"Robert E. Hausman" <hausman@bio.bu.edu> On: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:35 AM On the subject of: [PFALZ] usefulness of the lists Wrote: >>> This is a follow-up comment on the thread initiated by John Newbright and Joe Metz.It is clear that much activity takes place behind the scenes of this and other lists.<< < ========================== I agree a lot of responses go on behind the scenes. Some list administrators insist on that. I usually only post to the person asking the question myself. If I see a question that I'd like the answer to myself I post to the list also asking for that information to be posted to the list. A lot of information is new to some and old news to others who have been here longer. I guess that I think of these lists as direction finders. When you're stuck and would like an opinion of where to go from here. Or when you run up on something you've never encountered before. Some lists have started an FAQ address for that list and carry it in the tag line for all new beginners to find basis answers. My two cents worth. JFM.

This is a follow-up comment on the thread initiated by John Newbright and Joe Metz. It is clear that much activity takes place behind the scenes of this and other lists. I access the Alsace and Hesse lists as well. Much of this, I know from experience, is helpful to those beginning their investigations. Having only begun seriously investigating genealogy early last Fall, I find myself inundated with requests for data, translations and comments from those in similar situations. On the other hand, it would be helpful to have a stock answer as to where to being along the line suggested by Joe. This could be done by an individual. The Alsace list has one or two such individuals who tell folks about Family History centers, the Family Search site and basic genealogy resources. I am continually amazed by the patience of these people as I could not do it. For the rest of us, I think it is very hit or miss. Once you scratch the surface and dig into Parish records you are largely on your own. The function of the lists is to randomly provide clues to the names of individuals, usually residents of the village being investigated, who have devoted much of their life to cataloging the local records. Unfortunately, it does not happen often. Rob Hausman researching: HAUSMAN/HAUSMANN Kirchheimbolanden/Marnheim/Idstein www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman Professor and Director of Graduate Studies Department of Biology Boston University 5 Cummington Street Boston, Massachusetts 02215 Phone: 617 353-2470 Fax: 617 353-6340

John, I've wondered about this myself. In many ways, it's a crap shoot, although every now and then you do hear of folks getting a hit on something. As for me, I am researching ancestors who came from the village of Insheim, near Landau. I'm researching the names Metz, Karch (or Karg), Buckel, Phalzer, Gerum, Schwein, and Gademann. All are from Insheim until the early 1800's or even, in a couple of families, until the first half of the 1700's. I haven't run into many people with ancestors from Insheim. Joe Metz Cincinnati, OH ---------- > From: John Newbright <lanew1@wesnet.com> > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PFALZ] List activity > Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:34 AM > > Hello > > I have been observing on the sidelines for sometime and would like to make a > comment. Most of the posting , which I have read, are asking questions > specific to an individual ancestor. Very seldom do I see an answer to this > type of question. Are there responses being sent to the individual rather > than the list? > > I also see many questions as to the location of a village, what are > addresses of Archives , etc. These questions are repeated time after time. > The purchase of a basic German research book , a visit to any of the > numerous Germany home pages , a visit to a local LDS library , or a search > of the archives of this list would provide the requested information. > > I am searching the villages of Niederkirchen, Morbach , Hefersweiler , > Heimkirchen and Wörsbach > with an interest in the names GEIB, NEUBRECH(T) ,BACHER and GÖDTEL. I own > books related to this area and will be happy to do look-ups if your ancestor > was from these villages .(No "blind" lookups!) > > Please post any comments or questions to the list. > > Thanks > John >

Hello I have been observing on the sidelines for sometime and would like to make a comment. Most of the posting , which I have read, are asking questions specific to an individual ancestor. Very seldom do I see an answer to this type of question. Are there responses being sent to the individual rather than the list? I also see many questions as to the location of a village, what are addresses of Archives , etc. These questions are repeated time after time. The purchase of a basic German research book , a visit to any of the numerous Germany home pages , a visit to a local LDS library , or a search of the archives of this list would provide the requested information. I am searching the villages of Niederkirchen, Morbach , Hefersweiler , Heimkirchen and Wörsbach with an interest in the names GEIB, NEUBRECH(T) ,BACHER and GÖDTEL. I own books related to this area and will be happy to do look-ups if your ancestor was from these villages .(No "blind" lookups!) Please post any comments or questions to the list. Thanks John

<< Niederkirchen, >> Hello John, I used the LDS films and found some of my MELKUS family living in Niederkirchen after they married in 1832. Then 2 daughters were born in 1833 & 1834. If this is the same town, Niederkirchen, it is north of Otterberg and north of Kaiserslautern. Do you have anything in your books about MELKUS, or the family of Walter or sometimes spelled WALTHER. On my record that I have copied is Franz MELKUS marries Maria Elisabetha Walter 1832-then she died in 1939 and by then Franz moved back to Otterberg (around 1836), &Otterberg seems to be his home town. Have you visited this town of Niederkirchen?

In documenting my KUNTZ ancestors from Bruchweiler (1530-1789), I have been wondering how to describe the area that they lived in. The Rhenish Pfalz shows up frequently in histories on the Web. A 1789 map on Fred Krebs' website shows that Bruchweiler was in the territory of the Freiherr Schenk von Waldenburg (Barony of Schenk from Waldenburg ?). Is one on these more correct than the other? I am not sure if the Elector of the Rhenish Pfalz was like a king and the dukes, counts, barons, etc. served him or whether each was an entity to himself and the Elector just represented them all at voting time. Any enlightenment would be most appreciated. Lowell Kuntz

Actually, the 1992 edition (Picton Press) is the best of the lot. This is the first complete reprint of the Pennsylvania German Society's 1934 edition. It has corrections where a couple ship lists were mislabeled and as opposed to the 1966 edition, it has all the lists, historical background, etc which are in the original ..... including a critique of the mistakes in the Rupp work which is useful when looking at that data. I do not know of the availability in libraries but it's available for purchase .... pricy though ($175 for the three volumes). I've found it well worth it for my personal library. Joe David Foy wrote: > Hello Kay > I highly recommend you use Interlibrary Loan to borrow the > three-volume first edition of Strassburger, Ralph B., "Pennsylvania > German Pioneers: A publication of the original lists of arrivals in > the port of Philadelphia from 1727-1808." The original 3-vol edition > from, I believe 1934, includes a volume containing the passengers' > facsimile signatures; the 1966 reprint by the Geneaological Publishing > Company omits that volume. You already have the relevant passenger > list, apparently, but Strassburger's introductory essays to the three > volumes are full of wonderful information and will answer many of your > questions. > > David Foy > ("Fey" in 1741, according to the passenger list for the snow Molly, > Oct 26 of that year.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kay Rockett [mailto:KayRockett@webtv.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:57 PM > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PFALZ] German Research > > I surely hope you folks are just sitting there, eager to help a newby > who knows absolutely NOTHING about German genealogy but who has just > discovered an ancestor who was a German immigrant!! > > I am SO anxious to learn more about his life in Germany, where he > lived, > who his parents were, etc. > > My eagerly awaited papers arrived today, and I truly believe the > signature on the passenger list and the signature on the will, > although > 40 years apart, were made by the same man. SO!!! His name was Peter > KIEFFER (COOPER in America). I don't know his life span or birth year, > but he died in York Co, PA in 1766. He married Margaretta FRY in PA; > she > was the daughter of John and Dorothea FRY. His children were named > Adam, > Peter, Maria Eva "Eve", and Elizabeth; Adam was the first son. He > arrived in Philadelphia on the Robert And Alice 11 September 1738. The > book that contains this information reads: "At the Courthouse of > Philadelphia, September 11th, 1738. Present The Honourable George > Thomas, Esqr, Lt Gov....The Palatines whose Names are underwritten, > imported in the Ship Robert and Alice, of Dublin, Walter Goodman, > Comr, > from Rotterdam, but last from Dover in England, did this day take and > subscribe the Oaths to the Government." > > Are there records involving immigration that show the names of parents > and/or other pertinent data? ...

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>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:29:53 EDT >From: Mml45@aol.com >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <6.618c903.26544d31@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [PFALZ]Balborn, French Republic >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello all...... > >I am looking for the town of Balborn, or might be Belborn, or >Bolborn. >When Barbara Qahm or Rahm was born in 1805 in Balborn that was part >of the French Republic,,, > >I would like to know where Balborn is today... > >I am reading a marriage record from Otterberg, Germany dated 1840 >and Barbara Rahm is to marry Franz Melkus. > >Could any one let me know more about the location of the French >Republic? >I know that this country exhisted from 1793-1805. > >Thank you >Margaret >Maryland USA Try Baalborn. It is very near Otterberg. I don't see any place names like that in France today. France did control part of Germany around that time. Ken McCrea/McCrea Research, Inc. keeper of the Palatines to America 20 Terrace Avenue Homepage: http://palam.org Stevens, PA 17578 USA author of GermanNames shareware: Ken@GermanNames.com http://GermanNames.com (717) 336-5520

Hello, it is again the old (hi)story. During the Vienna Congress in 1815 nobody wanted the tiny and so poor principality of Birkenfeld. Finaly the Duc of Oldenburg agreed to take the responsibility and the principality Birkenfeld became in 1816 part of the Duchy Oldenburg. After World War II Birkenfeld was integrated into Rheinland-Pfalz. Bergen lays 5 km West of Kirn on the river Nahe. Regards Ernst Dierich ----- Original Message ----- From: <PSpeersch@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:47 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Bergen_town / Risch_family > I am looking for location of town of Bergen. > Here is record I am working with: > > Volume 1 (marriage records) > "(page 8, 1853, entry 17) In preacher's home, in Green Bay on 11 August, > August Speerschneider born in Blankenburg, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt married > Caroline Risch born in Bergen, Fürstenthum Birkenfeld." > > Translated from East Side Moravian Church, Green Bay,Wisconsin by Ellen Marie > Piehl accredited genealogist in 1984 in book named "German Birthplaces of > Green Bay Area Immigrants" > > On 1860 Wisconsin census,Caroline [b.1833 d.1867] is listed as from > Oldenburg. > {I assumed the Duchy of Oldenburg as Birkenfeld was a principality} > > I have been informed from Oldenburg mailing list to look to the southwest > part of Germany. > > Below is town location service answer: > > Subj: Re: _GEO_ > Date: 5/7/00 9:47:51 AM Central Daylight Time > From: geo@genealogy.net > To: PSpeersch@aol.com > > Bergen (b Kirn, Nahe) > GKZ : 07 1 34 006 > County : | | +---- Birkenfeld {BIR} > RegBez : | +------- Koblenz > Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz > ZIP : 55608 > Popul : 459 > Locat : (Birkenfeld) 49d39m N 7d01m E > Maps : TK25 6308 Birkenfeld-West > TK50 L6308 Idar-Oberstein > Euro Ha51 > > Does anybody have info on Bergen and / or Risch family from Bergen? > Caroline was my great,great grandmother[b.1833 d.1867 here in Wisconsin] > Father's name was Peter Risch [b. abt. 1808 in Germany d. Wis. aft 1880] > Mother's name was Elizabeth unknown last name[ b. abt 1790 d. before 1880] > Caroline had a sister here in USA named Dorothy {married to Ludwig Bender} > I think she also had brother named Charles {no positive proof as yet} > > Paul Speerschneider > New Franken,Wisconsin >

Hello all...... I am looking for the town of Balborn, or might be Belborn, or Bolborn. When Barbara Qahm or Rahm was born in 1805 in Balborn that was part of the French Republic,,, I would like to know where Balborn is today... I am reading a marriage record from Otterberg, Germany dated 1840 and Barbara Rahm is to marry Franz Melkus. Could any one let me know more about the location of the French Republic? I know that this country exhisted from 1793-1805. Thank you Margaret Maryland USA

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I am looking for the birth of Christina Rosstaeuscher. I found her death certificate and it states her parents as William and Katherine Spartz Rosstaeuscher. I have found two other Rosstaeuschers that could be her brothers but the parents are George Phillip and Marie Magdaline Spatz. Spatz and Spartz are very close could this be them? I have been unable to pull Christines birth up on the IGI that is online. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks To All, Missy Hetterick

>From: JHetterick@aol.com >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PFALZ] SCHMIDT/ROSSTAEUSCHER > >I am looking for Johannes Schmidt and Christina Rosstaeuscher who were >married November 8, 1866 in Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern. I have been >looking for the name Rosstaeuscher for some time and have tried different >spellings with no luck. Anyone who has seen the name Rosstaeuscher please >email. >Thank You, >Missy Hetterick > Missy, Have you tried your local LDS Family History Center? They have over 50 microfilms of the records of BAD DURKHEIM available from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Go to http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp to see what they have. The online LDS IGI also shows 2 Rosstaeuschers from the city of Bad Durheim, which from the time period, would be the brothers of your Christina. (See http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp) -- mailto:fhheld@freewwweb.com _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

I am looking for location of town of Bergen. Here is record I am working with: Volume 1 (marriage records) "(page 8, 1853, entry 17) In preacher's home, in Green Bay on 11 August, August Speerschneider born in Blankenburg, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt married Caroline Risch born in Bergen, Fürstenthum Birkenfeld." Translated from East Side Moravian Church, Green Bay,Wisconsin by Ellen Marie Piehl accredited genealogist in 1984 in book named "German Birthplaces of Green Bay Area Immigrants" On 1860 Wisconsin census,Caroline [b.1833 d.1867] is listed as from Oldenburg. {I assumed the Duchy of Oldenburg as Birkenfeld was a principality} I have been informed from Oldenburg mailing list to look to the southwest part of Germany. Below is town location service answer: Subj: Re: _GEO_ Date: 5/7/00 9:47:51 AM Central Daylight Time From: geo@genealogy.net To: PSpeersch@aol.com Bergen (b Kirn, Nahe) GKZ : 07 1 34 006 County : | | +---- Birkenfeld {BIR} RegBez : | +------- Koblenz Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz ZIP : 55608 Popul : 459 Locat : (Birkenfeld) 49d39m N 7d01m E Maps : TK25 6308 Birkenfeld-West TK50 L6308 Idar-Oberstein Euro Ha51 Does anybody have info on Bergen and / or Risch family from Bergen? Caroline was my great,great grandmother[b.1833 d.1867 here in Wisconsin] Father's name was Peter Risch [b. abt. 1808 in Germany d. Wis. aft 1880] Mother's name was Elizabeth unknown last name[ b. abt 1790 d. before 1880] Caroline had a sister here in USA named Dorothy {married to Ludwig Bender} I think she also had brother named Charles {no positive proof as yet} Paul Speerschneider New Franken,Wisconsin

I am looking for Johannes Schmidt and Christina Rosstaeuscher who were married November 8, 1866 in Bad Duerkheim, Pfalz, Bayern. I have been looking for the name Rosstaeuscher for some time and have tried different spellings with no luck. Anyone who has seen the name Rosstaeuscher please email. Thank You, Missy Hetterick

I am researching the surname Miller in the city of Dahn any info appreciated. Thanks Bob Miller ramb22@gateway.net

Can anyone tell me if Wollnau has a church to which I could write for records or whether it is part of another parish? I'm looking for Lutheran church records from 1843. Thanks, Nancy homepage: http://home.att.net/~rascalz/genealogy.htm SEARCH my GEDCOM at Rootsweb: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rascalz ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Researching Surnames England - ATKINSON, GLEDHILL (Halifax Yorkshire), TAYLOR (Lanchester, Durham) Germany - DICK, JUNG, ZSCHAU, GRIESBACH, LEIXNER, SCHMITT, SCHMIDT, GILCHER, MAURER, MERCKER, STROBEL, WEBER Connecticut & Massachusetts - BERARD Massachusetts - GAGUE Ireland - O'DONNELL, CANNON, SHEA, VALLELY

Hello, Can anyone tell me the list that covers the Hanover area? In particular I would like to find the name of the King for that area for 1750-1753 time period. Thanks, Dave Sloan Colorado Springs, CO.

Jakob PORTZ b. 1817 (Ruppertsecken) = 1840 Christine EBERLE (b. Steckweiler 1816). (Johann) Phillippe PORTZ b. 1784 = 1813 Sus. Marg. SPIES (1791-1830). Michael PORTZ b. 1737 = Elise Marg. METZ (1747-1833). It is said that the PORTZ name came from early Portuguese immigrants (PORTAS). Trying to find info on that tale. My PORTZ family was later centered in Rockenhausen. Grateful for any links, Larry Koch http://community.webtv.net/LOKoch/LawrenceKochHomePage