kirch Book. > > > >> If so then you have a similar situation to mine. >> >From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in >> Kirchheimbolanden >> and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few >> miles away. >> >> > > if a child was not expected to live long, it was oftern baptized in the > nearest church. > > bob gillis > > ********* > Information for list members: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Information for list members: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PFALZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? If so then you have a similar situation to mine. > From 1695-1725 I find Comens /Comen baptisms in the Catholic church in Kirchheimbolanden and in the Lutheran Churches in Morschheim, Orbis and Wendelsheim a few miles away. Were members of the same family really in different religions or did laws or customs force one to be baptized catholic in the town of Kirchheimbolanden but Lutheran or Evangelical in villages a few miles further north? W. Raymond Cummins Mississauga ON Canada cummins@utm.utoronto.ca Perhaps Fred Held can help with information and the possible impact on baptismal and marriage records, but I think I recall from a visit and research of my area SCHEU family, the St Paul's church building or location in Kirchheimbolanden may have been Evangelisch during my family's time (before 1854) but is Catholic today. I think it may have even been shared at some time. The village square is marked my a statue of Mozart, who made St. Paul's church and it's organ (Stumm 1745) famous by playing there in 1778. http://www.mozartways.com/content.php?m=2&typ2=52&lang=en The website above indicates that an early Catholic church building is now a rifle club. Pat Blackwell

At 08:37 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: > I did have -but seem to have >lost- a CD of the transcriptions for all three >churches: Katholische, Evangelische and Reformiert. Hello Rob, Do you remember the source of the CD? I wonder if it might still be available somewhere. Such a CD would make the search for surname records much easier including checking for variant spelling and would then allow a person to quickly find the actual church records on microfilm. Lesley Shockey West Virginia genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ Jackson County genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM

At 05:07 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >W. Raymond Cummins wrote: > > Thanks for the post about Kirchheimbolanden > > > > Where did you find the record of the birth of Johann Christoph Schacke on > > Jun 8 1720 in Kirchheimbolanden? > > Was it from the Catholic church book in Kirchheimbolanden? > > > >It is an extracted IGI record found on FamilySearch.org and was from >the Evangelisch Kirch Book. The actual microfilms that the LDS have of the actual church records contain much more information than what can be found in the extracted IGI records especially if you know someone who can easily translate the early German writings. The fact that Jacob was listed as a master ropemaker and councilman are not included in the IGI records nor are the three persons who are listed as the godparents of Johann Christoph SCHACKE. The godparents for him were listed as: Johann Michael SCHWARTZ, citizen and butcher here: Johann Christoph GRANEISSEN, master of a farm estate: Maria Magdalena, wife of Johann Casimir EVERHARD, citizen and master baker here. I certainly appreciate all the comments and added information that is being provided. Lesley Shockey