Hello You can find one Pfalz Dietz family in the village of Staudernheim, near Bad Kreutznach on the Nahe river, in the 1600-1750 and later time period. Look at Tepper, "New World Immigrants," which you should be able to get via interlibrary loan if it isn't at hand. I am descended from Barbara Dietz, daughter of Nicolaus Dietz of Staudernheim, who married Johann Wilhelm Fey and immigrated to Pennsylvania in 1742, but I know little else of that side of the family. _____________________________ David Foy -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Kaemerer [mailto:towjoe42@wwdb.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:01 PM To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PFALZ] DIETZ Surname, Westfalen & Rhineland-Pfalz, circa 1700s i have some dietz's. do not know anythinh brfore thest events. joe My name is Joseph Kaemerer. I have some Dietz family members who married into my Kaemmerer Family. I litterly do not know anything of the Ancestors or Descendents of Frank Dietz, and would be very interested to obtain more information on that line. All three of the Dietz members who married into the Kaemmerer Family were from the same family. For those with possible connections to the Tony or Adolph Kaemmerer Boys who married Dietz Girls, I can put you in contact with some of their current descendents. I am making my information on this branch of the family available in hopes of making contact with others with common family connections. Sincerely, Joe Joseph Kaemerer P.O. Box 7227 Lincoln Acres, CA 91947 619-475-8736 Alternate Email: towjoe42@yahoo.com towjoe42@juno.com Quixtar-Affiliated-Independent Business Owner (IBO) www.quixtar.com -IBO # 0236154 2/7/00 10:51 PM Descendants of Frank Dietz > > > > > > 1 Frank Dietz 1872 - 1958 > > > .. +Annie Kaemmerer 1869 - 1968 > > > ... 2 Hazel Dietz > > > ... 2 Eve Dietz > > > ... 2 Anton (Tony) Dietz > > > ... 2 Lawrence Dietz > > > ... 2 Adelaide Dietz > > > ... 2 Corinne Dietz > > Descendants of Tony Kaemmerer 1 Tony Kaemmerer 1878 - 1957 .. +Elizabeth (Lizzy) Mary Dietz 1878 - 1966 ..... 2 Burchard (Bert) Kaemmerer ..... 2 Harold (Bud) Kaemmerer ......... +Mary ..... 2 Elda Dorothy Kaemmerer 1910 - ......... +Paul August Brink,Jr March - 1967 ............ 3 Marilyn Jean Brink 1942 - ................ +Charles Wesley Aten II 1943 - ................... 4 Debbie Aten 1968 - ................... 4 Charles Wesley Aten III 1971 - ................... 4 Dorey Aten 1972 - ................... 4 Charles W Aten lll 1971 - ................... 4 Douglas (Doug) Aten 1972 - ............ 3 Paul Roger Brink 1945 - ................ +Susan Rae Schmidthausler ................... 4 Paul Brink Descendants of Adolph (Otto) Kaemmerer 1 Adolph (Otto) KAEMMERER 1882 - b in Missouri . +Mamie DIETZ 1882 - 1966 . 2 Adrian (Ade) KAEMMERER .... +MARY .... 3 Robert "Bob" KAEMMERER . 2 Dolores P. KAEMMERER - 1999 .... +John HALLIBURTON . 2 John "Jack" KAEMMERER .... +DOTTIE . 2 Bill KAEMMERER . 2 Roland KAEMMERER .... +JANE .... 3 Richard KAEMMERER

BZENKE@aol.com schrieb: > Greetings from Virginia, USA > > Need help in determining if the town of Contwig is in Pfalz or Bavaria. Our > Giessen family resided there from the 1700's and are still there but am > wondering if I should be a lister on the Bavarian web rather than this one. I > can tell from reading your messages that someone knows the answer to this. > Thanks for any and all information. Hi Beverly, Contwig is in Pfalz. It is a little bit confusing because Pfalz belonged to Bavaria in former times (see www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz/owner.htm) and FHL is treating the situation from 1870. Best regards -- Fred Krebs fred@krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de/genealogy www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz Tel +49 6353/915200 Fax +49 6353/915201

"Smith, Jillaine" schrieb: > A closer look at the map reveals that Bad Kreuznach is technically not in > Rheinpfalz, but in NiederRhein. > (I looked at this map: > http://www.schleswig-online.de/laninger/Pfalz1818.htm) Hi Jillaine, be careful: The map gives the situation from 1818 => Kreuznach (at those times without Bad) was Niederrhein. It is now Rheinland-Pfalz, the area is called Rheinhessen. And to make it more complicated: FHL is handling the situation in 1870 and this means Kreuznach to be in the Prussian Province Rheinland. > Does anyone on this list know if the Bad Kreuznach church or civil records > (I'm looking for the period 1775-1850 which is NOT on FHL microfilm) would > be in B.K. or would they be somewhere else? I would assume civil records starting somewhere in 1800 to be in Bad Kreuznach. You should have a call to Verbandsgemeindeverwaltung Bad Kreuznach +49 671/910, ask for Standesamt and inquire for the records. Best regards -- Fred Krebs fred@krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de/genealogy www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz Tel +49 6353/915200 Fax +49 6353/915201

i have some dietz's. do not know anythinh brfore thest events. joe My name is Joseph Kaemerer. I have some Dietz family members who married into my Kaemmerer Family. I litterly do not know anything of the Ancestors or Descendents of Frank Dietz, and would be very interested to obtain more information on that line. All three of the Dietz members who married into the Kaemmerer Family were from the same family. For those with possible connections to the Tony or Adolph Kaemmerer Boys who married Dietz Girls, I can put you in contact with some of their current descendents. I am making my information on this branch of the family available in hopes of making contact with others with common family connections. Sincerely, Joe Joseph Kaemerer P.O. Box 7227 Lincoln Acres, CA 91947 619-475-8736 Alternate Email: towjoe42@yahoo.com towjoe42@juno.com Quixtar-Affiliated-Independent Business Owner (IBO) www.quixtar.com -IBO # 0236154 2/7/00 10:51 PM Descendants of Frank Dietz > > > > > > 1 Frank Dietz 1872 - 1958 > > > .. +Annie Kaemmerer 1869 - 1968 > > > ... 2 Hazel Dietz > > > ... 2 Eve Dietz > > > ... 2 Anton (Tony) Dietz > > > ... 2 Lawrence Dietz > > > ... 2 Adelaide Dietz > > > ... 2 Corinne Dietz > > Descendants of Tony Kaemmerer 1 Tony Kaemmerer 1878 - 1957 .. +Elizabeth (Lizzy) Mary Dietz 1878 - 1966 ..... 2 Burchard (Bert) Kaemmerer ..... 2 Harold (Bud) Kaemmerer ......... +Mary ..... 2 Elda Dorothy Kaemmerer 1910 - ......... +Paul August Brink,Jr March - 1967 ............ 3 Marilyn Jean Brink 1942 - ................ +Charles Wesley Aten II 1943 - ................... 4 Debbie Aten 1968 - ................... 4 Charles Wesley Aten III 1971 - ................... 4 Dorey Aten 1972 - ................... 4 Charles W Aten lll 1971 - ................... 4 Douglas (Doug) Aten 1972 - ............ 3 Paul Roger Brink 1945 - ................ +Susan Rae Schmidthausler ................... 4 Paul Brink Descendants of Adolph (Otto) Kaemmerer 1 Adolph (Otto) KAEMMERER 1882 - b in Missouri . +Mamie DIETZ 1882 - 1966 . 2 Adrian (Ade) KAEMMERER .... +MARY .... 3 Robert "Bob" KAEMMERER . 2 Dolores P. KAEMMERER - 1999 .... +John HALLIBURTON . 2 John "Jack" KAEMMERER .... +DOTTIE . 2 Bill KAEMMERER . 2 Roland KAEMMERER .... +JANE .... 3 Richard KAEMMERER

Yes, Gary. I am interested in the details on this book too. Thankyou , Ellen

In a message dated 4/26/2000 6:22:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Quoting (and translating) from Brillmayer's Rheinhessen: >>

I have traced my DIETZ line to the Raubach, Rhineland-Pfalz area around the late 1600's and to the Niederschelden, Siegen, Westfalen area from 1700 on. Is anyone researching the DIETZ surname in either of those areas and times? If so I would really like to explore the possibilities that we might be researching the same line. Thanks. Dereck L. Dietz dietzdl@ameritech.net

Hi Gary. What is Brillmeyer's Rheinhessen? This book sounds very intriguing. What is the area it covers and does it list info on all small towns? How does one look up this information on their own? What reference materials does one need? Thanks in advance for your answer. Valerie Knecht Hoff in Bellevue, WA Researching KNECHT, FAWCETT, OBERTREIS, SCHMIDT, REHBERG, REICHLING, LAMBERT, GLASS, SCHIENE, VOELKER

Hi, Contwig is in the PFALZ near Zweibruecken. Mary Ann BZENKE@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings from Virginia, USA > > Need help in determining if the town of Contwig is in Pfalz or Bavaria. Our > Giessen family resided there from the 1700's and are still there but am > wondering if I should be a lister on the Bavarian web rather than this one. I > can tell from reading your messages that someone knows the answer to this. > Thanks for any and all information. > > Beverly > bzenke@aol.com

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, ich bin neu in dieser Liste und suche nach folgenden Personen : Eva Magdalena KLOCKENER * 31.01.1817 ~ 31.01.1817 in Oberwesel ( Kb. Liebfrauen und St. Martin Pfarrei in Oberwesel katholisch ) Eltern : Peter KLOCKENER , Bäcker Katharina KRAEMER Hat jemand auch diese Personen in seinen Forschungen ? Grüße aus Hamburg Andrea

Greetings from Virginia, USA Need help in determining if the town of Contwig is in Pfalz or Bavaria. Our Giessen family resided there from the 1700's and are still there but am wondering if I should be a lister on the Bavarian web rather than this one. I can tell from reading your messages that someone knows the answer to this. Thanks for any and all information. Beverly bzenke@aol.com

In a message dated 4/26/2000 6:22:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Nathan: Quoting (and translating) from Brillmayer's Rheinhessen: Flomborn: an evangelical Pfardorf in Kreis Alzey had 150 houses and 718 residents of which 207 claimed to be Evangelical and 127 Catholic while 384 belonged to another religious confession [sonstigen Religionsbekenntnisse]. These numbers are from 1900. In 1815, there were 411 residents. Freimersheim: a Catholic Pfardorf in Kreis Alzey where there are 113 houses and 522 residents, of which 380 are Evanglical and 141 Catholic and one another religious confession. In 1815 there were 460 residents. The last time I was in Flomborn, about six years ago, it was still not much more than an intersection with a few buildings, including a church. The countryside however is beautiful, lots of vineyards and wineries. Hope this helps you Gary 25 April 2000 Baltimore >> More than you know. Thanks for all the trouble. Rev. Nathan R. Riley Orange, CA

Nathan: Quoting (and translating) from Brillmayer's Rheinhessen: Flomborn: an evangelical Pfardorf in Kreis Alzey had 150 houses and 718 residents of which 207 claimed to be Evangelical and 127 Catholic while 384 belonged to another religious confession [sonstigen Religionsbekenntnisse]. These numbers are from 1900. In 1815, there were 411 residents. Freimersheim: a Catholic Pfardorf in Kreis Alzey where there are 113 houses and 522 residents, of which 380 are Evanglical and 141 Catholic and one another religious confession. In 1815 there were 460 residents. The last time I was in Flomborn, about six years ago, it was still not much more than an intersection with a few buildings, including a church. The countryside however is beautiful, lots of vineyards and wineries. Hope this helps you Gary 25 April 2000 Baltimore ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: PFALZ-D Digest V00 #144 Date: 04/24/2000 09:20pm

The church records for these towns are at Speyer, Pfalz. This is a big repository for records. If you write to them it must be in German. Have you checked the FHL films for the specific towns? They go back that far for Knittelsheim and are written in Latin/German and the civil records are in French/Latin/German. -- Ed & Gaycha Mayhew Root searching -Martens,Muhl,Wohlenberg,Rueffel,Gardner,Rich On Tuesday, April 25, 2000, muriel schwartz <mdschwar@smig.net> wrote: >Hello; >I am trying to get the addresses of the churches mentioned. Bellheim, >Germersheim and reformed churches in the area. I am looking for the >name of KREMBS now and during 1680-1710. Now to see if any Krembs are >still in the area also and also if back in 1680(when Grfather was born >and to 1710 when he came to NY) I am trying to find his parents. He >was married about 1704 to a Appolonia Lowrance. I do hope someone can >help me. I am so tired of Brick walls. >Thank you all. >Muriel >

Just received email today there are TWO Offenbauch's TWO Landau's the one I need is almost to the border of France in Rheiland Pfalz and not across the River from Frankfort. I should have gone to Stuttgart instead. Better to know now, instead of traveling just to get pictures and never finding anything. Now I will need a Bus to Landau ? Need the addresses of the Catholic and Lutheran Churches: Billigheim, Muhlhofen, Offenbach the Roman Katholische Reformed Church & Germersheim Lutheran Church. Weibenkirechuburg. Surname: Offenbach: David Preisch/ Breisch, Henrich Hoffman, (wifes parents) Billigheim: Harless Roman Katholische Reforrmed Lutheran Church Cemetary married Wilheim Volger daughter Anna Volger m. Ferdinand Harless/Horlos b 1680 Muhflohen Germersheim John Philip Harless and Anna Preisch marry 1738 leave for American on their Honeymoon. Down the Rhine to Holland Winter Galley Ship to PA (guess this is were I became confused with Offenbaugh - The one I need is so small that it is not on any of my maps) Thanks a million to the man who told me this today! Weibenkirechburg: Catherine Moser married John Harless in America - do not have to find this one.

Greetings, fellow Pfalz researchers! I'm leaving soon (May 2) for a trip to Germany; it will include a trip to the Speyer Archives to research some records from the Pfalz. I have already made my appointment, and my lovely German friends have agreed to escort me and translate for me. However, I have learned that the records for Bad Kreuznach are NOT in Speyer. A closer look at the map reveals that Bad Kreuznach is technically not in Rheinpfalz, but in NiederRhein. (I looked at this map: http://www.schleswig-online.de/laninger/Pfalz1818.htm) Does anyone on this list know if the Bad Kreuznach church or civil records (I'm looking for the period 1775-1850 which is NOT on FHL microfilm) would be in B.K. or would they be somewhere else? Is there another list I should be subscribed to for B.K.? :-( Any help you can provide is very much appreciated. Sincerely, Jillaine Smith, Washington DC http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine

It zounds familiar but I don't remember it. I have an ancestor Mary FRANK noted to be from Prussia. In a remote corner of the page someone wrote the individuals name with "Muntz", written below it. Could anyone give an informed opinion of what I may conclude from this unspecific note Danke, devt@web tv

In a message dated 4/25/00 11:23:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jillaine@benton.org writes: << I'm leaving soon (May 2) for a trip to Germany; it will include a trip to the Speyer Archives to research some records from the Pfalz. I have already made my appointment, and my lovely German friends have agreed to escort me and translate for me. >> Jillaine, Sorry I can't help with your question about Bad Kreuznach... I am just learning... and I would love to read about your trip and experience of searching for records in Germany when you return. I hope you will have a good experience and be able to write to us on the list when you return. Margaret

Hello; I am trying to get the addresses of the churches mentioned. Bellheim, Germersheim and reformed churches in the area. I am looking for the name of KREMBS now and during 1680-1710. Now to see if any Krembs are still in the area also and also if back in 1680(when Grfather was born and to 1710 when he came to NY) I am trying to find his parents. He was married about 1704 to a Appolonia Lowrance. I do hope someone can help me. I am so tired of Brick walls. Thank you all. Muriel

Pasrileynr@aol.com schrieb: > Would anyone care to guess the approximate population of these towns? I was > told they are "little towns". Does that mean 10,000 population? 5000? Even > a good guess would be appreciated. Hi Nathan, they are much smaller: Flomborn in 1989 ca. 700 inhabitants Freimersheim in 1989 ca. 440 inhabitants Hope this helps -- Fred Krebs fred@krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de www.krebs-onl.de/genealogy www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz Tel +49 6353/915200 Fax +49 6353/915201