I have distant relatives named Mieder. But I may not have the spelling right. Does anyone on the list know if this is really a German name? When I search the Web for this name, I tend to get German sites devoted to corsets(!) Any further info will be appreciated. Hank Mooney hmooney@mfi.com

I have the following surnames among my gg or ggg grandparents but don't know where in Germany they came from. There are others I know where in Germany they were from (ALBERTINI from Clausthal-Hannover, CRAMLICH/GRAMLICH from Palatine, KOEPF from Wurttemberg). Any leads appreciated, including which Rootsweb mailing list covers all of Germany in English (DEUTSCHLAND is supposedly all in German). Thank you. I am only on the Baden-Wurttemberg, Niedersachsen, and Pfalz lists now so if you are replying from one of the other lists please reply to me directly not to the list. John Albertini HAGEMEIER HÜLS JUNG KALTMAIER MAURER PFANDER PRESSNIAR REUPER STETTNER

Does anyone out there connect to this line of BOEHNERS from around Flomborn near Alzey in Rheinhessen? FIRST GENERATION 1. Friederich BÖHNER resided Flomborn in 1715 in Flomborn, Germany. He was married to Anna Ottilia (BÖHNER). Friederich BÖHNER and Anna Ottilia (BÖHNER) had the following children: +2 i. (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER. SECOND GENERATION 2. (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER was born on 6 Mar 1715. He was baptized on 10 Mar 1715 in Flomborn, Germany. He was married to Anna Elisabetha (BÖHNER). (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER and Anna Elisabetha (BÖHNER) had the following children: +3 i. (Johann) Henrich BÖHNER. THIRD GENERATION 3. (Johann) Henrich BÖHNER was born on 5 Dec 1737 in Flomborn, Germany. He was baptized on 8 Dec 1737 in Flomborn, Germany. He was married to Eva Maria TEMPEL. (Johann) Henrich BÖHNER and Eva Maria TEMPEL had the following children: +4 i. (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER (1). FOURTH GENERATION 4. (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER (1) was born on 12 Oct 1771 in , Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany. He died on 31 May 1849. He was married to Anna Maria KÖPP (daughter of Johann Henrich KÖPP and Maria Magdalena HAHN) on 14 Nov 1798 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. Anna Maria KÖPP was born about 1774. She died on 13 Jul 1827 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. (Johann) Heinrich BÖHNER (1) and Anna Maria KÖPP had the following children: 5 i. Anna Maria BÖHNER was born on 9 Oct 1798 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. 6 ii. Margarithe BÖHNER was born on 1 Nov 1800 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. +7 iii. Heinrich BÖHNER (2). 8 iv. Elise BÖHNER was born on 5 Mar 1811 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. 9 v. Jacob BÖHNER was born about Jul 1812 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. He died on 13 Jan 1813 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. 10 vi. Anna Barbara BÖHNER was born about 27 Dec 1813 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. She died on 8 Jan 1814 in Flomborn, Rheinhessen, Germany. He was married to Anna Susanne VOGT in 1840. Would love to exchange info.

In reply to Josph Kaemerer's comments on New Orleans immigration, I wrote to the list: >I have followed this list for several years and do not remember anyone >saying that people did not immigrate from Germany via New Orleans. In >fact several had traced their families through NO. > I guess I did not make myself clear as Zwonk@aol.com replied to me off-list: > I am descended in part by Germans from the Ostfriesland area of Germany and > they primarily came in via New Orleans up to St. Louis until after the Civil > War when the railroads from NY to IL & IA were available and efficient. So > you can accept that 10's of thousands of people came in via New Orleans.> as did Hud2411@aol.com also off-list: > A lot of Germans entered through New Orleans. The largest group were > probably the Saxon Germans who settled in south St. Louis and the counties > along the Mississippi river--Perry County, etc. This group became the > foundation for the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. This movement began in > the late 1830's. My wife's family was among the second group that arrived. > bob gillis

I found out today that my Härtel ancestors came from "Hasenroth" in the Pfalz. However, I am unable to find a place with that or a similiar name in the Pfalz. I know there is a Hassenroth in Hesse, but I'm relatively sure that it never belonged to the Pfalz. Has anybody got a hint where "Hasenroth" might be located? Manfred Härtel

Dear readers, I searched a while in the german web-sides and found this for the northern part of Rhineland-Palatinate. Perhaps someone can use it. sincerely yours Werner ---> THE TRIER REGION ON THE WEB: http://www.moselbergland.de/ ALL towns and cities, communities,... in the Hunsrück: http://www.ferienland-hunsrueck.de/region/gemeinden.htm The west of the Hunsrück, bordering to Luxembourg and the Saarland: http://www.naturpark.org/NATURPARKSAARHUNSRUECK.htm The south-eastern part of the Hunsrück: http://www.rhein-nahe.fh-bingen.de/ literature about the Hunsrück: http://www.hunsrueck.com/literatour/index.html cooking in the Hunsrück: http://www.schinderhannes.de/turm/kochen.nsf/NachHerkunft?openview The Hunsrück newspaper and historical homepage: http://www.hunsrueck-zeitung.com/daten_hsr/index.html what means the word Hunsrück: http://www.hunsrueck.com/region/name.htm The Hunsrück airport Hahn: http://195.211.143.51/Hahn/site_e/aktuell/aktuell_frame.htm Historic castle mill in the Hunsrück: http://www.schlossmuehle.com/germany/index.html the part of Hunsrück near the river Rhine (with Loreley): http://www.loreleytal.com/rhens/ Osburg near Trier: http://www.OsburgbeiTrier.de/ city and area of Hermeskeil: http://www.Hermeskeil-web.de/ the top-news from Trier region: http://www.intrinet.de/ the castle "Marienlay" near Morscheid: http://home.t-online.de/home/vgruwer/marienlay.htm city of Kastellaun: http://www.kastellaun.de/ city of Zell at the banks of the river Mosel: http://www.gastroline.de/zell/ city of Kirn: http://www.kirn.de/ Mosel region: http://www.mosella.de/ Eastern Hunsrück region: http://www.rheinhunsrueck.de/ city of Emmelshausen (with Liesenfeld): http://www.emmelshausen.de/title.htm town of Alterkülz in thwe Hunsrück-lowlands: http://home.t-online.de/home/Armin.Berg/ The newspaper for the Hunsrück and the region around Koblenz: http://rhein-zeitung.de/index.html the central library of Rheinland-Pfalz in Koblenz: http://www.rlb.de/ city of Rheinböllen: http://www.rheinboellen.de/ community of Ruwer: http://home.t-online.de/home/vgruwer/home.htm Mosel-Hotels: http://www.moselhotel.com/ Hunsrück-Hotels: http://www.hunsrueckhotel.com/ The town of Hahn in The Hunsrück: http://www.dorf-hahn.de/

Joseph Kaemerer wrote: > > I also have stories from my older Great aunts and Uncle, who all say > that My Great Grandfather John Anton Kaemmerer and his family entered > the US in New Orleans. Their origin was Kirrweiler, Germany. They made > the trip sometime between 1840 and 1856. > I had heard from some other Pfalz listers last year that there were no > ships taking people to New Orleans. So by these other stories, > possibly that was what happened in the case of My Ancestors also. Joe > I have followed this list for several years and do not remember anyone saying that people did not immigrate from Germany via New Orleans. In fact several had traced their families through NO. bob gillis

There are a number of people of METZ surname in the records of St. Peter Reformed Church, Plainfield Twp, Northampton Co., PA. Many of the people are supposedly of Palatine German families which came in the 1730's but I have not identified any village names. In the cemetery are buried Valentine METZ, b. 12 November 1750, d. 27 December 1825. Also, Heinrich METZ, b. 12 July 1783, d. 27 March 1852. Heinrich's wife Elizabeth was from my ANDRE (later ANDREW) family. Roger Nichols

Thanks, "fhheld," for your message. Just to let the "List" know... Yes, I'm descended from one of the "western Pennsylvania" MECHLING families, and know the "bookstore" MECHLINGs of Butler PA. Briefly, my search for possible records at Lampersheim, stems from perhaps a typo, Lambesheim vs. Lambersheim, however, when one has "hit the brick wall" for as many years as "we / I" have, one tries any and all possible clues. Specifically, "we / I" seek the residence of the family of Debold and Eva (RIEDINGER) MECHLING after they left Hoerdt, Alsace, in 1700. They sold their house, meadow, and forest, and left. No reference has been found to date, saying WHERE they went. Among their children, they had two sons, Diebold (Theobald/Dewalt) and Jacob, who COULD be the two young men that arrived in 1728, at Philadelphia, PA. Lampersheim is in an area heavy with MECHLING people, some since the early 1700s. So, if anyone has any online research suggestions, I'll be OVERJOYED to hear! Best wishes to all, Caral MECHLING BENNETT MECHLING Historical Association Reunion Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA August 4-6, 2000

The Cincinnati Freie Presse Death notices shows: Franz A. KARCH notice: 17 Jun 1913 d: 15 Jan age 71 yrs. p.8 Johann KARCH notice: 1 Jun 1896 d: 30 May age 68 yrs. p.8 Earl Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: <joemetz@fuse.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Re: [METZ-L] METZ ROLL CALL > In my line, it is my great-great grandmother, Barbara Metz (nee Karch) who > emmigrated from Insheim in the Pfalz, near Landau with her eight children (two or > three came over first). This was in the 1860's (1866?) after she was widowed. Her > husband's name was Joseph Metz. He died in Insheim in 1862 of a bee sting. The > family left because one of the sons was going to be drafted into the army. My great > grandfather was Joseph Metz (1853). The other children who came over were Nikolaus > (1842), Anna-Maria (1843), Barbara (1845), Elizabeth (1849), Rose (1856), John > (1859) and Peter (1862). In adulthood, half lived in the Cincinnati, OH area, the > other half lived across the river in Covington, KY. > > By the way, the daughters married as follows: Barbara married John Zimmer (they > lived in Kentucky), Rose married John Strassel (no children, lived in Germantown, > OH), Mary (Anna-Maria) married George Radenheimer (also lived in Kentucky), > Elizabeth married Joseph Pontius. > > Of my ancestors in Germany, my great-great grandfather's name was Peter Metz who > married Maria Josepha Buckel. Peter's parents were Andreas Mez who married > Appolonia Schwein. Andreas parents seem to be Martin Mez and Magdalena Gademann. > All of these folks lived and died in Insheim. The earliest date I have is for > Andreas who was born in 1747. Martin and Magdalena were married in 1745. It's > possible their birthdates predate the Catholic church in Insheim. > > Back to my Metz immigrants. From my research in the 1970's, talking with one of my > grandpa's cousins, we know the two or three kids who came first lived with an > uncle. We don't know his name, nor whether he was a Metz or a Karch, although I can > find no record of any Karches here in Cincinnati, so I'm guessing Metz. My > great-great grandfather had a brother Adam, so we think that might be who it was, > because there are several Adam Metzes here in the 1860's. > > I've traced the descendents of these eight children, so I've got a handle on who > were related to in my immediate line. It's the lines that shoot off from my third > great grandfather, Peter Metz back in Germany (and the other families older than > them) that I'm curious about. > > I'm copying this post to the Pfalz-L list on Rootsweb too. > > Stan Metts wrote: > > > Is there any way to document the original Metz / Metts who came from Europe > > to America? There has to be a root person or family for each of the strains > > of Metts/Metz. > > > > Mine is Samuel Edward Metts. He came from Metz, Alsase Lorraine, after a > > falling out with a step-father. (No details or names on his home / family.) > > > > You can check out the line of his descendents on Rootsweb at the following: > > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dsmetts&id=FPMZUP > > > > Stan > > > > P.S. Sorry about the previous letter, It included stationery that came > > through only as HTML or something. > > > > ==== METZ Mailing List ==== > > Did You Know! That the LDS Ancestral File search site is now up and running at: > > http://www.familysearch.org > > >

List, I noticed that Philipp can be spelled several ways. Does the spelling tell anything about the background of the person? John Heiby

I am having trouble deciphering the place of origin of my ancestor in an old document. The family name is BREHM, Protestant, and settled in Rheinduerkheim, near Worms in mid 1700's. It looks like he is from: Dhombull, ending could be buhl or ell or Gomboll in Aufparhithat or Aufgarhithar - some of all of the h's could be f's. I have not been able to lacate either on any maps, etc. The first work could be his occupation. I would naturally very much like to locate the place. Thanks, T Diemer New Orleans

In my line, it is my great-great grandmother, Barbara Metz (nee Karch) who emmigrated from Insheim in the Pfalz, near Landau with her eight children (two or three came over first). This was in the 1860's (1866?) after she was widowed. Her husband's name was Joseph Metz. He died in Insheim in 1862 of a bee sting. The family left because one of the sons was going to be drafted into the army. My great grandfather was Joseph Metz (1853). The other children who came over were Nikolaus (1842), Anna-Maria (1843), Barbara (1845), Elizabeth (1849), Rose (1856), John (1859) and Peter (1862). In adulthood, half lived in the Cincinnati, OH area, the other half lived across the river in Covington, KY. By the way, the daughters married as follows: Barbara married John Zimmer (they lived in Kentucky), Rose married John Strassel (no children, lived in Germantown, OH), Mary (Anna-Maria) married George Radenheimer (also lived in Kentucky), Elizabeth married Joseph Pontius. Of my ancestors in Germany, my great-great grandfather's name was Peter Metz who married Maria Josepha Buckel. Peter's parents were Andreas Mez who married Appolonia Schwein. Andreas parents seem to be Martin Mez and Magdalena Gademann. All of these folks lived and died in Insheim. The earliest date I have is for Andreas who was born in 1747. Martin and Magdalena were married in 1745. It's possible their birthdates predate the Catholic church in Insheim. Back to my Metz immigrants. From my research in the 1970's, talking with one of my grandpa's cousins, we know the two or three kids who came first lived with an uncle. We don't know his name, nor whether he was a Metz or a Karch, although I can find no record of any Karches here in Cincinnati, so I'm guessing Metz. My great-great grandfather had a brother Adam, so we think that might be who it was, because there are several Adam Metzes here in the 1860's. I've traced the descendents of these eight children, so I've got a handle on who were related to in my immediate line. It's the lines that shoot off from my third great grandfather, Peter Metz back in Germany (and the other families older than them) that I'm curious about. I'm copying this post to the Pfalz-L list on Rootsweb too. Stan Metts wrote: > Is there any way to document the original Metz / Metts who came from Europe > to America? There has to be a root person or family for each of the strains > of Metts/Metz. > > Mine is Samuel Edward Metts. He came from Metz, Alsase Lorraine, after a > falling out with a step-father. (No details or names on his home / family.) > > You can check out the line of his descendents on Rootsweb at the following: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dsmetts&id=FPMZUP > > Stan > > P.S. Sorry about the previous letter, It included stationery that came > through only as HTML or something. > > ==== METZ Mailing List ==== > Did You Know! That the LDS Ancestral File search site is now up and running at: > http://www.familysearch.org

>Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:47:03 EDT >From: CMechlingB@aol.com >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PFALZ] Lampersheim records > >Greetings, All, > Am seeking possible records at LAMPERSHEIM -- (zip code: 68623) >Have a map, and know it's located between Darmstadt and Heidelberg, just >slightly west... seeking possible MECHLING/ MAECHLING records from circa >1700 to 1730. > If anyone has suggestions for web-searching, in relation to Lampersheim, >would be most appreciative! > THANKS! and best wishes, > Caral MECHLING BENNETT > Caral, Are you familiar with the Mechling families of western Pennsylvania? A great amount of research has been done on these families. They may have already done your family. They have their own genealogical bookstore in Butler, PA. See their catalog at http://mechlingbooks.com/. -- mailto:fhheld@freewwweb.com

Hayna is a small village around 15 km South of Landau/Pfalz and is administratively part of the community Herxheim. Hayna hosts the best restaurant (Krone) in the southern Palatinate. Ernst Dierich ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Gargiulo <bgar@gateway.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 3:57 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Hayna > Is anyone familiar with the community called Hayna? > > Barbara Gargiulo >

Hello Georgia, Offenbach is 5 km and Bellheim is 12 km East of Landau/Pfalz and both villages are roughly 150 km South of Frankfurt. Billigheim is since 1969 together with to former villages Appenhofen, Ingenheim, Mühlhofen part of the unified community Billigheim-Ingenheim. There is no train station in Billigheim-Ingenheim but a good bus-connection from the Landau train station (Bahnhof). When you write "Lunteran Church of Billighem" I supose you mean the "Lutheran Church of Billigheim". There is no more Lutheran Church in Billigheim because the Lutheran and the Reformed communities have been unified in 1818 and form now-a-days the Evangelische Landeskirche der Pfalz. Thus the old Lutheran Church of Billigheim became and is still the Evangelische Kirche in Billigheim. Offenbach has both a Evangelic and a Catholic Church. There is only one problem finding the marriage church of your Agnes (!?) Hoffmann and David Preisch: The Evangelische Kirche has been built in 1745 and the Katholische Kirche in 1753/54, that meens 15 years after the focused marriage. Best regards Ernst Dierich ----- Original Message ----- From: <Georgiamhh@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] RE: Town of Bellheim, Muhlfofen, > I am interested in how far Bellheim is from Frankfort. I will arrive May 10th. > > My main reason is to locate a Lunteran Church in Billighem that was active in > 1730s when my Philipp Herlas from Mullhoffen was confirmed 1732 at the age of > 15 yrs. Anna Catharina Herlas from Muhlhofen was confirmed 1732 at the age > of 13. They both went to America > Godparents were Jon Wilhelm Vogler and his wife Anna Catharina. > > A.D. 1740 6th of April provided with all sacraments departed Ferdinand > Herles, resident of Muhlhofen, he lies in the cemetery of that place, buried > according to Roman Catholite rites. > > 1738 17. February got married at Offenbach the Honourable young Man Phillipp > Herlass with Miss Anna Margretha Preyschin ("in" is in the female ending of > the name) says from what I am copying. > > David Preisch (Breisch) b. 1686 Offenbach Landau Rheiland Pfalz Germany > married, Anges Hoffman June 27, 1713 died after 1726 (Both were Catholic) > > I want to locate the Catholic Church of the Breisch's. The Lunheran of Philip > Harless. Ferdinand Harless the father of Philip was evidently Catholic. > > After I have joined your nice Web Site, I have received many emails that I > will > never find the graves, but I would love to take pictures of the Churches. > > I will only be in town 3 nights - It would save me lots of time (I do not > speak > German only Texan) IF I knew where these Churches were located. > > Does anyone know if buses or trains goes to any of the above towns? > The Catholic Church in in Offenbach Landau. I have copies of the Church > Records. The Marriage record of Anges Hoffmannin and David Breisch. etc. > > I would appreciate any help that you may have on the Churches, if they are > still > standing and ground transportation. > > Someone from this list had an old German book with my David Preisch's street > address. I will try and find it. > > Regards, > Georgia Hornbuckle > Dallas, TX

Greetings, All, Am seeking possible records at LAMPERSHEIM -- (zip code: 68623) Have a map, and know it's located between Darmstadt and Heidelberg, just slightly west... seeking possible MECHLING/ MAECHLING records from circa 1700 to 1730. If anyone has suggestions for web-searching, in relation to Lampersheim, would be most appreciative! THANKS! and best wishes, Caral MECHLING BENNETT

Is anyone familiar with the community called Hayna? Barbara Gargiulo

Hi everyone! I have a baptismal that gives the fathers occupation as a Sember magistratus Obermaphelenses, Sember could be any of these spellings Sembae or Sencae or senlea or servlae?? Anyone know what this translates to? Thanks Ellen

I am still trying to trace Jacob Tresch, born Grethen, Pfalz, Bayern sometime about 1831. He married Veronica Feurstein but I don't know whether that was in Germany or the US. I know they were in the US in 1858 but I have no idea when they or he got over here. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bernice